Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Hi Eric, Sorry, but I still don't grasp what you want. What is that what you want to tell me or what you want me to tell you ? Werner Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > We haven't seen us for a longer time, nice to contact you again. > > > > To answer your question with what I am left with now is at first > hand > > to meet you again. To see all the other possibilities I simply > have > > not the phantasy for. Maybe you have some more ideas ? > > > > Werner > > e. your answer could be interpreted as rude or as avoidance, i can't > tell, we are too far apart. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > Sorry, but I still don't grasp what you want. What is that what you > want to tell me or what you want me to tell you ? > > Werner e. My friend, would you mind applying some good will at reading the post i addressed to Pete about your topic of " attractiveness " and see if you can make anything of it at all? you can still say " sorry i am not interested " , then we'll step to the next topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Hi Eric, What you exchanged with Pete I am not interested to partake. But I am still interested what is your problem ? Werner Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > Sorry, but I still don't grasp what you want. What is that what > you > > want to tell me or what you want me to tell you ? > > > > Werner > > e. My friend, would you mind applying some good will at reading the > post i addressed to Pete about your topic of " attractiveness " and > see if you can make anything of it at all? > you can still say " sorry i am not interested " , then we'll step to > the next topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 > Hi Eric, > > What you exchanged with Pete I am not interested to partake. But I am > still interested what is your problem ? > > Werner Hi Werner, his penis!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > What you exchanged with Pete I am not interested to partake. But I am > still interested what is your problem ? > > Werner e. Your are so impolite, i'll let you cool off for a day or two then we'll try to communicate again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > > Hi Eric, > > > > What you exchanged with Pete I am not interested to partake. But I > am > > still interested what is your problem ? > > > > Werner > > > > Hi Werner, > > his penis!!! e. What is that guys? is there only vulgarity to communicate? Kip you are the only person ever on the net who told me to " fuck my mother " and we weren't even in a conversation, let alone in a heated conversation ... what's going on Kip, name your issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Hi Eric, Tip: Try to get some material about projection and study it. What does it mean to project ? In addition: You see me as impolite ? Maybe I am not sharing your rules of what means politeness to you. Therefore I very humbly ask you to send me your catalog of rules you own to denote politeness. Is this catalog official or just written to enumerate your private sensibilities ? Werner Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > What you exchanged with Pete I am not interested to partake. But I > am > > still interested what is your problem ? > > > > Werner > > e. Your are so impolite, i'll let you cool off for a day or two then > we'll try to communicate again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 e. What is that guys? is there only vulgarity to communicate? Kip: what's so vulgar about a penis? See? Kip you are the only person ever on the net who told me to " fuck my mother " and we weren't even in a conversation, let alone in a heated conversation Kip: Can't remember that. But, sure, it sounds like me ....what's going on Kip, name your issue? Kip: you named it by yourself. Let's talk about the vulgarity of penises. Would like to hear what a dyed-in-the-wool frenchman has to tell about it. I'm all ears P.S: I liked what you have written the last weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > Tip: Try to get some material about projection and study it. What > does it mean to project ? > > In addition: > You see me as impolite ? Maybe I am not sharing your rules of what > means politeness to you. Therefore I very humbly ask you to send me > your catalog of rules you own to denote politeness. Is this catalog > official or just written to enumerate your private sensibilities ? > > Werner e. ok, as i said i'll give you a break for a day or two. But i don't see why someone would refuse a simple topic or to read another post, i give you this conversation again here below if you feel enclined: Werner: ... These thoughts just are > > > strategies to be attractive, because: The attractive one gets > > shelter > > > within the group, the unattractive one gets kicked into the > garbage > > > can. > > > > > > To be attractive is a survival strategy. There is nothing you can > > do > > > about it besides accepting it. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > e. monolithic, ... many people get a kick out of being the unloved > > one; survival strategies vary according to environment, then a > > neurosis can be anything but survival as it implies an isolation > > from nature and common sense or from the group, and we all have a > > neurosis (masters here present included) ... so what are you left > > with now Werner? > > P: Interesting that you connect neurosis and masters. Would > a psychiatrist examining Ramana, UG, and many other Hindu > sages not consider the syntoms of enlightenment as > psichotic? Would not a person who spends hours in meditation > be considered a scapist, or even somewhat catatonic? > Certainly this people are not lunatic, but would a professional > in the field of mental health consider them the norm? > > So what is neurosis if we all have it? Would not that be normality? e. please note the context, Pete, Werner Woehr says that we are all in quest of attractiveness; i opened up on some diversity... now to connect neurosis and masters, if we can agree that a master (if such entity exists) helps a student to clear the way of fixed views, attitudes, strong opinions, contractions of the soul, unease or desire to die or to conquer the planet (you see what i mean by diversity), ... then we can say that somewhere among those contractions, a high probability of neurosis, a failure to survive in one environement because one cannot adapt fast enough to its changes because one is enclosed in a personal logic that does not fit with the environment/body, or help in anyway. .... sure i'd be glad to help a guy who meditates for three hours a day and tells stories of nirvana and higher realm connected to his practice, .. but this too could be a phase on one's 'work' as it happened to you or me at one time ... a neurosis sticks all life (paranoia, etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > e. What is that guys? is there only vulgarity to communicate? > > > Kip: what's so vulgar about a penis? See? > > Kip you are the only person ever on the net who told me to " fuck my > mother " and we weren't even in a conversation, let alone in a > heated conversation > > Kip: Can't remember that. But, sure, it sounds like me > > > ...what's going on Kip, name your issue? > > > Kip: you named it by yourself. Let's talk about the vulgarity of > penises. Would like to hear what a dyed-in-the-wool frenchman has to > tell about it. I'm all ears > > > P.S: I liked what you have written the last weeks. e. i have followed the bickering exchanges with Pete where you end all messages with the compulsory " LOL " (oh so cool) to show how detached you are from all this. I am only asking to keep insult out of conversations, do you mind this Kip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 > e. i have followed the bickering exchanges with Pete where you end > all messages with the compulsory " LOL " (oh so cool) to show how > detached you are from all this. Kip: Ok, will try to change that. > I am only asking to keep insult out of conversations, do you mind > this Kip? LOL! Really, like always! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Hi Eric, I must repeat it: I am not interested to partake in your exchange with Pete. and I also have to repeat that I do not understand your direct reply to my post about attractiveness, what do you want ? What are you expecting ? What is your point ? I CAN'T SEE IT !!! Werner Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > Tip: Try to get some material about projection and study it. What > > does it mean to project ? > > > > In addition: > > You see me as impolite ? Maybe I am not sharing your rules of what > > means politeness to you. Therefore I very humbly ask you to send > me > > your catalog of rules you own to denote politeness. Is this > catalog > > official or just written to enumerate your private sensibilities ? > > > > Werner > > e. ok, as i said i'll give you a break for a day or two. But i don't > see why someone would refuse a simple topic or to read another post, > i give you this conversation again here below if you feel enclined: > > > Werner: ... These thoughts just are > > > > strategies to be attractive, because: The attractive one gets > > > shelter > > > > within the group, the unattractive one gets kicked into the > > garbage > > > > can. > > > > > > > > To be attractive is a survival strategy. There is nothing you > can > > > do > > > > about it besides accepting it. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > e. monolithic, ... many people get a kick out of being the > unloved > > > one; survival strategies vary according to environment, then a > > > neurosis can be anything but survival as it implies an isolation > > > from nature and common sense or from the group, and we all have > a > > > neurosis (masters here present included) ... so what are you > left > > > with now Werner? > > > > P: Interesting that you connect neurosis and masters. Would > > a psychiatrist examining Ramana, UG, and many other Hindu > > sages not consider the syntoms of enlightenment as > > psichotic? Would not a person who spends hours in meditation > > be considered a scapist, or even somewhat catatonic? > > Certainly this people are not lunatic, but would a professional > > in the field of mental health consider them the norm? > > > > So what is neurosis if we all have it? Would not that be normality? > > e. please note the context, Pete, Werner Woehr says that we are all > in quest of attractiveness; i opened up on some diversity... > now to connect neurosis and masters, if we can agree that a master > (if such entity exists) helps a student to clear the way of fixed > views, attitudes, strong opinions, contractions of the soul, unease > or desire to die or to conquer the planet (you see what i mean by > diversity), ... then we can say that somewhere among those > contractions, a high probability of neurosis, a failure to survive > in one environement because one cannot adapt fast enough to its > changes because one is enclosed in a personal logic that does not > fit with the environment/body, or help in anyway. > ... > sure i'd be glad to help a guy who meditates for three hours a day > and tells stories of nirvana and higher realm connected to his > practice, .. but this too could be a phase on one's 'work' as it > happened to you or me at one time ... a neurosis sticks all life > (paranoia, etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > > e. i have followed the bickering exchanges with Pete where you end > > all messages with the compulsory " LOL " (oh so cool) to show how > > detached you are from all this. > > > Kip: Ok, will try to change that. > > > > I am only asking to keep insult out of conversations, do you mind > > this Kip? > > > LOL! Really, like always! LOL! you and me are so cool about life, suffering and death, just angels in the clouds .... ......BANG! - oh?! what was that? - a 747 buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > I must repeat it: > > I am not interested to partake in your exchange with Pete. and I also > have to repeat that I do not understand your direct reply to my post > about attractiveness, what do you want ? What are you expecting ? > What is your point ? I CAN'T SEE IT !!! > > Werner e. and if i asked you a simple question, in relation to " wanting to be attractive to the group " , would you address it Werner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Fine Eric, Thats a good idea, who wants to be attractive to the group: Just me but not you, Just you but not me, Both, you and me, Both, me and you, None of us because we are either aliens, depressive, totaly drunk, full of pain, panicking, asleep, watching tv, sitting on the loo, reading a book, scratching an itch, etc ... Lets start with me: I love it to be the center of applauding, a love it to win the nobel prize, I love it to be the rising star in the advaita pop scene, etc. Werner Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > I must repeat it: > > > > I am not interested to partake in your exchange with Pete. and I > also > > have to repeat that I do not understand your direct reply to my > post > > about attractiveness, what do you want ? What are you expecting ? > > What is your point ? I CAN'T SEE IT !!! > > > > Werner > > e. and if i asked you a simple question, in relation to " wanting to > be attractive to the group " , would you address it Werner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Fine Eric, > > Thats a good idea, who wants to be attractive to the group: > > Just me but not you, > Just you but not me, > Both, you and me, > Both, me and you, > > None of us because we are either aliens, depressive, totaly drunk, > full of pain, panicking, asleep, watching tv, sitting on the loo, > reading a book, scratching an itch, etc ... > > Lets start with me: > > I love it to be the center of applauding, a love it to win the nobel > prize, I love it to be the rising star in the advaita pop scene, etc. > > Werner e. [applauding] long live Werner! May he prosper and get as many slaves as Kip, to keep him warm in the long winters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > e. What is that guys? is there only vulgarity to communicate? > > > Kip: what's so vulgar about a penis? See? > > Kip you are the only person ever on the net who told me to " fuck my > mother " and we weren't even in a conversation, let alone in a > heated conversation > > Kip: Can't remember that. But, sure, it sounds like me > > > ...what's going on Kip, name your issue? > > > Kip: you named it by yourself. Let's talk about the vulgarity of > penises. Would like to hear what a dyed-in-the-wool frenchman has to > tell about it. I'm all ears > > > P.S: I liked what you have written the last weeks. devi: oh come on, cut the immature behavior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Thanks a lot for your warm welcome and applause, Eric Would you like to be my slave and keep me warm ? I would offer you in return now and then a good Davidoff cigar or the usage of one of my favorite sheep ( I know you are French ). But first it is now your turn to tell me and the group if you to want to be attractive to us ? Werner Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Fine Eric, > > > > Thats a good idea, who wants to be attractive to the group: > > > > Just me but not you, > > Just you but not me, > > Both, you and me, > > Both, me and you, > > > > None of us because we are either aliens, depressive, totaly drunk, > > full of pain, panicking, asleep, watching tv, sitting on the loo, > > reading a book, scratching an itch, etc ... > > > > Lets start with me: > > > > I love it to be the center of applauding, a love it to win the > nobel > > prize, I love it to be the rising star in the advaita pop scene, > etc. > > > > Werner > > e. [applauding] long live Werner! > May he prosper and get as many slaves as Kip, to keep him warm in > the long winters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 devi: i have to ask, does anyone believe that mind control would make the goal of self-realzition go faster....and that all the garbage you discuss is taking you away from the *truth* > Thanks a lot for your warm welcome and applause, Eric > > Would you like to be my slave and keep me warm ? I would offer you in > return now and then a good Davidoff cigar or the usage of one of my > favorite sheep ( I know you are French ). > > But first it is now your turn to tell me and the group if you to want > to be attractive to us ? > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Fine Eric, > > > > > > Thats a good idea, who wants to be attractive to the group: > > > > > > Just me but not you, > > > Just you but not me, > > > Both, you and me, > > > Both, me and you, > > > > > > None of us because we are either aliens, depressive, totaly drunk, > > > full of pain, panicking, asleep, watching tv, sitting on the loo, > > > reading a book, scratching an itch, etc ... > > > > > > Lets start with me: > > > > > > I love it to be the center of applauding, a love it to win the > > nobel > > > prize, I love it to be the rising star in the advaita pop scene, > > etc. > > > > > > Werner > > > > e. [applauding] long live Werner! > > May he prosper and get as many slaves as Kip, to keep him warm in > > the long winters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > devi: i have to ask, does anyone believe that mind control would > make the goal of self-realzition go faster....and that all the > garbage you discuss is taking you away from the *truth* e. possibly an alternance of petty talk and sharp inquiry is good in a group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > devi: i have to ask, does anyone believe that mind control would > make the goal of self-realzition go faster....and that all the > garbage you discuss is taking you away from the *truth* No! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > > > devi: i have to ask, does anyone believe that mind control would > > make the goal of self-realzition go faster....and that all the > > garbage you discuss is taking you away from the *truth* > > e. possibly an alternance of petty talk and sharp inquiry is good in > a group. devi: you have been petty talking and doing sharp inquiry for how long now,,,? and has it gotten you any closer to the state that niz is in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > > > devi: i have to ask, does anyone believe that mind control would > > make the goal of self-realzition go faster....and that all the > > garbage you discuss is taking you away from the *truth* > > > No! devi: k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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