Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Hi Devi, You won't believe but our garbage is much closer to truth than your nose up in the clouds. Werner Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > devi: i have to ask, does anyone believe that mind control would > make the goal of self-realzition go faster....and that all the > garbage you discuss is taking you away from the *truth* > > > > > Thanks a lot for your warm welcome and applause, Eric > > > > Would you like to be my slave and keep me warm ? I would offer you > in > > return now and then a good Davidoff cigar or the usage of one of > my > > favorite sheep ( I know you are French ). > > > > But first it is now your turn to tell me and the group if you to > want > > to be attractive to us ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Fine Eric, > > > > > > > > Thats a good idea, who wants to be attractive to the group: > > > > > > > > Just me but not you, > > > > Just you but not me, > > > > Both, you and me, > > > > Both, me and you, > > > > > > > > None of us because we are either aliens, depressive, totaly > drunk, > > > > full of pain, panicking, asleep, watching tv, sitting on the > loo, > > > > reading a book, scratching an itch, etc ... > > > > > > > > Lets start with me: > > > > > > > > I love it to be the center of applauding, a love it to win the > > > nobel > > > > prize, I love it to be the rising star in the advaita pop > scene, > > > etc. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > e. [applauding] long live Werner! > > > May he prosper and get as many slaves as Kip, to keep him warm > in > > > the long winters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Devi, > > You won't believe but our garbage is much closer to truth than your > nose up in the clouds. > > Werner Amen! The Steps to maturity. 1)Believe what you are told (by Parents) 2) Believe there is good and bad. 3) Understand you will be rewarded for good and punished for bad. 4) Mold your behaviour toward reward. 5) Question authority 6) Set your own priorities and beliefs 7) Question your priorities and beliefs 8) see thru good and bad 9) See how the reward and punishment system keeps illusion alive. 10) know your shit, work on your shit. 11) There is no 11. We will work on 10 till we die. ) Pete > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Devi, > > You won't believe but our garbage is much closer to truth than your > nose up in the clouds. > > Werner devi: and you will know that how? > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > > > devi: i have to ask, does anyone believe that mind control would > > make the goal of self-realzition go faster....and that all the > > garbage you discuss is taking you away from the *truth* > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your warm welcome and applause, Eric > > > > > > Would you like to be my slave and keep me warm ? I would offer > you > > in > > > return now and then a good Davidoff cigar or the usage of one of > > my > > > favorite sheep ( I know you are French ). > > > > > > But first it is now your turn to tell me and the group if you to > > want > > > to be attractive to us ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@p...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Fine Eric, > > > > > > > > > > Thats a good idea, who wants to be attractive to the group: > > > > > > > > > > Just me but not you, > > > > > Just you but not me, > > > > > Both, you and me, > > > > > Both, me and you, > > > > > > > > > > None of us because we are either aliens, depressive, totaly > > drunk, > > > > > full of pain, panicking, asleep, watching tv, sitting on the > > loo, > > > > > reading a book, scratching an itch, etc ... > > > > > > > > > > Lets start with me: > > > > > > > > > > I love it to be the center of applauding, a love it to win > the > > > > nobel > > > > > prize, I love it to be the rising star in the advaita pop > > scene, > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > e. [applauding] long live Werner! > > > > May he prosper and get as many slaves as Kip, to keep him warm > > in > > > > the long winters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Devi, > > > > You won't believe but our garbage is much closer to truth than your > > nose up in the clouds. > > > > Werner > > Amen! > > The Steps to maturity. > > 1)Believe what you are told (by Parents) > > 2) Believe there is good and bad. > > 3) Understand you will be rewarded for good and punished for bad. > > 4) Mold your behaviour toward reward. > > 5) Question authority > > 6) Set your own priorities and beliefs > > 7) Question your priorities and beliefs > > 8) see thru good and bad > > 9) See how the reward and punishment system keeps illusion alive. > > 10) know your shit, work on your shit. > > 11) There is no 11. We will work on 10 till we die. ) > > Pete > devi: that's right,,feed them more nonsence to process...> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Hi Devi, Seriously, what is closer to truth: Your longing for that state Niz was in or your daily life with all its pleasures, conflicts, pains, etc ? Niz so often emphasised the importance to understand oneself. but can you understand yourself as long as you are feeling contempt about yourself, not wanting to look at yourself ? You see, the contempt you feel about our " garbage " here reflects the very contempt you feel about yourself. If you could learn to accept yourself you also would accpet anyone's way here on the list to be genuine and this being genuine is what you feel contempt for, right ? When you turn your back against what you are then you cannot learn anything about yourself. Werner Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Devi, > > > > You won't believe but our garbage is much closer to truth than your > > nose up in the clouds. > > > > Werner > > > devi: and you will know that how? > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > > wrote: > > > > > > devi: i have to ask, does anyone believe that mind control would > > > make the goal of self-realzition go faster....and that all the > > > garbage you discuss is taking you away from the *truth* > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your warm welcome and applause, Eric > > > > > > > > Would you like to be my slave and keep me warm ? I would offer > > you > > > in > > > > return now and then a good Davidoff cigar or the usage of one > of > > > my > > > > favorite sheep ( I know you are French ). > > > > > > > > But first it is now your turn to tell me and the group if you > to > > > want > > > > to be attractive to us ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > <wwoehr@p...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine Eric, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats a good idea, who wants to be attractive to the group: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just me but not you, > > > > > > Just you but not me, > > > > > > Both, you and me, > > > > > > Both, me and you, > > > > > > > > > > > > None of us because we are either aliens, depressive, > totaly > > > drunk, > > > > > > full of pain, panicking, asleep, watching tv, sitting on > the > > > loo, > > > > > > reading a book, scratching an itch, etc ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets start with me: > > > > > > > > > > > > I love it to be the center of applauding, a love it to win > > the > > > > > nobel > > > > > > prize, I love it to be the rising star in the advaita pop > > > scene, > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > e. [applauding] long live Werner! > > > > > May he prosper and get as many slaves as Kip, to keep him > warm > > > in > > > > > the long winters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Hi Devi, Seriously, what is closer to truth: Your longing for that state Niz > was in or your daily life with all its pleasures, conflicts, pains, > etc ? devi: i don't long for the state niz was in... > Niz so often emphasised the importance to understand oneself. but can you understand yourself as long as you are feeling contempt about yourself, not wanting to look at yourself ? devi: you seem to be assessing my degree of spiritual developement here..from a few simple coments i've made.... > > You see, the contempt you feel about our " garbage " here reflects the very contempt you feel about yourself. devi: If you could learn to accept yourself you also would accpet anyone's way here on the list to be genuine and this being genuine is what you feel contempt for, right ? devi: why not keep your thoughts on your *I Am* rather then trying to figure me out.... > > When you turn your back against what you are then you cannot learn > anything about yourself. > > Werner devi: every minute is a revelation about myself. some more important then others...the revelation of the Supreme Being and not the identity created is what i prefer to face.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Hi Devi, Your Supreme Being is same shit as you are. Werner Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > Hi Devi, > Seriously, what is closer to truth: Your longing for that state Niz > > was in or your daily life with all its pleasures, conflicts, > pains, > > etc ? > > > devi: i don't long for the state niz was in... > > Niz so often emphasised the importance to understand oneself. but > can you understand yourself as long as you are feeling contempt > about yourself, not wanting to look at yourself ? > devi: you seem to be assessing my degree of spiritual developement > here..from a few simple coments i've made.... > > > > You see, the contempt you feel about our " garbage " here reflects > the very contempt you feel about yourself. > > devi: > > > If you could learn to accept yourself you also would accpet > anyone's way here on the list to be genuine and this being genuine > is what you feel contempt for, right ? > > devi: why not keep your thoughts on your *I Am* rather then trying > to figure me out.... > > > > When you turn your back against what you are then you cannot learn > > anything about yourself. > > > > Werner > > devi: every minute is a revelation about myself. some more important > then others...the revelation of the Supreme Being and not the > identity created is what i prefer to face.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Devi, > > Your Supreme Being is same shit as you are. > > Werner devi: and i suppose if you were in a satsqng with nisargadatta you would tell him the same thing? what are you doing in a nisargadatta club? if you think that the Supreme Being is shit > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Devi, > > Seriously, what is closer to truth: Your longing for that state > Niz > > > was in or your daily life with all its pleasures, conflicts, > > pains, > > > etc ? > > > > > > devi: i don't long for the state niz was in... > > > Niz so often emphasised the importance to understand oneself. but > > can you understand yourself as long as you are feeling contempt > > about yourself, not wanting to look at yourself ? > > devi: you seem to be assessing my degree of spiritual developement > > here..from a few simple coments i've made.... > > > > > > You see, the contempt you feel about our " garbage " here reflects > > the very contempt you feel about yourself. > > > > devi: > > > > > > If you could learn to accept yourself you also would accpet > > anyone's way here on the list to be genuine and this being genuine > > is what you feel contempt for, right ? > > > > devi: why not keep your thoughts on your *I Am* rather then trying > > to figure me out.... > > > > > > When you turn your back against what you are then you cannot > learn > > > anything about yourself. > > > > > > Werner > > > > devi: every minute is a revelation about myself. some more > important > > then others...the revelation of the Supreme Being and not the > > identity created is what i prefer to face.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Devi, First you hide behind your laughable Supreme Being and now behind poor Niz. Why can't you just stand allone and accept what you are: Shit ... Werner Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Devi, > > > > Your Supreme Being is same shit as you are. > > > > Werner > > devi: and i suppose if you were in a satsqng with nisargadatta you > would tell him the same thing? what are you doing in a nisargadatta > club? if you think that the Supreme Being is shit > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Devi, > > > Seriously, what is closer to truth: Your longing for that state > > Niz > > > > was in or your daily life with all its pleasures, conflicts, > > > pains, > > > > etc ? > > > > > > > > > devi: i don't long for the state niz was in... > > > > Niz so often emphasised the importance to understand oneself. > but > > > can you understand yourself as long as you are feeling contempt > > > about yourself, not wanting to look at yourself ? > > > devi: you seem to be assessing my degree of spiritual > developement > > > here..from a few simple coments i've made.... > > > > > > > > You see, the contempt you feel about our " garbage " here > reflects > > > the very contempt you feel about yourself. > > > > > > devi: > > > > > > > > > If you could learn to accept yourself you also would accpet > > > anyone's way here on the list to be genuine and this being > genuine > > > is what you feel contempt for, right ? > > > > > > devi: why not keep your thoughts on your *I Am* rather then > trying > > > to figure me out.... > > > > > > > > When you turn your back against what you are then you cannot > > learn > > > > anything about yourself. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > devi: every minute is a revelation about myself. some more > > important > > > then others...the revelation of the Supreme Being and not the > > > identity created is what i prefer to face.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Devi, > > First you hide behind your laughable Supreme Being and now behind > poor Niz. Why can't you just stand allone and accept what you are: > Shit ... > > Werner devi: my 16 year old is more mature then you, asshole > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Devi, > > > > > > Your Supreme Being is same shit as you are. > > > > > > Werner > > > > devi: and i suppose if you were in a satsqng with nisargadatta you > > would tell him the same thing? what are you doing in a > nisargadatta > > club? if you think that the Supreme Being is shit > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Devi, > > > > Seriously, what is closer to truth: Your longing for that > state > > > Niz > > > > > was in or your daily life with all its pleasures, conflicts, > > > > pains, > > > > > etc ? > > > > > > > > > > > > devi: i don't long for the state niz was in... > > > > > Niz so often emphasised the importance to understand oneself. > > but > > > > can you understand yourself as long as you are feeling > contempt > > > > about yourself, not wanting to look at yourself ? > > > > devi: you seem to be assessing my degree of spiritual > > developement > > > > here..from a few simple coments i've made.... > > > > > > > > > > You see, the contempt you feel about our " garbage " here > > reflects > > > > the very contempt you feel about yourself. > > > > > > > > devi: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you could learn to accept yourself you also would accpet > > > > anyone's way here on the list to be genuine and this being > > genuine > > > > is what you feel contempt for, right ? > > > > > > > > devi: why not keep your thoughts on your *I Am* rather then > > trying > > > > to figure me out.... > > > > > > > > > > When you turn your back against what you are then you cannot > > > learn > > > > > anything about yourself. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > devi: every minute is a revelation about myself. some more > > > important > > > > then others...the revelation of the Supreme Being and not the > > > > identity created is what i prefer to face.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 devi: here a picture of the schmuck we are dealing with http://profiles./wwoehr if this link doesn't work click on his id your emotional developement must have stopped in junior high school, eh? devi-------------> laughing Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Devi, > > > > First you hide behind your laughable Supreme Being and now behind > > poor Niz. Why can't you just stand allone and accept what you are: > > Shit ... > > > > Werner > > devi: my 16 year old is more mature then you, asshole > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Devi, > > > > > > > > Your Supreme Being is same shit as you are. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > devi: and i suppose if you were in a satsqng with nisargadatta > you > > > would tell him the same thing? what are you doing in a > > nisargadatta > > > club? if you think that the Supreme Being is shit > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " > <polansky@m...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Devi, > > > > > Seriously, what is closer to truth: Your longing for that > > state > > > > Niz > > > > > > was in or your daily life with all its pleasures, > conflicts, > > > > > pains, > > > > > > etc ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devi: i don't long for the state niz was in... > > > > > > Niz so often emphasised the importance to understand > oneself. > > > but > > > > > can you understand yourself as long as you are feeling > > contempt > > > > > about yourself, not wanting to look at yourself ? > > > > > devi: you seem to be assessing my degree of spiritual > > > developement > > > > > here..from a few simple coments i've made.... > > > > > > > > > > > > You see, the contempt you feel about our " garbage " here > > > reflects > > > > > the very contempt you feel about yourself. > > > > > > > > > > devi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you could learn to accept yourself you also would > accpet > > > > > anyone's way here on the list to be genuine and this being > > > genuine > > > > > is what you feel contempt for, right ? > > > > > > > > > > devi: why not keep your thoughts on your *I Am* rather then > > > trying > > > > > to figure me out.... > > > > > > > > > > > > When you turn your back against what you are then you > cannot > > > > learn > > > > > > anything about yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > devi: every minute is a revelation about myself. some more > > > > important > > > > > then others...the revelation of the Supreme Being and not > the > > > > > identity created is what i prefer to face.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Hi Devi, You are 16 years old, no joke ? Not bad .. you are a good fighter. Werner Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Devi, > > > > First you hide behind your laughable Supreme Being and now behind > > poor Niz. Why can't you just stand allone and accept what you are: > > Shit ... > > > > Werner > > devi: my 16 year old is more mature then you, asshole > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Devi, > > > > > > > > Your Supreme Being is same shit as you are. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > devi: and i suppose if you were in a satsqng with nisargadatta > you > > > would tell him the same thing? what are you doing in a > > nisargadatta > > > club? if you think that the Supreme Being is shit > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " > <polansky@m...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Devi, > > > > > Seriously, what is closer to truth: Your longing for that > > state > > > > Niz > > > > > > was in or your daily life with all its pleasures, > conflicts, > > > > > pains, > > > > > > etc ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devi: i don't long for the state niz was in... > > > > > > Niz so often emphasised the importance to understand > oneself. > > > but > > > > > can you understand yourself as long as you are feeling > > contempt > > > > > about yourself, not wanting to look at yourself ? > > > > > devi: you seem to be assessing my degree of spiritual > > > developement > > > > > here..from a few simple coments i've made.... > > > > > > > > > > > > You see, the contempt you feel about our " garbage " here > > > reflects > > > > > the very contempt you feel about yourself. > > > > > > > > > > devi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you could learn to accept yourself you also would > accpet > > > > > anyone's way here on the list to be genuine and this being > > > genuine > > > > > is what you feel contempt for, right ? > > > > > > > > > > devi: why not keep your thoughts on your *I Am* rather then > > > trying > > > > > to figure me out.... > > > > > > > > > > > > When you turn your back against what you are then you > cannot > > > > learn > > > > > > anything about yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > devi: every minute is a revelation about myself. some more > > > > important > > > > > then others...the revelation of the Supreme Being and not > the > > > > > identity created is what i prefer to face.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Devi, > > You are 16 years old, no joke ? Not bad .. you are a good fighter. > > Werner devi: no you are and thank you for the compliment....smiles > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Devi, > > > > > > First you hide behind your laughable Supreme Being and now behind > > > poor Niz. Why can't you just stand allone and accept what you > are: > > > Shit ... > > > > > > Werner > > > > devi: my 16 year old is more mature then you, asshole > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@p...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Devi, > > > > > > > > > > Your Supreme Being is same shit as you are. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > devi: and i suppose if you were in a satsqng with nisargadatta > > you > > > > would tell him the same thing? what are you doing in a > > > nisargadatta > > > > club? if you think that the Supreme Being is shit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " > > <polansky@m...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Devi, > > > > > > Seriously, what is closer to truth: Your longing for that > > > state > > > > > Niz > > > > > > > was in or your daily life with all its pleasures, > > conflicts, > > > > > > pains, > > > > > > > etc ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devi: i don't long for the state niz was in... > > > > > > > Niz so often emphasised the importance to understand > > oneself. > > > > but > > > > > > can you understand yourself as long as you are feeling > > > contempt > > > > > > about yourself, not wanting to look at yourself ? > > > > > > devi: you seem to be assessing my degree of spiritual > > > > developement > > > > > > here..from a few simple coments i've made.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You see, the contempt you feel about our " garbage " here > > > > reflects > > > > > > the very contempt you feel about yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > devi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you could learn to accept yourself you also would > > accpet > > > > > > anyone's way here on the list to be genuine and this being > > > > genuine > > > > > > is what you feel contempt for, right ? > > > > > > > > > > > > devi: why not keep your thoughts on your *I Am* rather then > > > > trying > > > > > > to figure me out.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you turn your back against what you are then you > > cannot > > > > > learn > > > > > > > anything about yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > devi: every minute is a revelation about myself. some more > > > > > important > > > > > > then others...the revelation of the Supreme Being and not > > the > > > > > > identity created is what i prefer to face.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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