Fw: Nothing ever happened or ever will

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Dear List,

 

This quote was posted some time ago from

another list. May interest some of you

either way...

 

>Nothing ever happened or ever will. You

>have always been perfect Love and Peace.

>What changes is not real and what is Real

>cannot change. You are that Secret, that

>Purity beyond change and description, but

>if you touch the " I " you become polluted with

>pride. The " I " rising from the effort of ego is

>not the real " I. " The real " I " knows that every-

>thing is my reflection-projection. Simply

>knowing " I AM I AM " is effortlessness, is

>meditation, and is Sahaja, the natural state

>of Being.

>

>

- Papaji

> " The Truth Is "

> Sri H.W.L. Poonja

> Yudhishtara, 1995

 

Several things are erroneous and misleading with

this statement, in my book.

 

The real has been referred to from the classical

Advaitic standpoint(as if it can be defined)...as

something 'permanent'...as if that can be

experienced...and that is why Tantra it's counterpart

emerged from the same Indian culture in order to

counteract and ridicule some of these Advaitic ideals.

 

 

This radical school introduced the concept of

" Shakti " ...movement, change, creativity, power

to compliment the idea of " Shiva " (or " Atman " or

" Purusha " ) the changeless.

 

Some of these advaitic sages appeared to me as

" impotent " dead rascals, cowards stuck to one pole or

aspect of reality...running into caves, afraid of the

consequences of facing the realities of functional

living. Maybe this is the reason why modern India was

thrown into retrograde... following this line of

Advaitic thinking.

 

 

According to the dialetics of Nagarjuna, Truth or

Reality is not just " Static " or exclusively

" Transcedental " but is " Immanent " and paradoxically

includes this " Movement " that cannot be captured or

experienced by the individual thought structure.

 

Secondly, Papaji erroneously implies that " I am " is

the natural state. According to Nisargadatta's

Advaitic-Tantric view, the natural state is " That "

which cannot be known(or prior to the " I am " ) and in

which which the sense of " I am " arises...as waves are

forever arising in the silent ocean.

 

-dave

 

 

 

 

 

 

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