Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Shawn " <shawnregan> wrote: > > > > > How can you be absolutely sure your body will die when you have > > not > > > experienced that yourself??? What many sages say may be true: the > > > world is in you, not you in the world. Maybe the human body is > > > indestructible and only a shape-shifting package of information in > > an > > > infinite timeless matrix of awareness. Scientists say that the > > body is > > > made out of atoms, but also that atoms are neither particles nor > > > waves. See the confusion? Observation creates reality. Who is the > > > observer? > > > > Anders, > > > > I had a slight shift into that state yesterday. I had the best day > > on about a month and my mind was much more free than my condition > > has allowed for a while. It's amazing how one doesn't know that one > > is in a restrictuve box until the box is removed (perhaps for a > > bigger box) then the remembrance of the larger box comes and one is > > sad and happy at the same time for knowing what was lost which now > > is found but for how long. > > > > Shawn > > Hi Shawn, > > I have myself noticed more clarity and a lessening of anxiety which > has been an opening up of the box a little. Although I must admit that > I am waiting for a total shattering of the box altogether. My mind > still feels like a prison. > > /AL Your waiting is actually a technique to avoid that truth that already is the case. In which nothing has a separated existence which could be shattered. And this is shattering to the attempt to have an existence. Such as the existence of a being that could be noticing more clarity and waiting to be shattered. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Shawn " <shawnregan> > wrote: > > > > > > > How can you be absolutely sure your body will die when you have > > > not > > > > experienced that yourself??? What many sages say may be true: > the > > > > world is in you, not you in the world. Maybe the human body is > > > > indestructible and only a shape-shifting package of information > in > > > an > > > > infinite timeless matrix of awareness. Scientists say that the > > > body is > > > > made out of atoms, but also that atoms are neither particles > nor > > > > waves. See the confusion? Observation creates reality. Who is > the > > > > observer? > > > > > > Anders, > > > > > > I had a slight shift into that state yesterday. I had the best > day > > > on about a month and my mind was much more free than my condition > > > has allowed for a while. It's amazing how one doesn't know that > one > > > is in a restrictuve box until the box is removed (perhaps for a > > > bigger box) then the remembrance of the larger box comes and one > is > > > sad and happy at the same time for knowing what was lost which > now > > > is found but for how long. > > > > > > Shawn > > > > Hi Shawn, > > > > I have myself noticed more clarity and a lessening of anxiety which > > has been an opening up of the box a little. Although I must admit > that > > I am waiting for a total shattering of the box altogether. My mind > > still feels like a prison. > > > > /AL > > Your waiting is actually a technique to avoid that truth > that already is the case. In which nothing has a separated > existence which could be shattered. And this is shattering > to the attempt to have an existence. Such as the existence > of a being that could be noticing more clarity and waiting > to be shattered. > > -- Dan But I have no choice but to wait. I know it's horrible. Trying to stop waiting, that would itself be a form of waiting too. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Shawn " <shawnregan> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > How can you be absolutely sure your body will die when you > have > > > > not > > > > > experienced that yourself??? What many sages say may be true: > > the > > > > > world is in you, not you in the world. Maybe the human body is > > > > > indestructible and only a shape-shifting package of > information > > in > > > > an > > > > > infinite timeless matrix of awareness. Scientists say that the > > > > body is > > > > > made out of atoms, but also that atoms are neither particles > > nor > > > > > waves. See the confusion? Observation creates reality. Who is > > the > > > > > observer? > > > > > > > > Anders, > > > > > > > > I had a slight shift into that state yesterday. I had the best > > day > > > > on about a month and my mind was much more free than my > condition > > > > has allowed for a while. It's amazing how one doesn't know that > > one > > > > is in a restrictuve box until the box is removed (perhaps for a > > > > bigger box) then the remembrance of the larger box comes and one > > is > > > > sad and happy at the same time for knowing what was lost which > > now > > > > is found but for how long. > > > > > > > > Shawn > > > > > > Hi Shawn, > > > > > > I have myself noticed more clarity and a lessening of anxiety > which > > > has been an opening up of the box a little. Although I must admit > > that > > > I am waiting for a total shattering of the box altogether. My mind > > > still feels like a prison. > > > > > > /AL > > > > Your waiting is actually a technique to avoid that truth > > that already is the case. In which nothing has a separated > > existence which could be shattered. And this is shattering > > to the attempt to have an existence. Such as the existence > > of a being that could be noticing more clarity and waiting > > to be shattered. > > > > -- Dan > > But I have no choice but to wait. I know it's horrible. Trying to stop > waiting, that would itself be a form of waiting too. :-( P: Why do you bother to answer? you didn't understand a word he said. You don't want to understand. You only want to keep talking to yourself to reassure yourself you exist. Well, you don't! And that body that gives you the illusion you are, is going to die soon. So, now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Shawn " <shawnregan> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > How can you be absolutely sure your body will die when you > > have > > > > > not > > > > > > experienced that yourself??? What many sages say may be > true: > > > the > > > > > > world is in you, not you in the world. Maybe the human body > is > > > > > > indestructible and only a shape-shifting package of > > information > > > in > > > > > an > > > > > > infinite timeless matrix of awareness. Scientists say that > the > > > > > body is > > > > > > made out of atoms, but also that atoms are neither > particles > > > nor > > > > > > waves. See the confusion? Observation creates reality. Who > is > > > the > > > > > > observer? > > > > > > > > > > Anders, > > > > > > > > > > I had a slight shift into that state yesterday. I had the > best > > > day > > > > > on about a month and my mind was much more free than my > > condition > > > > > has allowed for a while. It's amazing how one doesn't know > that > > > one > > > > > is in a restrictuve box until the box is removed (perhaps for > a > > > > > bigger box) then the remembrance of the larger box comes and > one > > > is > > > > > sad and happy at the same time for knowing what was lost > which > > > now > > > > > is found but for how long. > > > > > > > > > > Shawn > > > > > > > > Hi Shawn, > > > > > > > > I have myself noticed more clarity and a lessening of anxiety > > which > > > > has been an opening up of the box a little. Although I must > admit > > > that > > > > I am waiting for a total shattering of the box altogether. My > mind > > > > still feels like a prison. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > Your waiting is actually a technique to avoid that truth > > > that already is the case. In which nothing has a separated > > > existence which could be shattered. And this is shattering > > > to the attempt to have an existence. Such as the existence > > > of a being that could be noticing more clarity and waiting > > > to be shattered. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > But I have no choice but to wait. I know it's horrible. Trying to > stop > > waiting, that would itself be a form of waiting too. :-( > > P: Why do you bother to answer? you didn't understand a word > he said. You don't want to understand. You only want to > keep talking to yourself to reassure yourself you exist. > Well, you don't! And that body that gives you the illusion > you are, is going to die soon. So, now what? A: I answer because that's what is happening, and I assume my body will take care of itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > Your waiting is actually a technique to avoid that truth > > > > that already is the case. In which nothing has a separated > > > > existence which could be shattered. And this is shattering > > > > to the attempt to have an existence. Such as the existence > > > > of a being that could be noticing more clarity and waiting > > > > to be shattered. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > But I have no choice but to wait. I know it's horrible. Trying to > > stop > > > waiting, that would itself be a form of waiting too. :-( > > > > P: Why do you bother to answer? you didn't understand a word > > he said. You don't want to understand. You only want to > > keep talking to yourself to reassure yourself you exist. > > Well, you don't! And that body that gives you the illusion > > you are, is going to die soon. So, now what? > > A: I answer because that's what is happening, and I assume my body > will take care of itself. P: All your assumptions and speculations are bullshit. The only honest thing you got is fear. Shut up and stay with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > Your waiting is actually a technique to avoid that truth > > > > > that already is the case. In which nothing has a separated > > > > > existence which could be shattered. And this is shattering > > > > > to the attempt to have an existence. Such as the existence > > > > > of a being that could be noticing more clarity and waiting > > > > > to be shattered. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > But I have no choice but to wait. I know it's horrible. Trying > to > > > stop > > > > waiting, that would itself be a form of waiting too. :-( > > > > > > P: Why do you bother to answer? you didn't understand a word > > > he said. You don't want to understand. You only want to > > > keep talking to yourself to reassure yourself you exist. > > > Well, you don't! And that body that gives you the illusion > > > you are, is going to die soon. So, now what? > > > > A: I answer because that's what is happening, and I assume my body > > will take care of itself. > > P: All your assumptions and speculations are bullshit. The only honest > thing you got is fear. Shut up and stay with it. A: How? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > Your waiting is actually a technique to avoid that truth > > > > > > that already is the case. In which nothing has a > separated > > > > > > existence which could be shattered. And this is > shattering > > > > > > to the attempt to have an existence. Such as the > existence > > > > > > of a being that could be noticing more clarity and waiting > > > > > > to be shattered. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > But I have no choice but to wait. I know it's horrible. Trying > > to > > > > stop > > > > > waiting, that would itself be a form of waiting too. :-( > > > > > > > > P: Why do you bother to answer? you didn't understand a word > > > > he said. You don't want to understand. You only want to > > > > keep talking to yourself to reassure yourself you exist. > > > > Well, you don't! And that body that gives you the illusion > > > > you are, is going to die soon. So, now what? > > > > > > A: I answer because that's what is happening, and I assume my body > > > will take care of itself. > > > > P: All your assumptions and speculations are bullshit. The only > honest > > thing you got is fear. Shut up and stay with it. > > A: How? See! more avoidance. There is no how to pay attention. Just do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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