Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> > wrote: > And it's this self who makes meaning of things that is > to be inquired into -- when one is ready for inquiry. There is no self and no-one ready for inquiry, just some thoughts or, if you prefer: some letters on the computer screen. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > These words you presented may represent a process of which > you're aware. > > But no one else is aware of this the way you are, directly. > Once this is clear, inquiry goes into the nature of " immediacy. " > > What is this of which I alone am being aware, immediately, > with no other involved in the being-aware? > > Indeed, it isn't even awareness, let alone something of which to > be aware. > > It isn't things, or people, or time. > > There is, therefore, nothing born here and therefore > nothing to die -- > > All constituted things and beings have no part to play > in this -- as this is not conceptualizable. > > This immediacy of no name, of neither me nor you, > is the resolution of all human conflicts and problems. > > Simply because neither human selves, consciousnesses, > nor things have any hold here. > > This is peace which has no name. > > There is no movement toward this, nor away from this. > > -- Dan This is how it seems to you now, because this is the doctrine you wish to believe. The movie you're watching incorporates the image of no image, the conceptualisation of not conceptualizable. This is still the screen you see. The best way to realize it, is to feel your ass sitting on the chair ;-) How does it feel? Not in words, but directly? Where is the non conceptualizable when you don't think nor talk about it? Is your ass still there when the non nonceptualizable is not? ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > <lissbon2002> > > wrote: > > > > And it's this self who makes meaning of things that is > > to be inquired into -- when one is ready for inquiry. > > > There is no self and no-one ready for inquiry, just some thoughts or, > if you prefer: some letters on the computer screen. > > > Len Only if that's true in your first-hand experience, Len. And your tendency to want to duel and have come-backs belies that awareness. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > > > These words you presented may represent a process of which > > you're aware. > > > > But no one else is aware of this the way you are, directly. > > > Once this is clear, inquiry goes into the nature of " immediacy. " > > > > What is this of which I alone am being aware, immediately, > > with no other involved in the being-aware? > > > > Indeed, it isn't even awareness, let alone something of which to > > be aware. > > > > It isn't things, or people, or time. > > > > There is, therefore, nothing born here and therefore > > nothing to die -- > > > > All constituted things and beings have no part to play > > in this -- as this is not conceptualizable. > > > > This immediacy of no name, of neither me nor you, > > is the resolution of all human conflicts and problems. > > > > Simply because neither human selves, consciousnesses, > > nor things have any hold here. > > > > This is peace which has no name. > > > > There is no movement toward this, nor away from this. > > > > -- Dan > > > This is how it seems to you now, because this is the doctrine you > wish to believe. No, Len. You're utterly wrong about that. But if it serves you to believe that, and maintain that image, by all means, have at it. > The movie you're watching incorporates the image of no image, the > conceptualisation of not conceptualizable. > This is still the screen you see. Wrong again. But if that image of me watching a movie suits you, enjoy watching it. As long as you believe you can. And as long as the image of you being able to believe still makes sense to you. > The best way to realize it, is to feel your ass sitting on the > chair ;-) > How does it feel? Not in words, but directly? Again, wrong. There is no " best way. " But, enjoy your movie in which you know the best way, as long as you can keep it going. > Where is the non conceptualizable when you don't think nor talk about > it? The whole idea of a " where " for the nonconceptualizable is misguided. > Is your ass still there when the non nonceptualizable is not? ;-) Your word-games are quite mismanaged. There is no " is " and " is not " for the nonconceptualizable. But, feel free to listen to your ass on the chair as it tells you something significant about a nonconceptualizable that can be and not be. Smiles to you, too, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > This is how it seems to you now, because this is the doctrine you > > wish to believe. > > No, Len. You're utterly wrong about that. > > But if it serves you to believe that, and maintain that > image, by all means, have at it. > > > The movie you're watching incorporates the image of no image, the > > conceptualisation of not conceptualizable. > > This is still the screen you see. > > Wrong again. > > But if that image of me watching a movie suits you, > enjoy watching it. As long as you believe you > can. And as long as the image of you being able > to believe still makes sense to you. ***As long as your own words make any sense to yourself? Len PS: thanks for all good wishes, I'm overwhelmed by so much kindness. > > The best way to realize it, is to feel your ass sitting on the > > chair ;-) > > How does it feel? Not in words, but directly? > > Again, wrong. > > There is no " best way. " > But, enjoy your movie in which you know the best way, > as long as you can keep it going. > > > Where is the non conceptualizable when you don't think nor talk > about > > it? > > The whole idea of a " where " for the nonconceptualizable is > misguided. > > > Is your ass still there when the non nonceptualizable is not? ;-) > > Your word-games are quite mismanaged. > There is no " is " and " is not " for the nonconceptualizable. > > But, feel free to listen to your ass on the chair > as it tells you something significant about > a nonconceptualizable that can be and not be. > > Smiles to you, too, > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > > <lissbon2002> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > And it's this self who makes meaning of things that is > > > to be inquired into -- when one is ready for inquiry. > > > > > > There is no self and no-one ready for inquiry, just some thoughts > or, > > if you prefer: some letters on the computer screen. > > > > > > Len > Only if that's true in your first-hand experience, Len. > > And your tendency to want to duel and have come-backs > belies that awareness. > > -- Dan No, dear. The above " conditions " are just more thoughts, or, if you prefer: letters on the screen. They seem tangible to you now, because you wish to believe in them, in the same way as you wish to believe in my " tendencies " . My " tendencies " are your memory. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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