Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > I am very pleased with my intellectual idea (speculation) that > > reality > > > is complexity unfolding in a hierarchical way (wholes within > larger > > > wholes, such as atoms are parts of molecules which are parts of > > cells > > > which are parts of multi-celled organisms). > > > > That's the point, Anders. > > > > You're pleased with yourself and the way you conceptualize > > things. > > > > It's self-involvement. > > > > Truth has no place for the self-center. > > > > Thus all the speculative self-constructions provide > > a temporary enjoyment that hides anxiety about > > what has no place for oneself -- never has and never will. > > > > This is what you don't want to face -- and all your > > self-involved speculations simply occupy your time > > and distract you. > > > > -- Dan > > I think you correctly describe the trap of being stuck in fantasy and > imagination. Even a very down-to-earth realistic view about the future > is still a fantasy in that it is not the truth. Any speculation about > the future is a part of the truth, but not the whole truth. This > moment right now contains all speculations about the future, both the > realistic views about the future and all fanciful wish-work. But this > moment is much vaster than all the future. The clear space of now > contains all thought stuff, but is infinitely more than that. Just > think of all your problems right now, and take a look around you. Is > not the now bigger than _all_ your problems? Of course it is, because > this moment contains all problems, yours, mine e t c, but all problems > of the world could never embrace this moment. > > /AL Can you be clear as you formulate a view of the future? Even of the next instant? Can you be clear that even as you take yourself as experiencing something right now, that very experiencing is a construct, is past? Any future, any present experience is being imagined, is projection of the past. And what is the past but an attempt to maintain a static configuration where there is nothing static? Even the basic configurations of pleasure, pain, light, darkness -- those templates are from and of the past. If one is thus clear, there is no present sandwiched between a past and a future. Any thought-moment or feeling-moment which formulates a view,and experience -- requires ignore-ance (of nonstatic being). If I am clear on the nature of ignorance, I am clear. There is nothing else to be clear about. And thoughts, feelings, experiences are free to come and go -- no problem. Even thoughts about the future, like where I will meet my friends for lunch. Not a problem at all, because not mistaken for what it is not. Time is revealed as the punster, the trickster, the fabricator -- and no longer believed in. Simply a construct to be used, and one's being is not invested there. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > I am very pleased with my intellectual idea (speculation) that > > > reality > > > > is complexity unfolding in a hierarchical way (wholes within > > larger > > > > wholes, such as atoms are parts of molecules which are parts of > > > cells > > > > which are parts of multi-celled organisms). > > > > > > That's the point, Anders. > > > > > > You're pleased with yourself and the way you conceptualize > > > things. > > > > > > It's self-involvement. > > > > > > Truth has no place for the self-center. > > > > > > Thus all the speculative self-constructions provide > > > a temporary enjoyment that hides anxiety about > > > what has no place for oneself -- never has and never will. > > > > > > This is what you don't want to face -- and all your > > > self-involved speculations simply occupy your time > > > and distract you. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > I think you correctly describe the trap of being stuck in fantasy > and > > imagination. Even a very down-to-earth realistic view about the > future > > is still a fantasy in that it is not the truth. Any speculation > about > > the future is a part of the truth, but not the whole truth. This > > moment right now contains all speculations about the future, both > the > > realistic views about the future and all fanciful wish-work. But > this > > moment is much vaster than all the future. The clear space of now > > contains all thought stuff, but is infinitely more than that. Just > > think of all your problems right now, and take a look around you. > Is > > not the now bigger than _all_ your problems? Of course it is, > because > > this moment contains all problems, yours, mine e t c, but all > problems > > of the world could never embrace this moment. > > > > /AL > > Can you be clear as you formulate a view of the future? > > Even of the next instant? > > Can you be clear that even as you take yourself as > experiencing something right now, that very experiencing > is a construct, is past? > > Any future, any present experience is being imagined, > is projection of the past. > > And what is the past but an attempt to maintain a static > configuration where there is nothing static? > > Even the basic configurations of pleasure, pain, light, > darkness -- those templates are from and of the past. > > If one is thus clear, there is no present sandwiched > between a past and a future. > > Any thought-moment or feeling-moment > which formulates a view,and experience -- requires > ignore-ance (of nonstatic being). > > If I am clear on the nature of ignorance, I am clear. > > There is nothing else to be clear about. > > And thoughts, feelings, experiences > are free to come and go -- no problem. > > Even thoughts about the future, like where I will meet > my friends for lunch. > > Not a problem at all, because not mistaken for what it is not. > > Time is revealed as the punster, the trickster, the > fabricator -- and no longer believed in. Simply > a construct to be used, and one's being is not invested > there. > > -- Dan If one's being is not invested in time, that would be a tremendous liberation I think. An intellectual idea about it is not liberation, but it's a start. I feel I am on my way to loosen up my stern intellectual view. Maybe you have already stepped beyond time as a primary focus and are now in a state of clarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > If one's being is not invested in time, that would be a tremendous > liberation I think. An intellectual idea about it is not liberation, > but it's a start. I feel I am on my way to loosen up my stern > intellectual view. Maybe you have already stepped beyond time as a > primary focus and are now in a state of clarity. Hi Anders -- Clarity isn't a state I can be in. Clarity is what is, regardless of comings and goings of various " I's " who imagine states they can be in and out of. One actually doesn't have the option to invest in time. However, one may believe one has that option, and so may try to maintain investments in time which one never actually has. Clarity, being what is, relieves that mistaken notion of an option for an ongoing existence in time, as one is now ready to drop dead, to fall apart, to be. And one can't manufacture the dissolution of what one never had in the first place. It's simply unavoidable this instant of " no self-replication. " -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > If one's being is not invested in time, that would be a tremendous > > liberation I think. An intellectual idea about it is not liberation, > > but it's a start. I feel I am on my way to loosen up my stern > > intellectual view. Maybe you have already stepped beyond time as a > > primary focus and are now in a state of clarity. > > Hi Anders -- > > Clarity isn't a state I can be in. > > Clarity is what is, regardless of > comings and goings of various " I's " > who imagine states they can be > in and out of. > > One actually doesn't have the option to > invest in time. > > However, one may believe one has that option, > and so may try to maintain investments in > time which one never actually has. > > Clarity, being what is, relieves that mistaken > notion of an option for an ongoing existence > in time, as one is now ready to drop dead, to fall > apart, to be. > > And one can't manufacture the dissolution of what > one never had in the first place. > > It's simply unavoidable this instant of " no self-replication. " > > -- Dan Hi Dan, Thanks. That was clearly written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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