Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > > > And then, to lose is to gain. > > the predicament is simple, the > > predicament is identification > > with activity. The solution is > > also simple, but unpalatable. > > Be still, be nothing, is the > > only solution. What you seek > > cannot be attained. You want > > to control activity, and change it > > so it yields only happiness. This > > cannot be done Activity will always, > > somehow, revert to chaos, and bring > > with it pain. You must clearly see, > > that you are not thought, action, > > or change. You are the silence, > > the stillness, the immutable > > void. And at this point someone > > will say, " but action is also the > > void. " And that's true, but > > identification with action must go. > > And only attention will do that. > > But who is there to pay > > attention? someone will ask. > > Never mind that. Don't ask. > > Just do it. There is no other way > > to be free from the losing/gaining > > game. > > > > Pete > > > I would say: there is no way to be free from the game, cause the very > attempt to be free from it, is the perpetuation and the essence of > the game. > The game is either there or not. > There is nobody separate from the game to be free from it. > There is nobody to disidentify from the action, in other words the > one who wants to do that is an image. > The action is either taking place or not. > > Len You saying all that, and me saying this, is the game. The game can't legitimately comment about whether or not its action takes place, because any comment made is assuming itself to be taking place, in order to be offered. From non-game truth, no comment about whether or not the action takes place is relevant. Neither is this comment. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > wrote: > > > > > > And then, to lose is to gain. > > > the predicament is simple, the > > > predicament is identification > > > with activity. The solution is > > > also simple, but unpalatable. > > > Be still, be nothing, is the > > > only solution. What you seek > > > cannot be attained. You want > > > to control activity, and change it > > > so it yields only happiness. This > > > cannot be done Activity will always, > > > somehow, revert to chaos, and bring > > > with it pain. You must clearly see, > > > that you are not thought, action, > > > or change. You are the silence, > > > the stillness, the immutable > > > void. And at this point someone > > > will say, " but action is also the > > > void. " And that's true, but > > > identification with action must go. > > > And only attention will do that. > > > But who is there to pay > > > attention? someone will ask. > > > Never mind that. Don't ask. > > > Just do it. There is no other way > > > to be free from the losing/gaining > > > game. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > I would say: there is no way to be free from the game, cause the > very > > attempt to be free from it, is the perpetuation and the essence of > > the game. > > The game is either there or not. > > There is nobody separate from the game to be free from it. > > There is nobody to disidentify from the action, in other words the > > one who wants to do that is an image. > > The action is either taking place or not. > > > > Len > You saying all that, and me saying this, is the game. > > The game can't legitimately comment > about whether or not its action takes place, > because any comment made is assuming itself > to be taking place, in order to be offered. So what? The game " can do " whatever it " does " , whether you find it legitimate or not. Letters on the screen aren't assuming anything, it only seems so to you, because you are assuming they do. > From non-game truth, no comment about whether > or not the action takes place is relevant. > Neither is this comment. > > -- Dan Non-game truth is just another concept. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > <lissbon2002> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > And then, to lose is to gain. > > > > the predicament is simple, the > > > > predicament is identification > > > > with activity. The solution is > > > > also simple, but unpalatable. > > > > Be still, be nothing, is the > > > > only solution. What you seek > > > > cannot be attained. You want > > > > to control activity, and change it > > > > so it yields only happiness. This > > > > cannot be done Activity will always, > > > > somehow, revert to chaos, and bring > > > > with it pain. You must clearly see, > > > > that you are not thought, action, > > > > or change. You are the silence, > > > > the stillness, the immutable > > > > void. And at this point someone > > > > will say, " but action is also the > > > > void. " And that's true, but > > > > identification with action must go. > > > > And only attention will do that. > > > > But who is there to pay > > > > attention? someone will ask. > > > > Never mind that. Don't ask. > > > > Just do it. There is no other way > > > > to be free from the losing/gaining > > > > game. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > I would say: there is no way to be free from the game, cause the > > very > > > attempt to be free from it, is the perpetuation and the essence > of > > > the game. > > > The game is either there or not. > > > There is nobody separate from the game to be free from it. > > > There is nobody to disidentify from the action, in other words > the > > > one who wants to do that is an image. > > > The action is either taking place or not. > > > > > > Len > > > > > You saying all that, and me saying this, is the game. > > > > The game can't legitimately comment > > about whether or not its action takes place, > > because any comment made is assuming itself > > to be taking place, in order to be offered. > > > So what? > The game " can do " whatever it " does " , whether you find it legitimate > or not. > Letters on the screen aren't assuming anything, it only seems so to > you, because you are assuming they do. Why put the energy into writing this response, Len? Every message is letters on a screen. Duh! > > > From non-game truth, no comment about whether > > or not the action takes place is relevant. > > Neither is this comment. > > > > -- Dan > > > Non-game truth is just another concept. > > Len Well, gosh, so is everything ever said or written. Go figure! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> > wrote: > > > You saying all that, and me saying this, is the game. > > > > > > The game can't legitimately comment > > > about whether or not its action takes place, > > > because any comment made is assuming itself > > > to be taking place, in order to be offered. > > > > > > So what? > > The game " can do " whatever it " does " , whether you find it > legitimate > > or not. > > Letters on the screen aren't assuming anything, it only seems so to > > you, because you are assuming they do. > Why put the energy into writing this > response, Len? Every message is letters > on a screen. Duh! This is exactly what I mean, Dan: why put energy into writing a comment saying that any comment is irrelevant? Len > > > From non-game truth, no comment about whether > > > or not the action takes place is relevant. > > > Neither is this comment. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Non-game truth is just another concept. > > > > Len > > Well, gosh, so is everything ever said or > written. Go figure! > > -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > <lissbon2002> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> > > wrote: > > > > > You saying all that, and me saying this, is the game. > > > > > > > > The game can't legitimately comment > > > > about whether or not its action takes place, > > > > because any comment made is assuming itself > > > > to be taking place, in order to be offered. > > > > > > > > > So what? > > > The game " can do " whatever it " does " , whether you find it > > legitimate > > > or not. > > > Letters on the screen aren't assuming anything, it only seems so > to > > > you, because you are assuming they do. > > > > > Why put the energy into writing this > > response, Len? Every message is letters > > on a screen. Duh! > > > > This is exactly what I mean, Dan: why put energy into writing a > comment saying that any comment is irrelevant? > > Len I'm temporarily enjoying this game of giving you back what you are putting out. You seem quite limited, so maybe it will encourage you to broaden your horizons. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > I'm temporarily enjoying this game of giving you back what you > are putting out. You seem quite limited, so maybe it will > encourage you to broaden your horizons. > > -- Dan I am always exactly as limited as your idea about me. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > > I'm temporarily enjoying this game of giving you back what you > > are putting out. You seem quite limited, so maybe it will > > encourage you to broaden your horizons. > > > > -- Dan > > > I am always exactly as limited as your idea about me. > > Len No, you're not. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> > wrote: > > > > > I'm temporarily enjoying this game of giving you back what you > > > are putting out. You seem quite limited, so maybe it will > > > encourage you to broaden your horizons. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > I am always exactly as limited as your idea about me. > > > > Len > > No, you're not. > > -- Dan How interesting. Any other idea's? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > <lissbon2002> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > I'm temporarily enjoying this game of giving you back what you > > > > are putting out. You seem quite limited, so maybe it will > > > > encourage you to broaden your horizons. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > I am always exactly as limited as your idea about me. > > > > > > Len > > > > No, you're not. > > > > -- Dan > > > How interesting. > Any other idea's? > > Len Keep looking, maybe you'll find another. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > > <lissbon2002> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <berkowd@u...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm temporarily enjoying this game of giving you back what you > > > > > are putting out. You seem quite limited, so maybe it will > > > > > encourage you to broaden your horizons. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > I am always exactly as limited as your idea about me. > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > No, you're not. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > How interesting. > > Any other idea's? > > > > Len > > Keep looking, maybe you'll find another. > > -- Dan If this is all, I wish you a lovely evening. Please keep me informed about all changes in my horizons. I like to stay in touch with myself. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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