Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Dear list, Came across this dude called the Kalki Avatar by his friends... may interest some of you. Seems worthwhile checking out his website at /www.experiencefestival.com/kalki Interesting to hear the comments of Sarlo or Greig. During my last encounter with UG Krishnamurti several years ago, he remarked that this thing referred to as " enlightenment " was fundamentally a biological process, a sort of mutation that occurs outside of time and self-effort. There is an uncanny similarity with what is said here. Except for usual double-binding linguistic syntax like " you " becoming enlightened since clearly there is no " you " to become enlightened...what's pointed to should be focused upon. -dave What is Enlightenment? By Kiara Windrider Once you know that enlightenment is possible, and that it is a relatively simple neurobiological process, how do you become enlightened? The biocircuitry of a human being was designed in such a way that after developing a self at around age 3 we would return naturally to a state of unified existence at around age 18. Unfortunately, something went awry, and we experienced a Fall within our evolution as a biological species. Nature demanded that there always be a select few throughout our subsequent history who maintained this morphogenetic field of the natural enlightened state. Historical figures such as the Buddha, Lao Tzu, Jesus, and many others exemplified this. Now, however, we have come to a time when humanity is once again being prepared to return to our natural state as a collective species. The time has come now for each of us to be restored to our natural enlightened state! Enlightenment has nothing to do with how long you have been on a spiritual path, nor with what your religious beliefs are. You do not even need to believe in God or have any concepts about the soul. Enlightenment does not depend on knowing the right teachings or mantras. It has nothing to do with how many lifetimes you have meditated, or even with how ‘good’ a person you are. There is nothing you can ‘do’ to get enlightened. Enlightenment cannot be achieved through your own efforts any more than a drowning person can yank himself out by his own hair. The mind cannot deactivate itself. It can only happen by grace. “There is a simple way to know if you are enlightened,” Sri Anandagiri, a direct disciple of Kalki, had said once. “If you are asking the question, you are not.” If you know you are not enlightened, and you become aware of the cravings and aversions generated by the illusion of self, then you become open to grace. When you see clearly the nature of the mind, and the extent of your conditioning, and when you become tired of the resulting suffering – all the incessant comparing, judging, efforting, and blaming – then grace can begin to flow in. Understanding this as a mental concept isn’t enough. It must be felt and experienced. The means that Kalki has set up for this grace to act is known as the ‘diksha’. The diksha is a transfer of power, and can be defined as ‘initiation’. It usually consists of a ceremony in which one or more of the ‘dasajis’, or disciple-monks of Kalki’s order, place their hands upon your head in a state of divine union, and become channels for cosmic energies directed by Kalki to reorganize your neurocircuitry. Kalki refers to this process as ‘divine surgery’. A golden ball of divine grace descends through the crown chakra, and the kundalini channels get activated, initiating a process in which the entire brain and nervous system is reorganized. This golden ball is programmed by Kalki to reorganize the biological circuitry of the brain, leading to enlightenment. It has a living intelligence, and operates differently within each person. Once it has descended into the crown chakra, however, the process automatically continues, programmed by the divine ‘sankalpa’ (intent) of Kalki and Amma. In the current species of humanity, the brain is designed in such a way as to serve as a receptor station for a certain band of frequencies corresponding to the Ancient Mind. The diksha serves to loosen up the receptor sites within the brain from this band of frequencies, and simultaneously to dissolve the feedback loops of consciousness that create the sense of separate identity which we have referred to as the self. All consciousness is a field. The Mind is a field. The Enlightened State is also a field. Rupert Sheldrake, a British biologist, referred to these fields of consciousness as ‘morphogenetic fields’, or ‘form-generating fields’. These are the fields that have shaped our evolution, shaped our memories, shaped our biological forms. Every time one of these morphogenetic fields gets reinforced, it gets stronger. Every time someone ‘unplugs’ from these fields, it gets weaker. What this amounts to is that every time one more person unplugs from the matrix of the mind, the One Mind becomes weaker. Every time another person becomes enlightened, the morphogenetic fields of Enlightenment become stronger, making it easier for everybody else to also become enlightened. These two fields are in a ‘see-saw’ relationship with each other. Soon will come a time when critical mass will be reached, swinging the entire human consciousness into the state of enlightenment. There is a very interesting study done by an American psychologist, David Hawkins. Using the science of ‘kinesiology’, he devised a ‘consciousness scale’ going from 0 to 1000. On the bottom end of the scale were highly charged emotions such as guilt, shame, terror, and rage, and their corresponding states of consciousness. On the upper end of the scale were love, joy, and various states of enlightenment. Hawkins discovered that one person who was vibrating at the higher end of this scale could offset thousands, even millions of people, who were vibrating at the lower end of this scale. He also affirmed that one Avatar vibrating at 1000 could offset an entire Planetary Mind hell-bent on extinction! I certainly believe that Kalki vibrates at 1000, or at least very close to it. It is based on this principle of resonant fields that Kalki says that it will only take 64,000 people (one in 100,000) becoming enlightened for the entire planetary consciousness to follow suit. When a person becomes enlightened, their consciousness makes a huge leap on this consciousness scale, which directly affects all consciousness in the surrounding area. At the critical point represented by 64,000 enlightened people, the morphogenetic field of Enlightenment will counterbalance the morphogenetic field of the Mind, making it possible for a mass enlightenment to take place within the matter of a few months. For full article check www.experiencefestival.com/a/Enlightenment_2012/id/7265 Here are some other interesting articles... A Trip To India by Mitchell Rabin (A curious American reporter describes his meeting with Kalki) " But no one that I know of has offered something that I’ve been trying to achieve " on my own " , in my own way, through the process of my life, which is to make the enlightened state, the awakened state, permanent. I read the website carefully, and I gathered that here was a man who was extremely clear, forthright and extremely open. I felt his humility through his words, as well as his certainty about what he knew he could do. How many Indian gurus do you know who care about or pay attention to the Mayan Calendar? How many who describe the process of awakening in biological terms, and seek to de-mystify it? How many have such a feeling for the entire 2012(world) that he or she wants to heal it, enlighten it, and comes up with a plan to do so? My attention was riveted. Of course I queried, " Is it true? " In this 2012(world), over-promising and under-delivering is commonplace, and a sure sign of the Kali-Yuga. I felt my way through this, I listened to his words in an interview closely, I heard what I felt was a deep and rare tone of genuineness, love and concern for humankind. I thought about it, I discussed it with a few friends, and on this hunch, on this intuition, I changed my schedule all around here in New York and went off to India. I made arrangements to do interviews there, packed my camera and India cloth clothing, oh, and a toothbrush, and left. I figured that if it weren't what I hoped for, the worst is that I'd be with Rena, who had been living in South India for some 9 months, and we'd have a chance to spend some time, go to other ashrams, centers, visit friends in Bangalore, and see parts of India I'd not yet seen " For full article check out http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Enlightenment/id/5005 Illusion of Self By Kalki Avatar Q : If self is an illusion, who am I. What is my real existence? Kalki Bhagavan: You do not exist. That is the truth. That sense of “I and you”, the sense of separateness, is an illusion. It does not really exist. For example, as you are listening to me, you are seeing me but you are not hearing me, and when you hear me, you are not seeing me. But that is happening so fast, that you have this illusion that you are seeing and hearing. The two senses have got coordinated, like in a movie, unless you have those 16 shots moving per second you will not see the hand movement, in the movie theatre. If the projector is slowed down it becomes only like a slide. Similarly, here the senses are coordinating at a particular speed whereby you are feeling that you are seeing, touching as though all these things are going on at the same time. It is this illusion that creates the sense of “Me” and “I”. If this is slowed down, you all just vanish! So, now you are there. If I were to slow down your senses, if you would give me permission, you would just disappear. You will go back home minus yourself! But you will still be very functional, you will in fact be very efficient. The sense of separateness would completely be gone. What remains there is life or you may call it pure consciousness; the stuff from which this whole universe is made. What is there ultimately is consciousness and that has to only to be experienced. How can you see yourself? There is no way to see consciousness, because you are that. Its true nature is Ananda and Love. It is a causeless Love. This love is a causeless love. It is just there. This can happen only if the “I” the “self” disappears. It’s a very simple thing - the senses have to be slowed down a little bit… and behold; You are not there! What is there is only life. You will feel you are one with the universe, completely one. It is not a mystical experience. A mystical experience comes when the kundalini rises to the chakras, but when it comes down… the experience is lost. We are not talking about that. We are talking of a very robust state of 24 hours irreversible consciousness. You are completely gone. To attain this state you must qualify. The qualification is, you must set right your relationionship For full article check.... http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Kalki_Bhagavan/id/3838 The all-new My - What will yours do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 I have never heard such a stupid thing. Enlightenment a biological process!!! Are you stupids or what? Did Master Nis said that? Or Ramana or Osho or the buddha or Krishna??? Oh of course you believe every punk that clames he is enlighten! Here below are some comments concerning U.G. Krishnamurti said by Master Osho. Who is an Enlighten Master, as Ramana as master Nis. etc. You are & ^ & %$#@ blind man!! It's incredible. And You like it!! that's the worse part. You enjoy your farts. You like the smell of it. And you call that freedom. You are slaves of your minds and you think you have transcend it!! You have no clue what Enlightement is. So you say it doesn't exist. One person, not me, is telling you to overcome your toughts to evercome your mind because you cannot go beyond with your thoughts. But you don't care because if you admit that you cannot master your toughts that means you are not Awaken. You don't want to hear this. And this give you fear etc. You cannot tell yourself I don't know. All you can do Is talk to say stupid things. You don't respect nothing. You are mad dogs! You are bitting yourself and say but no, there is no body there??? Fouls, until when are you going to enjoy craziness. Listen to the Masters and Awake. Just Master Nis is enough. You have also Ramana, Buddha, Krishna, Osho and many others. And by the way there is not a ^%$# thing called cyber guru. This is bull & *#$. Sexuality is not pornography.You will never be able to make love to a woman throught your computer. This is madness. This is the teenager dream. You cannot compare the real woman with her picture on the screen!!! Are you nuts or what. Believing that you can become Enlighten throught the internet. Without any effort. Just because HUMM Oh it is a biological process now!!! That is your wisdom. That is your enlightement. Oh I forgot. There is nobody to be enlighten!!! etc etc. You know nothing and you talk like ladys in front of their cup of tea. Deviandi did a very nice resume about master Nis teachings have you red it? have you understand it? Have you master it? Ohhh of course you did? This is old stuff for you guys hein!!! You already knew all that. Here is Osho comments on U.G. Krishnamurti. If you think that UG is enlighten well think it twice. www.otoons.de/osho/askosho_u.g.krishnamurti.htm Oh I remember someone telling me that advaita purpuse was to only ask questions not getting answers. Oh Ramana, and Master Nis were advaitans and they awake? How come? Stop dreaming about it. and start a true sadhana. Bla bla bla.... bunch of crakers!!! Odysseus, ******************************************************************** friends... may interest some of you. Seems worthwhile > checking out his website at > /www.experiencefestival.com/kalki > > Interesting to hear the comments of Sarlo or Greig. > > During my last encounter with UG Krishnamurti several > years ago, he remarked that this thing referred to as > " enlightenment " was fundamentally a biological > process, a sort of mutation that occurs outside of > time and self-effort. There is an uncanny similarity > with what is said here. Except for usual > double-binding linguistic syntax like " you " becoming > enlightened since clearly there is no " you " to become > enlightened...what's pointed to should be focused > upon. > > -dave > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Hey Mister, Is this the way you engage in intelligent conversations..with no respect or regard to the alternative views ? Your spirituality stinks, I suggest you relax and accept yourself bodily, right here and now. ....or else go park your neurosis where it belongs, where other neurotics meet. Clearly you're a very disturbed and unhappy individual that need help...from what I sense some nut guru disturbed your mind sometime in the past...your attitude is remniscent of the crackpot Adi Da, the exclusive one and only one. -dave --- ilikezen2004 <ilikezen2004 wrote: > > > I have never heard such a stupid thing. > Enlightenment a biological > process!!! Are you stupids or what? Did Master Nis > said that? Or > Ramana or Osho or the buddha or Krishna??? Oh of > course you believe > every punk that clames he is enlighten! Here below > are some comments > concerning U.G. Krishnamurti said by Master Osho. > Who is an > Enlighten Master, as Ramana as master Nis. etc. You > are & ^ & %$#@ > blind man!! It's incredible. And You like it!! > that's the worse > part. You enjoy your farts. You like the smell of > it. And you call > that freedom. You are slaves of your minds and you > think you have > transcend it!! You have no clue what Enlightement > is. So you say it > doesn't exist. One person, not me, is telling you to > overcome your > toughts to evercome your mind because you cannot go > beyond with your > thoughts. But you don't care because if you admit > that you cannot > master your toughts that means you are not Awaken. > You don't want to > hear this. And this give you fear etc. You cannot > tell yourself I > don't know. All you can do Is talk to say stupid > things. You don't > respect nothing. You are mad dogs! You are bitting > yourself and say > but no, there is no body there??? Fouls, until when > are you going to > enjoy craziness. Listen to the Masters and Awake. > Just Master Nis is > enough. You have also Ramana, Buddha, Krishna, Osho > and many others. > And by the way there is not a ^%$# thing called > cyber guru. This is > bull & *#$. Sexuality is not pornography.You will > never be able to > make love to a woman throught your computer. This is > madness. This > is the teenager dream. You cannot compare the real > woman with her > picture on the screen!!! Are you nuts or what. > Believing that you > can become Enlighten throught the internet. Without > any effort. Just > because HUMM Oh it is a biological process now!!! > That is your > wisdom. That is your enlightement. Oh I forgot. > There is nobody to > be enlighten!!! etc etc. You know nothing and you > talk like ladys in > front of their cup of tea. > > Deviandi did a very nice resume about master Nis > teachings have you > red it? have you understand it? Have you master it? > Ohhh of course > you did? This is old stuff for you guys hein!!! You > already knew all > that. Here is Osho comments on U.G. Krishnamurti. If > you think that > UG is enlighten well think it twice. > > www.otoons.de/osho/askosho_u.g.krishnamurti.htm > > Oh I remember someone telling me that advaita > purpuse was to only > ask questions not getting answers. Oh Ramana, and > Master Nis were > advaitans and they awake? How come? Stop dreaming > about it. and > start a true sadhana. > > Bla bla bla.... bunch of crakers!!! > > Odysseus, > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Nisargadatta , Dave Sirjue <davesirjue> wrote: > Dear list, > > Came across this dude called the Kalki Avatar by his > friends... may interest some of you. Seems worthwhile > checking out his website at > /www.experiencefestival.com/kalki Sarlo posted this reply at advaitatozen: > Actually what Kalki is saying has application to a certain part of the journey, not the whole thing. Sadhana is needed to prepare one for the final step, or whatever you want to call it, of the separative self disappearing. His assertion that none of Ramakrishna's or Buddha's disciples became enlightened is just false, perhaps serving a point he wanted to make to whoever he was talking to, but misleading as a general principle. If UG wants to make it his whole shtick, that's fine, but many many disciples of Buddha, and their disciples down the ages, have gotten enlightened by their sadhanas, perhaps dropping it at the end, but the efficacy of the sadhana cannot so blithely be dismissed. >I'm interested in what the critics have to >say about Kalki..any ashram gossips ? >I haven't seen his name mentioned in >Sarlo's Guru ratings. Listed at http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/RatingsD.htm#kalki , reachable in the alphabetical pages by looking under " K, " or by using the Search page for Kalki. Sarlo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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