Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > devi: that may be true....but, are you completely empty headed? > > > > > > Why do you want to know that? > devi:i was wondering why you said that * My practice, my belief, my > theory, my goals are all idea's in your head.* pointing to petes... Because it's true. If he didn't assume I have them, he wouldn't ask it, would he. > Would you agree that my being empty-headed or not, will only fill > your head a little bit more? > devi: if it does, so what? If you're interested in being empty headed, the importance of it is obvious. If you just wish to fill your head, I am not interested in helping you doing this. > Why do you need an idea about me at all? > devi: i don't > If your really interested in being empty headed, any idea about me > is useless, isn't it? > devi: i'm just conversing with you becasue you are here to converse > with someone..and so am i..... Yes, but conversation doesn't necessarily mean the exchange of images about each other. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 devi: that may be true....but, are you completely empty headed? Why do you want to know that? devi:i was wondering why you said that * My practice, my belief, my theory, my goals are all idea's in your head.* pointing to petes... Because it's true. If he didn't assume I have them, he wouldn't ask it, would he. devi: so you can honestly say that you have no practice, no belief, no theory and no goals...be honest..i would like to know if dan was really making stories up about you in his head... Would you agree that my being empty-headed or not, will only fill your head a little bit more? devi: if it does, so what? If you're interested in being empty headed, the importance of it is obvious. If you just wish to fill your head, I am not interested in helping you doing this. devi: well i think thats great that you don't want to fill my head with ignorance, but there is such a *speaking the truth*...that helps and doesn't harm..... Why do you need an idea about me at all? devi: i don't If your really interested in being empty headed, any idea about me is useless, isn't it? devi: i'm just conversing with you becasue you are here to converse with someone..and so am i..... Yes, but conversation doesn't necessarily mean the exchange of images about each other. Len devi: i'm not attahced to having an empty head, truth-revealing thoughts are even welcome...its ignorant thought that is a cause of suffering and i try and avoid them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: Hi Devi, > devi: so you can honestly say that you have no practice, no belief, > no theory and no goals...be honest..i would like to know if dan was > really making stories up about you in his head... Dan was really making stories up about me in his head. This happens every time we meet somebody and make an opinion about him. It doesn't really matter whether the person believes in some stories about himself or not. This person's self-image is one thing. The image YOU make of this person is another thing. I may be full of stories about myself, yet you don't necessary need to believe them. I might have no story about myself whatsoever, still you might produce your own story about me. What you think about me, is your business, what I think about myself, is mine. They seem connected, but if you carefully observe the content of images, you can see that the self-image of a person is often very different from the image somebody else has of him. So, these are in fact two different stories. I may create an image of myself, in function of my beliefs and conditioning, and you may create a completely different image of me, in function of YOUR beliefs and conditioning. The image you make of me, is you, not me. We could talk here about what I believe or not, but the thing is, that there is nothing I believe strongly enough to take it seriously. I may believe something one moment, and next second – not believe it. Some beliefs may be there, from time to time, but what isn't there, is a belief in their consistency, tangibility. It's a game of thoughts, constantly changing. Seeing this makes the exchange of images about each other less attractive, at the same time it increases the interest in observing the mechanism of image-making. It's amazing to see how practically all human contacts are based on the exchange of images, and how these images constantly create an imaginary separation between people. People are not only offending and hurting each other, they are killing each other because of the image of the other THEY are creating in their own head. It's most important to see that. > devi: i'm not attahced to having an empty head, truth-revealing > thoughts are even welcome...its ignorant thought that is a cause of > suffering and i try and avoid them... We cannot communicate on this site without thoughts. Also the body cannot properly take care of itself, without thoughts. Being " attached " to having an empty head, means to keep thinking about it. Thinking about an empty head is still filling our head. So, this is certainly pointless. I'm not talking about the absence of thoughts, which are necessary, from time to time at least, but about clearly seeing what the self- image and the images we constantly create about others, are made of, and how it affects the way we deal with each other and with all life. Take care, Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 devi: you know alot about human behavior..how long have you been involved with nisargadatta? Hi Devi, > > > devi: so you can honestly say that you have no practice, no belief, > > no theory and no goals...be honest..i would like to know if dan was > > really making stories up about you in his head... > > > Dan was really making stories up about me in his head. > This happens every time we meet somebody and make an opinion about > him. > It doesn't really matter whether the person believes in some stories > about himself or not. > This person's self-image is one thing. > The image YOU make of this person is another thing. > I may be full of stories about myself, yet you don't necessary need > to believe them. I might have no story about myself whatsoever, still > you might produce your own story about me. > What you think about me, is your business, what I think about myself, > is mine. > They seem connected, but if you carefully observe the content of > images, you can see that the self-image of a person is often very > different from the image somebody else has of him. So, these are in > fact two different stories. > I may create an image of myself, in function of my beliefs and > conditioning, and you may create a completely different image of me, > in function of YOUR beliefs and conditioning. > The image you make of me, is you, not me. > We could talk here about what I believe or not, but the thing is, > that there is nothing I believe strongly enough to take it seriously. > I may believe something one moment, and next second – not believe it. > Some beliefs may be there, from time to time, but what isn't there, > is a belief in their consistency, tangibility. It's a game of > thoughts, constantly changing. > Seeing this makes the exchange of images about each other less > attractive, at the same time it increases the interest in observing > the mechanism of image-making. > It's amazing to see how practically all human contacts are based on > the exchange of images, and how these images constantly create an > imaginary separation between people. > People are not only offending and hurting each other, they are > killing each other because of the image of the other THEY are > creating in their own head. > It's most important to see that. > > > > devi: i'm not attahced to having an empty head, truth-revealing > > thoughts are even welcome...its ignorant thought that is a cause of > > suffering and i try and avoid them... > > > We cannot communicate on this site without thoughts. > Also the body cannot properly take care of itself, without thoughts. > Being " attached " to having an empty head, means to keep thinking > about it. > Thinking about an empty head is still filling our head. > So, this is certainly pointless. > I'm not talking about the absence of thoughts, which are necessary, > from time to time at least, but about clearly seeing what the self- > image and the images we constantly create about others, are made of, > and how it affects the way we deal with each other and with all life. > > Take care, > Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > devi: you know alot about human behavior..how long have you been > involved with nisargadatta? I was never involved with him. But I'm a human :-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 devi: you know alot about human behavior..how long have you been > > involved with nisargadatta? > > > I was never involved with him. But I'm a human :-) > > Len devi: so, why spend time in a nisargadattta group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > devi: you know alot about human behavior..how long have you been > > > involved with nisargadatta? > > > > > > I was never involved with him. But I'm a human :-) > > > > Len > > devi: so, why spend time in a nisargadattta group? To talk with you, for instance :-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 lissbon2002 wrote: > > What you think about me, is your business, what I think about myself, > is mine. Both of the above statements need reflection. What you think about yourself need not be your business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > lissbon2002 wrote: > > > > > What you think about me, is your business, what I think about myself, > > is mine. > > > Both of the above statements need reflection. > What you think about yourself need not be your business. Whose business is it, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 _____ lissbon2002 [lissbon2002] Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:42 AM Nisargadatta Re: Again, To Gain is to Lose / Devi Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > lissbon2002 wrote: > > > > > What you think about me, is your business, what I think about myself, > > is mine. > > > Both of the above statements need reflection. > What you think about yourself need not be your business. Whose business is it, then? *********************** That is what requires investigation and reflection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Harsha " wrote: > _____ > > lissbon2002 [lissbon2002] > Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:42 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: Again, To Gain is to Lose / Devi > > > > > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > lissbon2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > What you think about me, is your business, what I think about > myself, > > > is mine. > > > > > > Both of the above statements need reflection. > > What you think about yourself need not be your business. > > > Whose business is it, then? > *********************** > > That is what requires investigation and reflection. And are you interested in investigating it? Do you want to share some reflections about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 What you think about me, is your business, what I think about myself, is mine. H: Both of the above statements need reflection. What you think about yourself need not be your business. > > Whose business is it, then? > > *********************** > > > > That is what requires investigation and reflection. > > > And are you interested in investigating it? as far as know Harsha Ji, he is doing atma-vichara: investigating who is thinking, doing, perceiving, judging etc > Do you want to share some reflections about it? " What you think about yourself need not be your business. " imo if the above is inquired into, than it comes to be: that there is nobody there to have a business action just flows without ownership metta, Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok> wrote: > > What you think about me, is your business, what I think about myself, is mine. > > > H: Both of the above statements need reflection. > What you think about yourself need not be your business. > > > > > Whose business is it, then? > > > *********************** > > > > > > That is what requires investigation and reflection. > > > > > > And are you interested in investigating it? > > > > as far as know Harsha Ji, he is doing > atma-vichara: > > investigating who is thinking, doing, > perceiving, judging etc > > > Do you want to share some reflections about it? > > > " What you think about yourself need not be your business. " > > imo if the above is inquired into, > than it comes to be: that there is > nobody there to have a business > > action just flows without ownership > > metta, Era I see. What does " imo " mean, then? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 > > What you think about me, is your business, what I think about > myself, is mine. > > > > > > H: Both of the above statements need reflection. > > What you think about yourself need not be your business. > > > > > > > > Whose business is it, then? > > > > *********************** > > > > > > > > That is what requires investigation and reflection. > > > > > > > > > And are you interested in investigating it? > > > > > > > > as far as know Harsha Ji, he is doing > > atma-vichara: > > > > investigating who is thinking, doing, > > perceiving, judging etc > > > > > Do you want to share some reflections about it? > > > > > > " What you think about yourself need not be your business. " > > > > imo if the above is inquired into, > > than it comes to be: that there is > > nobody there to have a business > > > > action just flows without ownership > > > > metta, Era > > > I see. > What does " imo " mean, then? > > Len Hi Len imo means In My Opinion an acronym IMHO would be in my humble opinion I couldn't post that one he he these are emoticons :-) :0 ) http://www.fun-with-words.com/acronyms.html love, Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok> wrote: > > > > What you think about me, is your business, what I think about > > myself, is mine. > > > > > > > > > H: Both of the above statements need reflection. > > > What you think about yourself need not be your business. > > > > > > > > > > > Whose business is it, then? > > > > > *********************** > > > > > > > > > > That is what requires investigation and reflection. > > > > > > > > > > > > And are you interested in investigating it? > > > > > > > > > > > > as far as know Harsha Ji, he is doing > > > atma-vichara: > > > > > > investigating who is thinking, doing, > > > perceiving, judging etc > > > > > > > Do you want to share some reflections about it? > > > > > > > > > " What you think about yourself need not be your business. " > > > > > > imo if the above is inquired into, > > > than it comes to be: that there is > > > nobody there to have a business > > > > > > action just flows without ownership > > > > > > metta, Era > > > > > > I see. > > What does " imo " mean, then? > > > > Len > > > Hi Len > > imo means In My Opinion an acronym > > IMHO would be in my humble opinion > I couldn't post that one > > he he > > these are emoticons :-) :0 ) > > > http://www.fun-with-words.com/acronyms.html > > > love, Era Thanks for the link, Era, I'll have a look. I know what " imo " means. If there is no ownership, how come you call it your opinion? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 > > > > " What you think about yourself need not be your business. " > > > > > > > > imo if the above is inquired into, > > > > than it comes to be: that there is > > > > nobody there to have a business > > > > > > > > action just flows without ownership > > > > > > > > metta, Era > > > > > > > > > I see. > > > What does " imo " mean, then? > > > > > > Len > > > > > > Hi Len > > > > imo means In My Opinion an acronym > > > > IMHO would be in my humble opinion > > I couldn't post that one > > > > he he > > > > these are emoticons :-) :0 ) > > > > > > http://www.fun-with-words.com/acronyms.html > > > > > > love, Era > > > Thanks for the link, Era, I'll have a look. > I know what " imo " means. > If there is no ownership, how come you call it your opinion? > oh, you caught me ! ;-) I was thinking of Harsha, who has little and momentary ownerships > Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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