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There is only one mind and it is your mind. Any thought you are experiencing

other than this thought is not thinking it is an illusion. You have fallen

for the insanity of the ego. There is only one ego and you created it. You

did this when you denied your true nature and turned away from your self.

You had to create this ego self to protect yourself from seeing the reality

of yourself. This ego is everything you think and experience as reality. It

is illusory and thus has no real existence. That is why it makes no since

and is always turning into something else. This rift is healing when you

experience relief from suffering but time is neccessary to permit the

remembrance because if you remembered all at once you would experience it as

your reality disintegrating and panic. So you experience a gradual letting

go. The illusion begins to seem lighter and more transparent. The experience

is one of joy. This does not mean you have arrived just that you are going

back. When you arrive the dream vanishes and is not even a memory. It is

gone just like the memory of the dream you had two nights ago. You will not

remember it because it never really existed. This remembrance can not be

done without your spirit guides help. He will mediate the process over time

for you and bring you to the threshold. Once there the transformation is

instant and automatic. There is no biology nor is there a Master this or

that. There is only you making all of it up for yourself. You can dream it

anyway you wish and it will happen if you accept this fact totally. Your

doubt is the ego thought system you created. It is only a thought that

separates you from reality. It is an insane thought at that. Know this and

you will be in total bliss instantly because that is what you are and always

will be. Have no fear on this. Ask for perception of this and you will have

it. The key is you must ask and be willing to receive help. You are trying

to do it alone and you will spend forever this way. Save time, get help. Why

suffer this one minute more than you must. All this talk is a waist of time

at best and damaging and vicious at worst. Calling each other names is ego

centered attack based on acceptance of the ego's thought system. Use Your

spirit guide. Ask him to take charge of the ego for you and deliver it to

him humbly asking for help and see what happens. Stop bickering with

yourself, this is an ego set up!

 

-

<Nisargadatta >

<Nisargadatta >

Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:55 PM

Digest Number 1545

 

 

>

>

> There are 6 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. Re: What is Enlightenment - on the Kalki Avatar

> " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004

> 2. Re: Re: What is Enlightenment - on the Kalki Avatar

> Dave Sirjue <davesirjue

> 3. Re: Again, To Gain is to Lose,

> " devianandi " <polansky

> 4. Re: Again, To Gain is to Lose,

> " devianandi " <polansky

> 5. Re: Again, To Gain is to Lose,

> " cerosoul " <Pedsie2

> 6. Re: Again, To Gain is to Lose,

> " devianandi " <polansky

>

>

> ______________________

> ______________________

>

> Message: 1

> Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:32:54 -0000

> " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004

> Re: What is Enlightenment - on the Kalki Avatar

>

>

>

> I have never heard such a stupid thing. Enlightenment a biological

> process!!! Are you stupids or what? Did Master Nis said that? Or

> Ramana or Osho or the buddha or Krishna??? Oh of course you believe

> every punk that clames he is enlighten! Here below are some comments

> concerning U.G. Krishnamurti said by Master Osho. Who is an

> Enlighten Master, as Ramana as master Nis. etc. You are & ^ & %$#@

> blind man!! It's incredible. And You like it!! that's the worse

> part. You enjoy your farts. You like the smell of it. And you call

> that freedom. You are slaves of your minds and you think you have

> transcend it!! You have no clue what Enlightement is. So you say it

> doesn't exist. One person, not me, is telling you to overcome your

> toughts to evercome your mind because you cannot go beyond with your

> thoughts. But you don't care because if you admit that you cannot

> master your toughts that means you are not Awaken. You don't want to

> hear this. And this give you fear etc. You cannot tell yourself I

> don't know. All you can do Is talk to say stupid things. You don't

> respect nothing. You are mad dogs! You are bitting yourself and say

> but no, there is no body there??? Fouls, until when are you going to

> enjoy craziness. Listen to the Masters and Awake. Just Master Nis is

> enough. You have also Ramana, Buddha, Krishna, Osho and many others.

> And by the way there is not a ^%$# thing called cyber guru. This is

> bull & *#$. Sexuality is not pornography.You will never be able to

> make love to a woman throught your computer. This is madness. This

> is the teenager dream. You cannot compare the real woman with her

> picture on the screen!!! Are you nuts or what. Believing that you

> can become Enlighten throught the internet. Without any effort. Just

> because HUMM Oh it is a biological process now!!! That is your

> wisdom. That is your enlightement. Oh I forgot. There is nobody to

> be enlighten!!! etc etc. You know nothing and you talk like ladys in

> front of their cup of tea.

>

> Deviandi did a very nice resume about master Nis teachings have you

> red it? have you understand it? Have you master it? Ohhh of course

> you did? This is old stuff for you guys hein!!! You already knew all

> that. Here is Osho comments on U.G. Krishnamurti. If you think that

> UG is enlighten well think it twice.

>

> www.otoons.de/osho/askosho_u.g.krishnamurti.htm

>

> Oh I remember someone telling me that advaita purpuse was to only

> ask questions not getting answers. Oh Ramana, and Master Nis were

> advaitans and they awake? How come? Stop dreaming about it. and

> start a true sadhana.

>

> Bla bla bla.... bunch of crakers!!!

>

> Odysseus,

>

> ********************************************************************

>

> friends... may interest some of you. Seems worthwhile

>> checking out his website at

>> /www.experiencefestival.com/kalki

>>

>> Interesting to hear the comments of Sarlo or Greig.

>>

>> During my last encounter with UG Krishnamurti several

>> years ago, he remarked that this thing referred to as

>> " enlightenment " was fundamentally a biological

>> process, a sort of mutation that occurs outside of

>> time and self-effort. There is an uncanny similarity

>> with what is said here. Except for usual

>> double-binding linguistic syntax like " you " becoming

>> enlightened since clearly there is no " you " to become

>> enlightened...what's pointed to should be focused

>> upon.

>>

>> -dave

>>

______________________

> ______________________

>

> Message: 2

> Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:30:52 -0800 (PST)

> Dave Sirjue <davesirjue

> Re: Re: What is Enlightenment - on the Kalki Avatar

>

> Hey Mister,

>

> Is this the way you engage in

> intelligent conversations..with

> no respect or regard to the

> alternative views ?

>

> Your spirituality stinks,

> I suggest you relax and accept

> yourself bodily, right here and now.

>

> ...or else go park your neurosis

> where it belongs, where other

> neurotics meet.

>

> Clearly you're a very disturbed

> and unhappy individual that need

> help...from what I sense some nut

> guru disturbed your mind sometime

> in the past...your attitude is remniscent

> of the crackpot Adi Da, the exclusive one

> and only one.

>

> -dave

>

>

> --- ilikezen2004 <ilikezen2004 wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> I have never heard such a stupid thing.

>> Enlightenment a biological

>> process!!! Are you stupids or what? Did Master Nis

>> said that? Or

>> Ramana or Osho or the buddha or Krishna??? Oh of

>> course you believe

>> every punk that clames he is enlighten! Here below

>> are some comments

>> concerning U.G. Krishnamurti said by Master Osho.

>> Who is an

>> Enlighten Master, as Ramana as master Nis. etc. You

>> are & ^ & %$#@

>> blind man!! It's incredible. And You like it!!

>> that's the worse

>> part. You enjoy your farts. You like the smell of

>> it. And you call

>> that freedom. You are slaves of your minds and you

>> think you have

>> transcend it!! You have no clue what Enlightement

>> is. So you say it

>> doesn't exist. One person, not me, is telling you to

>> overcome your

>> toughts to evercome your mind because you cannot go

>> beyond with your

>> thoughts. But you don't care because if you admit

>> that you cannot

>> master your toughts that means you are not Awaken.

>> You don't want to

>> hear this. And this give you fear etc. You cannot

>> tell yourself I

>> don't know. All you can do Is talk to say stupid

>> things. You don't

>> respect nothing. You are mad dogs! You are bitting

>> yourself and say

>> but no, there is no body there??? Fouls, until when

>> are you going to

>> enjoy craziness. Listen to the Masters and Awake.

>> Just Master Nis is

>> enough. You have also Ramana, Buddha, Krishna, Osho

>> and many others.

>> And by the way there is not a ^%$# thing called

>> cyber guru. This is

>> bull & *#$. Sexuality is not pornography.You will

>> never be able to

>> make love to a woman throught your computer. This is

>> madness. This

>> is the teenager dream. You cannot compare the real

>> woman with her

>> picture on the screen!!! Are you nuts or what.

>> Believing that you

>> can become Enlighten throught the internet. Without

>> any effort. Just

>> because HUMM Oh it is a biological process now!!!

>> That is your

>> wisdom. That is your enlightement. Oh I forgot.

>> There is nobody to

>> be enlighten!!! etc etc. You know nothing and you

>> talk like ladys in

>> front of their cup of tea.

>>

>> Deviandi did a very nice resume about master Nis

>> teachings have you

>> red it? have you understand it? Have you master it?

>> Ohhh of course

>> you did? This is old stuff for you guys hein!!! You

>> already knew all

>> that. Here is Osho comments on U.G. Krishnamurti. If

>> you think that

>> UG is enlighten well think it twice.

>>

>> www.otoons.de/osho/askosho_u.g.krishnamurti.htm

>>

>> Oh I remember someone telling me that advaita

>> purpuse was to only

>> ask questions not getting answers. Oh Ramana, and

>> Master Nis were

>> advaitans and they awake? How come? Stop dreaming

>> about it. and

>> start a true sadhana.

>>

>> Bla bla bla.... bunch of crakers!!!

>>

>> Odysseus,

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Mail - You care about security. So do we.

>

>

>

> ______________________

> ______________________

>

> Message: 3

> Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:07:52 -0000

> " devianandi " <polansky

> Re: Again, To Gain is to Lose,

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

>>

>>

>> > > >

>> > > > devi: i'm intersted in knowing where your at pete, will you

>> tell

>> > me?

>> > > > had you managed to stop imagining and realzied the Real?

>> > >

>> > > P: How come you don't know? Ain't you realized? Aren't

> realized

>> > ppl.

>> > > supposed to know if another is realized? If you need to ask

> me,

>> > > what does that say about you?

>> >

>> > devi: thats called avoidance....! instead of being a straigh

>> shooter

>> > you hide behind your questions..

>>

>> P:LOL. No, it's not avoidance. If I answer yes, I am only saying

>> I fit your ideas of enlightenment.

>

> devi: how do you figure that...you will be fitting your own idea of

> enlightnened to yourself

>

>

> If you think, you are enlightened, and if I remember correctly you

> claim to be so,

>

> devi: my mistake

>

>

> I would be just saying I'm like you.

> Well I'm not like you, and I don't consider your ideas of

> enlightenment, as I remember them, to be correct.

>

> devi: o i c

>

>

> So, if you want to continue this, let me know what you think

> is realization, or enlightenment.

>

> devi: i don't think enlightenement has anything to do with *creation*

> in fact, creation has dissappeared and the Self is all

> Alone....Awake to Itself only

>

>

>

>

>

> ______________________

> ______________________

>

> Message: 4

> Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:09:58 -0000

> " devianandi " <polansky

> Re: Again, To Gain is to Lose,

>

>

>

>

> devi: so what is yours pete?

>

>

>

>

>

> ______________________

> ______________________

>

> Message: 5

> Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:38:07 -0000

> " cerosoul " <Pedsie2

> Re: Again, To Gain is to Lose,

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> devi: so what is yours pete?

>

> P: Now who is avoiding?

>

> I have written about that many times.

> There is not any condition an entity

> could attain that is perfect and

> permanent. There is direct perception,

> full attention to the present, clarity,

> a sense of voidness and freedom, bliss

> intelligence, wisdom, but no one owns

> those things. It's the very urge to

> own, to be, to act and avoid stillness

> which is the problem we go around and

> around trying to solve.

______________________

> ______________________

>

> Message: 6

> Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:27:35 -0000

> " devianandi " <polansky

> Re: Again, To Gain is to Lose,

>

>

> devi: so what is yours pete?

>>

>> P: Now who is avoiding?

>

> devi: i posted my idea about enlightenment a few posts back, you

> skipped it?

>>

>> I have written about that many times.

>

> i read what your thoughts are and they seem like *enlightnened*

> thoghts*

>

>> There is not any condition an entity

>> could attain that is perfect and

>> permanent.

>

> devi: ok i can agree with that, but if someone comes along and says

> that there is i can agree with that too,,

>

>

> There is direct perception,

>

> devi: of what?

>

>

> full attention to the present, clarity,

>

> devi:

>

>

> a sense of voidness and freedom, bliss intelligence, wisdom, but no

> one owns those things. It's the very urge to

> own, to be, to act and avoid stillness which is the problem we go

> around and around trying to solve.

>

> devi: thats all very well and nice, very *advanced* practice but

> when you read, say, nizargadatta, and he talkes about the Supreme,

> are you knowing what he is talking about? when ramana is talking

> about the Self..do you konw what he is talking..have you expereinced

> the Self minus everything in creation...

>

>

>

>

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