Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Spiritual fantasy! One man one day just like that said to him self. Hey Life isn't funny at all. We suffer, we die. I don't like that! So the guy went to see a very enlighten master. Well known. He asked the Master what is the meaning of all this " life " " death " " pure consciousness " stuff. The Master replyied don't worry it's just bull%$#@. Don't bother with that. Don't waist your time searching. The man went home and said to him self. Well, yeah, why spend so much time! He attained Satori, enlightement!.... ha ha ha! Of course he married and had a lot of children. Spend his life in Samadhi and attain Nirvana because there was nothing to attain!!! ha ha ha! You are going to make me cry of laughter!!! Who is naive! Me or some of you!! Please! ha ha! Pete why don't you tell them how many years of meditation you spent! And you say there is nothing to do! Who of you lived this fantasy! Who of you spent few months and attain true Satori not imagined Satori? Do I believe this is possible... of course it is possible. But what you don't seem to understand is if someone can do that he is greater than master Nisargadatta. Who did a sadhana for three years. He got the blessings of a true Enlighten Master! He spent three foul years in his presence before awakening. Darshan, sat-sang. He spent his life with a living Master all that time. And he did it in three years!! This is incredable incredible!!! He did the process! He is a Spiritual Hero. Like a Homeric Hero! Then of course some westerners knowing that, well they read some books. They understand a bit intellectually the book. They meditate one month saying OMMMM. And they attained! Ha ha ha! they did??? Is this possible!! Of course this is possible! As I said can one be greater than Master Nis Yes Ramana's enlightenment was in an instant and I know it is possible! The problem is that after attaining such an enlightenment those supposed enlighten (Not the masters) they speak stupid things and their teachings are the opposite teachings of the Masters? When I compare Master Nis and Ramana and Krishna and RamaKrishna and vivekananda and Osho it is all the same said in different words in different times! Osho is a great teacher he did all he could to help mankind. He never never said that there was nothing to do to be enlighten? He only said to drop every search... but at the end of the sadhana. He said not before!!! Ramana gave the Who am I quest! For me it was A quest. Does who did not do it say it is nothing! Nothing for them for sure! no results too! Master Nis says: Give up all questions except one: 'Who am I?' After all, the only fact you are sure of is that you are. The 'I am' is certain. The 'I am this' is not. Struggle to find out what you are in reality. To know what you are, you must first investigate and know what you are not. Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, time, space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you perceive can be you. The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you perceive. The clearer you understand that on the level of mind you can be described in negative terms only, the quicker will you come to the end of your search and realize that you are the limitless being. " Nisargadatta Maharaj Almost all the master say that you need to do something because you are trapped by the Ego. The buddha gave some instructions on how to attain freedom. Bodhidharma gave instruction too. Zen teachers give instructions too, they have zazen meditation. Etc. How come a lot of you say that all is done and that there is nothing to do? Bodhidharma traveled from India to China to bring the Buddha's teaching to china. When he arrived he was not pleased with what he saw. So he spent severals years in meditation. Then he started to teach big time. To teach??? Why??? what for??? was he stupid or what??? Didn't he know that all is done? The t'chan come from him. Zen (japan) comes from him! Why did he spent so much energy for nothing??? Almost none understood him! Why if there is nothing to understand? If we are all equal! No search is needed? The teachings were not in vain. And the zazen meditation technique was not in vain. The teachings reached us and helped us. All the master teached and you guys claim that there is nothing to teach, nothing to do. All is done? aaahhhh! All is done for the buddhas!!! Are you claiming being buddhas? If yes well lets rejoice! I still wonder... Why your non-teachings are soo different from the masters real teachings?? Odysseus, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > Spiritual fantasy! > > One man one day just like that said to him self. Hey Life isn't > funny at all. We suffer, we die. I don't like that! So the guy went > to see a very enlighten master. Well known. He asked the Master what > is the meaning of all this " life " " death " " pure consciousness " > stuff. The Master replyied don't worry it's just bull%$#@. Don't > bother with that. Don't waist your time searching. The man went home > and said to him self. Well, yeah, why spend so much time! He > attained Satori, enlightement!.... ha ha ha! Of course he married > and had a lot of children. Spend his life in Samadhi and attain > Nirvana because there was nothing to attain!!! ha ha ha! You are > going to make me cry of laughter!!! > > Who is naive! Me or some of you!! Please! ha ha! Pete why don't you > tell them how many years of meditation you spent! And you say there > is nothing to do! Who of you lived this fantasy! Who of you spent > few months and attain true Satori not imagined Satori? > > Do I believe this is possible... of course it is possible. But what > you don't seem to understand is if someone can do that he is greater > than master Nisargadatta. Who did a sadhana for three years. He got > the blessings of a true Enlighten Master! He spent three foul years > in his presence before awakening. Darshan, sat-sang. He spent his > life with a living Master all that time. And he did it in three > years!! This is incredable incredible!!! He did the process! He is a > Spiritual Hero. Like a Homeric Hero! > > Then of course some westerners knowing that, well they read some > books. They understand a bit intellectually the book. They meditate > one month saying OMMMM. And they attained! Ha ha ha! they did??? Is > this possible!! Of course this is possible! As I said can one be > greater than Master Nis Yes Ramana's enlightenment was in an instant > and I know it is possible! The problem is that after attaining such > an enlightenment those supposed enlighten (Not the masters) they > speak stupid things and their teachings are the opposite teachings > of the Masters? When I compare Master Nis and Ramana and Krishna and > RamaKrishna and vivekananda and Osho it is all the same said in > different words in different times! > > Osho is a great teacher he did all he could to help mankind. He > never never said that there was nothing to do to be enlighten? He > only said to drop every search... but at the end of the sadhana. He > said not before!!! Ramana gave the Who am I quest! For me it was A > quest. Does who did not do it say it is nothing! Nothing for them > for sure! no results too! > > Master Nis says: Give up all questions except one: 'Who am I?' > > After all, the only fact you are sure of is that you are. The 'I am' > is certain. The 'I am this' is not. Struggle to find out what you > are in reality. To know what you are, you must first investigate and > know what you are not. Discover all that you are not--body, > feelings, thoughts, time, space, this or that--nothing, concrete or > abstract, which you perceive can be you. The very act of perceiving > shows that you are not what you perceive. The clearer you understand > that on the level of mind you can be described in negative terms > only, the quicker will you come to the end of your search and > realize that you are the limitless being. " Nisargadatta Maharaj > > Almost all the master say that you need to do something because you > are trapped by the Ego. The buddha gave some instructions on how to > attain freedom. Bodhidharma gave instruction too. Zen teachers give > instructions too, they have zazen meditation. Etc. > > How come a lot of you say that all is done and that there is nothing > to do? Bodhidharma traveled from India to China to bring the > Buddha's teaching to china. When he arrived he was not pleased with > what he saw. So he spent severals years in meditation. Then he > started to teach big time. To teach??? Why??? what for??? was he > stupid or what??? Didn't he know that all is done? The t'chan come > from him. Zen (japan) comes from him! Why did he spent so much > energy for nothing??? Almost none understood him! Why if there is > nothing to understand? If we are all equal! No search is needed? > > The teachings were not in vain. And the zazen meditation technique > was not in vain. The teachings reached us and helped us. > > All the master teached and you guys claim that there is nothing to > teach, nothing to do. All is done? aaahhhh! > > All is done for the buddhas!!! Are you claiming being buddhas? If > yes well lets rejoice! I still wonder... Why your non-teachings are > soo different from the masters real teachings?? > > > Odysseus, Nisargadatta was a little borwn wizened Indian fellow......who sold cigarettes for a living. It was Life itself the used his body and vocal chords....encouraged other people to write down what came through him...finished him off with cancer.......and then somehow tricked you into picking up that big yellow book some fourty years later...... Isn't that a kick in the ass? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Odysseus wrote in part: All is done for the buddhas!!! Are you claiming being buddhas? If yes well lets rejoice! I still wonder... Why your non-teachings are soo different from the masters real teachings?? ROFL! What are *you* claiming, posting these tirades? Edge the blade at home in silence. Focus on that. And then.....post! Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > Odysseus wrote in part: > > > All is done for the buddhas!!! Are you claiming being buddhas? If > yes well lets rejoice! I still wonder... Why your non-teachings are > soo different from the masters real teachings?? > > > ROFL! > > > What are *you* claiming, posting these tirades? Edge the blade at > home in silence. Focus on that. And then.....post! > > > Kip Almazy **************************** Odysseus: I don't have a blade to edge. What is your silence? endless toughts? Controled thinking? I don't know. All I know for now is that you are a Grand thoughts Master. Not bad at all! :0) Odysseus, P.S. I'm not declaring War here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > Spiritual fantasy! > > > > One man one day just like that said to him self. Hey Life isn't > > funny at all. We suffer, we die. I don't like that! So the guy went > > to see a very enlighten master. Well known. He asked the Master what > > is the meaning of all this " life " " death " " pure consciousness " > > stuff. The Master replyied don't worry it's just bull%$#@. Don't > > bother with that. Don't waist your time searching. The man went home > > and said to him self. Well, yeah, why spend so much time! He > > attained Satori, enlightement!.... ha ha ha! Of course he married > > and had a lot of children. Spend his life in Samadhi and attain > > Nirvana because there was nothing to attain!!! ha ha ha! You are > > going to make me cry of laughter!!! > > > > Who is naive! Me or some of you!! Please! ha ha! Pete why don't you > > tell them how many years of meditation you spent! And you say there > > is nothing to do! Who of you lived this fantasy! Who of you spent > > few months and attain true Satori not imagined Satori? > > > > Do I believe this is possible... of course it is possible. But what > > you don't seem to understand is if someone can do that he is greater > > than master Nisargadatta. Who did a sadhana for three years. He got > > the blessings of a true Enlighten Master! He spent three foul years > > in his presence before awakening. Darshan, sat-sang. He spent his > > life with a living Master all that time. And he did it in three > > years!! This is incredable incredible!!! He did the process! He is a > > Spiritual Hero. Like a Homeric Hero! > > > > Then of course some westerners knowing that, well they read some > > books. They understand a bit intellectually the book. They meditate > > one month saying OMMMM. And they attained! Ha ha ha! they did??? Is > > this possible!! Of course this is possible! As I said can one be > > greater than Master Nis Yes Ramana's enlightenment was in an instant > > and I know it is possible! The problem is that after attaining such > > an enlightenment those supposed enlighten (Not the masters) they > > speak stupid things and their teachings are the opposite teachings > > of the Masters? When I compare Master Nis and Ramana and Krishna and > > RamaKrishna and vivekananda and Osho it is all the same said in > > different words in different times! > > > > Osho is a great teacher he did all he could to help mankind. He > > never never said that there was nothing to do to be enlighten? He > > only said to drop every search... but at the end of the sadhana. He > > said not before!!! Ramana gave the Who am I quest! For me it was A > > quest. Does who did not do it say it is nothing! Nothing for them > > for sure! no results too! > > > > Master Nis says: Give up all questions except one: 'Who am I?' > > > > After all, the only fact you are sure of is that you are. The 'I am' > > is certain. The 'I am this' is not. Struggle to find out what you > > are in reality. To know what you are, you must first investigate and > > know what you are not. Discover all that you are not--body, > > feelings, thoughts, time, space, this or that--nothing, concrete or > > abstract, which you perceive can be you. The very act of perceiving > > shows that you are not what you perceive. The clearer you understand > > that on the level of mind you can be described in negative terms > > only, the quicker will you come to the end of your search and > > realize that you are the limitless being. " Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > Almost all the master say that you need to do something because you > > are trapped by the Ego. The buddha gave some instructions on how to > > attain freedom. Bodhidharma gave instruction too. Zen teachers give > > instructions too, they have zazen meditation. Etc. > > > > How come a lot of you say that all is done and that there is nothing > > to do? Bodhidharma traveled from India to China to bring the > > Buddha's teaching to china. When he arrived he was not pleased with > > what he saw. So he spent severals years in meditation. Then he > > started to teach big time. To teach??? Why??? what for??? was he > > stupid or what??? Didn't he know that all is done? The t'chan come > > from him. Zen (japan) comes from him! Why did he spent so much > > energy for nothing??? Almost none understood him! Why if there is > > nothing to understand? If we are all equal! No search is needed? > > > > The teachings were not in vain. And the zazen meditation technique > > was not in vain. The teachings reached us and helped us. > > > > All the master teached and you guys claim that there is nothing to > > teach, nothing to do. All is done? aaahhhh! > > > > All is done for the buddhas!!! Are you claiming being buddhas? If > > yes well lets rejoice! I still wonder... Why your non-teachings are > > soo different from the masters real teachings?? > > > > > > Odysseus, > > ***************************************************> > Nisargadatta was a little borwn wizened Indian fellow......who sold cigarettes for a living. > > It was Life itself the used his body and vocal chords....encouraged other people to write down what came through him...finished him off with cancer.......and then somehow tricked you into picking up that big yellow book some fourty years later...... > > Isn't that a kick in the ass? > > > toombaru *********************************************** Toombaru, I like you, I " thought " you would understand me but I see that those clowns here have mixed you up and now you don't know which side to be. Yours or them? I see that you are now on their side. It is Ok, no problem. Old little confused sage man! Don't worry about me and my insults I'm just an illusion! Said the Thoughts little master from Nis web site. You said: and then somehow tricked you into picking up that big yellow book some fourty years later...... > > Isn't that a kick in the ass? ***** What now, Master Nis was not teaching the way to get free of all this, the road to the absolute? Now you are saying that he tricked me? I thought he wanted to free people not to trick people?? Oh man oh man I'm soo confused now I should go to meditate in Samadhi Oh no it is true you also don't believe in Samadhi. That exist only in books! Sorry! What else should I do? Oh I remember now. Nothing!! Ok I'll do nothing! I will surly awaken with those counsels. But I wonder. If I awaken with your counsels tomorrow are you going to kik my but tomorrow too??? ha ha ha! Young punks. I surly have a good time with you guys. Oh I FORGOT. Pete said That we don't exist. That I should understand that and shut up! Well If I don't exist, you won't mind the insults hein! And Toomb, for the kick in the ass don't worry I'm made of iron. Odysseus, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Spiritual fantasy! > > > > > > One man one day just like that said to him self. Hey Life isn't > > > funny at all. We suffer, we die. I don't like that! So the guy > went > > > to see a very enlighten master. Well known. He asked the Master > what > > > is the meaning of all this " life " " death " " pure consciousness " > > > stuff. The Master replyied don't worry it's just bull%$#@. Don't > > > bother with that. Don't waist your time searching. The man went > home > > > and said to him self. Well, yeah, why spend so much time! He > > > attained Satori, enlightement!.... ha ha ha! Of course he > married > > > and had a lot of children. Spend his life in Samadhi and attain > > > Nirvana because there was nothing to attain!!! ha ha ha! You are > > > going to make me cry of laughter!!! > > > > > > Who is naive! Me or some of you!! Please! ha ha! Pete why don't > you > > > tell them how many years of meditation you spent! And you say > there > > > is nothing to do! Who of you lived this fantasy! Who of you > spent > > > few months and attain true Satori not imagined Satori? > > > > > > Do I believe this is possible... of course it is possible. But > what > > > you don't seem to understand is if someone can do that he is > greater > > > than master Nisargadatta. Who did a sadhana for three years. He > got > > > the blessings of a true Enlighten Master! He spent three foul > years > > > in his presence before awakening. Darshan, sat-sang. He spent > his > > > life with a living Master all that time. And he did it in three > > > years!! This is incredable incredible!!! He did the process! He > is a > > > Spiritual Hero. Like a Homeric Hero! > > > > > > Then of course some westerners knowing that, well they read some > > > books. They understand a bit intellectually the book. They > meditate > > > one month saying OMMMM. And they attained! Ha ha ha! they did??? > Is > > > this possible!! Of course this is possible! As I said can one be > > > greater than Master Nis Yes Ramana's enlightenment was in an > instant > > > and I know it is possible! The problem is that after attaining > such > > > an enlightenment those supposed enlighten (Not the masters) they > > > speak stupid things and their teachings are the opposite > teachings > > > of the Masters? When I compare Master Nis and Ramana and Krishna > and > > > RamaKrishna and vivekananda and Osho it is all the same said in > > > different words in different times! > > > > > > Osho is a great teacher he did all he could to help mankind. He > > > never never said that there was nothing to do to be enlighten? > He > > > only said to drop every search... but at the end of the sadhana. > He > > > said not before!!! Ramana gave the Who am I quest! For me it was > A > > > quest. Does who did not do it say it is nothing! Nothing for > them > > > for sure! no results too! > > > > > > Master Nis says: Give up all questions except one: 'Who am I?' > > > > > > After all, the only fact you are sure of is that you are. The 'I > am' > > > is certain. The 'I am this' is not. Struggle to find out what > you > > > are in reality. To know what you are, you must first investigate > and > > > know what you are not. Discover all that you are not--body, > > > feelings, thoughts, time, space, this or that--nothing, concrete > or > > > abstract, which you perceive can be you. The very act of > perceiving > > > shows that you are not what you perceive. The clearer you > understand > > > that on the level of mind you can be described in negative terms > > > only, the quicker will you come to the end of your search and > > > realize that you are the limitless being. " Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > Almost all the master say that you need to do something because > you > > > are trapped by the Ego. The buddha gave some instructions on how > to > > > attain freedom. Bodhidharma gave instruction too. Zen teachers > give > > > instructions too, they have zazen meditation. Etc. > > > > > > How come a lot of you say that all is done and that there is > nothing > > > to do? Bodhidharma traveled from India to China to bring the > > > Buddha's teaching to china. When he arrived he was not pleased > with > > > what he saw. So he spent severals years in meditation. Then he > > > started to teach big time. To teach??? Why??? what for??? was he > > > stupid or what??? Didn't he know that all is done? The t'chan > come > > > from him. Zen (japan) comes from him! Why did he spent so much > > > energy for nothing??? Almost none understood him! Why if there > is > > > nothing to understand? If we are all equal! No search is needed? > > > > > > The teachings were not in vain. And the zazen meditation > technique > > > was not in vain. The teachings reached us and helped us. > > > > > > All the master teached and you guys claim that there is nothing > to > > > teach, nothing to do. All is done? aaahhhh! > > > > > > All is done for the buddhas!!! Are you claiming being buddhas? > If > > > yes well lets rejoice! I still wonder... Why your non-teachings > are > > > soo different from the masters real teachings?? > > > > > > > > > Odysseus, > > > > ***************************************************> > > Nisargadatta was a little borwn wizened Indian fellow......who > sold cigarettes for a living. > > > > It was Life itself the used his body and vocal > chords....encouraged other people to write down what came through > him...finished him off with cancer.......and then somehow tricked > you into picking up that big yellow book some fourty years > later...... > > > > Isn't that a kick in the ass? > > > > > > toombaru > *********************************************** > > Toombaru, I like you, I " thought " you would understand me but I see > that those clowns here have mixed you up and now you don't know > which side to be. Yours or them? I see that you are now on their > side. It is Ok, no problem. Old little confused sage man! Don't > worry about me and my insults I'm just an illusion! Said the > Thoughts little master from Nis web site. > > You said: and then somehow tricked you into picking up that big > yellow book some fourty years later...... > > > > Isn't that a kick in the ass? > ***** > What now, Master Nis was not teaching the way to get free of all > this, the road to the absolute? Now you are saying that he tricked > me? I thought he wanted to free people not to trick people?? Oh man > oh man I'm soo confused now I should go to meditate in Samadhi Oh no > it is true you also don't believe in Samadhi. That exist only in > books! Sorry! What else should I do? Oh I remember now. Nothing!! > Ok I'll do nothing! I will surly awaken with those counsels. > > But I wonder. If I awaken with your counsels tomorrow are you going > to kik my but tomorrow too??? ha ha ha! Young punks. I surly have a > good time with you guys. Oh I FORGOT. Pete said That we don't exist. > That I should understand that and shut up! Well If I don't exist, > you won't mind the insults hein! > > And Toomb, for the kick in the ass don't worry I'm made of iron. > Odysseus, The fitfull stupor.... is the natural condition of the identified entity. It is nothing other then solidified confusion. It is a self-referential clot of mnemonic reflections. It is the sole inhabitant of its own imaginary kingdom....... There is nothing it can do to escape its own dream of separation.......It has no existence outside of of its own conceptual delusions. Don't worry..........Life is self cleaning............ You are Life Itself....enjoying its self..... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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