SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDESTAND BETTER AND SUDDEN THE CONCEPT LIBERATION

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Hi people, I am Nirgunananda, how are you?

 

SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDESTAND BETTER AND SUDDEN THE CONCEPT LIBERATION:

 

TIME - there are the past time only, and in the mind only.

NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

SELF - is the Supreme Reality, you are That when you have no think, have the

sense " existing " only.

MIND - is a tool do create and to destroy.

EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by itself in its

steps.

OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and see all creation

in the mind like files and stands in itself seeing all with the sense " I AM " .

AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness and stands in

itself with the sense of existing only, the same that the Self..

 

TIME - there are the past time only.

There are no present time neither the future time.

All things " forms " human being etc. are created by the mind, and all are in the

past time, because are just created.

And the forms that are being creating? All forms are being creating in the past

time.

And the forms that will be create? The material, the ideas, intuitions,

insights, on so forth, are in the past time, and in the past will be created and

recreated.

Is the concept created, creating and all that will be created that give the idea

of past time, present time and future.

Lets see the simple example:

My body is from the past time, if a want a son, the son come from the past time,

from my body.

If I am waiting with anxiously my mind delude me and make me think in the

future because of the wait as long as the body is being formed.

When I am doing something, I am not in the present , I am in the past time yet,

but thinking that I am doing something, but I am no doing, the thing is doing by

itself by the law of cause and effect internal and external to me.

 

NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

Only get it the people that is in awareness, or in objective consciousness but

without attachment with the no one form.

From the now I see the mind and what is being doing within it, both internal and

external mind.

 

SELF - is the Supreme Reality, that stands beyond time, That stands in NOW.

When somebody take consciousness about of sense " existing " only, without no

identification with nothing and nobody. The Self is the being, consciousness of

being and plenitud of being.

 

MIND - is a tool do create and destroy, and it is within of all forms and bodies

and external to all like a cosmic mind.

 

EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by itself . The

ego are the thinks and a tool that give possibility to understand the nature and

inform to objective consciousness, but it is not conscious about the

consciousness.

 

OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and see all creation

in the mind like forms in the files and stands in itself seeing all the forms,

with the sense " I AM " . When there are no forms the objective consciousness

become itself in the awareness, and there are no more " I AM " .

When I want kow somethig within my mind I light it with my objective

consciousness and the same way when I want know something external I use my

senses.

 

AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness and stands in

itself with the sense of existing only.

Lets say it is like a process, like a spider that throw up from within itself a

web:

1 - from the awareness come out objective consciousness,

2 - from the objective consciousness come out the mind,

3 - from the mind come out the ego and,

4 - from the ego come out the time.

 

If anybody do not understand very well or do not agree, we can discuss about.

 

Namastê

Swami Nirgunananda

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda "

<nirgunananda@t...> wrote:

>

> Hi people, I am Nirgunananda, how are you?

>

> SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDESTAND BETTER AND SUDDEN THE CONCEPT LIBERATION:

>

> TIME - there are the past time only, and in the mind only.

> NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

> SELF - is the Supreme Reality, you are That when you have no think,

have the sense " existing " only.

> MIND - is a tool do create and to destroy.

> EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

itself in its steps.

> OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and see

all creation in the mind like files and stands in itself seeing all

with the sense " I AM " .

> AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness and

stands in itself with the sense of existing only, the same that the Self..

>

> TIME - there are the past time only.

> There are no present time neither the future time.

> All things " forms " human being etc. are created by the mind, and all

are in the past time, because are just created.

> And the forms that are being creating? All forms are being creating

in the past time.

> And the forms that will be create? The material, the ideas,

intuitions, insights, on so forth, are in the past time, and in the

past will be created and recreated.

> Is the concept created, creating and all that will be created that

give the idea of past time, present time and future.

> Lets see the simple example:

> My body is from the past time, if a want a son, the son come from

the past time, from my body.

> If I am waiting with anxiously my mind delude me and make me think

in the future because of the wait as long as the body is being formed.

> When I am doing something, I am not in the present , I am in the

past time yet, but thinking that I am doing something, but I am no

doing, the thing is doing by itself by the law of cause and effect

internal and external to me.

>

> NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

> Only get it the people that is in awareness, or in objective

consciousness but without attachment with the no one form.

> From the now I see the mind and what is being doing within it, both

internal and external mind.

>

> SELF - is the Supreme Reality, that stands beyond time, That stands

in NOW.

> When somebody take consciousness about of sense " existing " only,

without no identification with nothing and nobody. The Self is the

being, consciousness of being and plenitud of being.

>

> MIND - is a tool do create and destroy, and it is within of all

forms and bodies and external to all like a cosmic mind.

>

> EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

itself . The ego are the thinks and a tool that give possibility to

understand the nature and inform to objective consciousness, but it is

not conscious about the consciousness.

>

> OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and see

all creation in the mind like forms in the files and stands in itself

seeing all the forms, with the sense " I AM " . When there are no forms

the objective consciousness become itself in the awareness, and there

are no more " I AM " .

> When I want kow somethig within my mind I light it with my objective

consciousness and the same way when I want know something external I

use my senses.

>

> AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness and

stands in itself with the sense of existing only.

> Lets say it is like a process, like a spider that throw up from

within itself a web:

> 1 - from the awareness come out objective consciousness,

> 2 - from the objective consciousness come out the mind,

> 3 - from the mind come out the ego and,

> 4 - from the ego come out the time.

>

> If anybody do not understand very well or do not agree, we can

discuss about.

>

> Namastê

> Swami Nirgunananda

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Dear Swamiji,

 

0 - From the __?___ come out the awareness?

 

Is their a relation between AWARENESS and SELF? If so, what is the

relation?

 

 

Lewis

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda "

> <nirgunananda@t...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi people, I am Nirgunananda, how are you?

> >

> > SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDESTAND BETTER AND SUDDEN THE CONCEPT LIBERATION:

> >

> > TIME - there are the past time only, and in the mind only.

> > NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

> > SELF - is the Supreme Reality, you are That when you have no think,

> have the sense " existing " only.

> > MIND - is a tool do create and to destroy.

> > EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

> itself in its steps.

> > OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and see

> all creation in the mind like files and stands in itself seeing all

> with the sense " I AM " .

> > AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness and

> stands in itself with the sense of existing only, the same that the Self..

> >

> > TIME - there are the past time only.

> > There are no present time neither the future time.

> > All things " forms " human being etc. are created by the mind, and all

> are in the past time, because are just created.

> > And the forms that are being creating? All forms are being creating

> in the past time.

> > And the forms that will be create? The material, the ideas,

> intuitions, insights, on so forth, are in the past time, and in the

> past will be created and recreated.

> > Is the concept created, creating and all that will be created that

> give the idea of past time, present time and future.

> > Lets see the simple example:

> > My body is from the past time, if a want a son, the son come from

> the past time, from my body.

> > If I am waiting with anxiously my mind delude me and make me think

> in the future because of the wait as long as the body is being formed.

> > When I am doing something, I am not in the present , I am in the

> past time yet, but thinking that I am doing something, but I am no

> doing, the thing is doing by itself by the law of cause and effect

> internal and external to me.

> >

> > NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

> > Only get it the people that is in awareness, or in objective

> consciousness but without attachment with the no one form.

> > From the now I see the mind and what is being doing within it, both

> internal and external mind.

> >

> > SELF - is the Supreme Reality, that stands beyond time, That stands

> in NOW.

> > When somebody take consciousness about of sense " existing " only,

> without no identification with nothing and nobody. The Self is the

> being, consciousness of being and plenitud of being.

> >

> > MIND - is a tool do create and destroy, and it is within of all

> forms and bodies and external to all like a cosmic mind.

> >

> > EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

> itself . The ego are the thinks and a tool that give possibility to

> understand the nature and inform to objective consciousness, but it is

> not conscious about the consciousness.

> >

> > OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and see

> all creation in the mind like forms in the files and stands in itself

> seeing all the forms, with the sense " I AM " . When there are no forms

> the objective consciousness become itself in the awareness, and there

> are no more " I AM " .

> > When I want kow somethig within my mind I light it with my objective

> consciousness and the same way when I want know something external I

> use my senses.

> >

> > AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness and

> stands in itself with the sense of existing only.

> > Lets say it is like a process, like a spider that throw up from

> within itself a web:

> > 1 - from the awareness come out objective consciousness,

> > 2 - from the objective consciousness come out the mind,

> > 3 - from the mind come out the ego and,

> > 4 - from the ego come out the time.

> >

> > If anybody do not understand very well or do not agree, we can

> discuss about.

> >

> > Namastê

> > Swami Nirgunananda

 

 

 

 

Anything said about something that does not exist............is painting

shadows.

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Hi Swami,

I would be very interested to ask you few questions.

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda "

<nirgunananda@t...> wrote:

>

> Hi people, I am Nirgunananda, how are you?

>

> SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDERSTAND BETTER AND SUDDEN THE CONCEPT

LIBERATION:

>

> TIME - there are the past time only, and in the mind only.

 

 

Odysseus: Why the past, why not the present like most of the masters

here and now?

 

> NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

>

SELF - is the Supreme Reality, you are That when you have no think,

have the sense " existing " only.

 

Odysseus: What do you mean no think, Do you mean you can litteraly

stop the thinking process? Can you?

 

> MIND - is a tool do create and to destroy.

> EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

itself in its steps.

> OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and

see all creation in the mind like files and stands in itself seeing

all with the sense " I AM " .

> AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness

and stands in itself with the sense of existing only, the same that

the Self..

>

> TIME - there are the past time only.

 

Odysseus: ???

 

> There are no present time neither the future time.

> All things " forms " human being etc. are created by the mind, and

all are in the past time, because are just created.

> And the forms that are being creating? All forms are being

creating in the past time.

> And the forms that will be create? The material, the ideas,

intuitions, insights, on so forth, are in the past time, and in the

past will be created and recreated.

> Is the concept created, creating and all that will be created that

give the idea of past time, present time and future.

> Lets see the simple example:

> My body is from the past time, if a want a son, the son come from

the past time, from my body.

> If I am waiting with anxiously my mind delude me and make me

think in the future because of the wait as long as the body is being

formed.

> When I am doing something, I am not in the present , I am in the

past time yet, but thinking that I am doing something, but I am no

doing, the thing is doing by itself by the law of cause and effect

internal and external to me.

>

> NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

> Only get it the people that is in awareness, or in objective

consciousness but without attachment with the no one form.

> From the now I see the mind and what is being doing within it,

both internal and external mind.

>

> SELF - is the Supreme Reality, that stands beyond time, That

stands in NOW.

> When somebody take consciousness about of sense " existing " only,

without no identification with nothing and nobody. The Self is the

being, consciousness of being and plenitud of being.

>

> MIND - is a tool do create and destroy, and it is within of all

forms and bodies and external to all like a cosmic mind.

>

> EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

itself . The ego are the thinks and a tool that give possibility to

understand the nature and inform to objective consciousness, but it

is not conscious about the consciousness.

>

> OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and

see all creation in the mind like forms in the files and stands in

itself seeing all the forms, with the sense " I AM " . When there are

no forms the objective consciousness become itself in the awareness,

and there are no more " I AM " .

> When I want kow somethig within my mind I light it with my

objective consciousness and the same way when I want know something

external I use my senses.

>

> AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness

and stands in itself with the sense of existing only.

> Lets say it is like a process, like a spider that throw up from

within itself a web:

> 1 - from the awareness come out objective consciousness,

> 2 - from the objective consciousness come out the mind,

> 3 - from the mind come out the ego and,

> 4 - from the ego come out the time.

>

> If anybody do not understand very well or do not agree, we can

discuss about.

>

> Namastê

> Swami Nirgunananda

 

 

Namaste

Odysseus,

[Guest guest]

Dear Lewis

 

Lewis asked

0 - From the __?___ come out the awareness?

Is their a relation between AWARENESS and SELF? If so, what is the

relatio

 

Nirgunananda

The consciousness that identify the forms " all that are created " is objective

consciousness, it happen when the consciousness is seeing images in the file of

the mind " when you are thinking " is your consciousness that is seeing the

images, the same way when you are seeing a computer in front of you, is not your

eyes that is seeing and yes your consciousness; this is objective consciousness.

When is known to you how the mind works and how is the sense of the Self, that

sense like " existing only " withou identification with nothing and nobody, this

then is the AWARENESS. In awareness you become in the Self, but you can not say

how is it, but you can know. Then the objective consciousness is the

consciousness of the images of the mind both cosmic and human etc. and the

Awareness is the consciousness without images focussed just in the sense

" existing " . The awareness is called of the abstract consciousness, because it is

without movement, change, and in it has infinitive possibilities but, I call

awareness not the abstract consciousness, I call it of the concrete

consciousness because it dos not movement, change and has in it infinitive

possibilities.

So, answering your questions:

 

Is their a relation between AWARENESS and SELF? If so, what is the

relatio,

 

When you got awareness you got the SELF. It is no difficult because you just are

Awareness the Supreme Reality, only it.

 

Namastê

Nirgunananda

 

 

 

Namastê

Nirgunananda

 

 

-

Lewis Burgess

Nisargadatta

Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:08 PM

Re: SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDESTAND BETTER AND SUDDEN THE

CONCEPT LIBERATION

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda "

<nirgunananda@t...> wrote:

>

> Hi people, I am Nirgunananda, how are you?

>

> SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDESTAND BETTER AND SUDDEN THE CONCEPT LIBERATION:

>

> TIME - there are the past time only, and in the mind only.

> NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

> SELF - is the Supreme Reality, you are That when you have no think,

have the sense " existing " only.

> MIND - is a tool do create and to destroy.

> EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

itself in its steps.

> OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and see

all creation in the mind like files and stands in itself seeing all

with the sense " I AM " .

> AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness and

stands in itself with the sense of existing only, the same that the Self..

>

> TIME - there are the past time only.

> There are no present time neither the future time.

> All things " forms " human being etc. are created by the mind, and all

are in the past time, because are just created.

> And the forms that are being creating? All forms are being creating

in the past time.

> And the forms that will be create? The material, the ideas,

intuitions, insights, on so forth, are in the past time, and in the

past will be created and recreated.

> Is the concept created, creating and all that will be created that

give the idea of past time, present time and future.

> Lets see the simple example:

> My body is from the past time, if a want a son, the son come from

the past time, from my body.

> If I am waiting with anxiously my mind delude me and make me think

in the future because of the wait as long as the body is being formed.

> When I am doing something, I am not in the present , I am in the

past time yet, but thinking that I am doing something, but I am no

doing, the thing is doing by itself by the law of cause and effect

internal and external to me.

>

> NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

> Only get it the people that is in awareness, or in objective

consciousness but without attachment with the no one form.

> From the now I see the mind and what is being doing within it, both

internal and external mind.

>

> SELF - is the Supreme Reality, that stands beyond time, That stands

in NOW.

> When somebody take consciousness about of sense " existing " only,

without no identification with nothing and nobody. The Self is the

being, consciousness of being and plenitud of being.

>

> MIND - is a tool do create and destroy, and it is within of all

forms and bodies and external to all like a cosmic mind.

>

> EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

itself . The ego are the thinks and a tool that give possibility to

understand the nature and inform to objective consciousness, but it is

not conscious about the consciousness.

>

> OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and see

all creation in the mind like forms in the files and stands in itself

seeing all the forms, with the sense " I AM " . When there are no forms

the objective consciousness become itself in the awareness, and there

are no more " I AM " .

> When I want kow somethig within my mind I light it with my objective

consciousness and the same way when I want know something external I

use my senses.

>

> AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness and

stands in itself with the sense of existing only.

> Lets say it is like a process, like a spider that throw up from

within itself a web:

> 1 - from the awareness come out objective consciousness,

> 2 - from the objective consciousness come out the mind,

> 3 - from the mind come out the ego and,

> 4 - from the ego come out the time.

>

> If anybody do not understand very well or do not agree, we can

discuss about.

>

> Namastê

> Swami Nirgunananda

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Dear Swamiji,

 

0 - From the __?___ come out the awareness?

 

Is their a relation between AWARENESS and SELF? If so, what is the

relation?

 

 

Lewis

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Swamiji,

 

Thank you. The answers are understood and appreciated.

 

Is there only the SELF, Supreme Reality?

 

If yes, is the SELF that which animates the mind/body directing action?

 

If so, is not every mind/body animated by SELF " realized " to some degree?

 

If yes, what does the SELF do every day?

 

Since concepts, illusions have no agency and cannot read and act, are

all the postings done in this and any forum done by the SELF?

 

If this is so, how is it that the SELF is so " slow " and " dull " that it

cannot liberate (as you define it) itself from the gunas of the

mind/body as easy as it makes posts?

 

If the SELF animates the mind/body then is not killing and war and all

unpleasant actions done by the SELF?

 

Since all is illusion except SELF, is it the SELF, not the illusions,

that is " struggling and suffering " to be realized and expressed

through mind/body and to experience and manipulate sensation/material?

 

If this is so, is the following the biggest unrevealed or unknown

secret of all in the mystic and yogic traditions? - The SELF struggles

and suffers greatly to be incarnated in the mind/body as it is in

itself, but has failed to do so to this moment because the SELF, the

Supreme Reality, is imprisoned in each mind/body without the key?

 

And does SELF, being in such a predicament, as expressed and

manifested in minds/bodies, require relations of union with other

minds/bodies to achieve realization in each mind/body by finding the

key to the prison from others?

 

 

Lewis

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda "

<nirgunananda@t...> wrote:

> Dear Lewis

>

> Lewis asked

> 0 - From the __?___ come out the awareness?

> Is their a relation between AWARENESS and SELF? If so, what is the

> relatio

>

> Nirgunananda

> The consciousness that identify the forms " all that are created " is

objective consciousness, it happen when the consciousness is seeing

images in the file of the mind " when you are thinking " is your

consciousness that is seeing the images, the same way when you are

seeing a computer in front of you, is not your eyes that is seeing and

yes your consciousness; this is objective consciousness.

> When is known to you how the mind works and how is the sense of the

Self, that sense like " existing only " withou identification with

nothing and nobody, this then is the AWARENESS. In awareness you

become in the Self, but you can not say how is it, but you can know.

Then the objective consciousness is the consciousness of the images of

the mind both cosmic and human etc. and the Awareness is the

consciousness without images focussed just in the sense " existing " .

The awareness is called of the abstract consciousness, because it is

without movement, change, and in it has infinitive possibilities but,

I call awareness not the abstract consciousness, I call it of the

concrete consciousness because it dos not movement, change and has in

it infinitive possibilities.

> So, answering your questions:

>

> Is their a relation between AWARENESS and SELF? If so, what is the

> relatio,

>

> When you got awareness you got the SELF. It is no difficult because

you just are Awareness the Supreme Reality, only it.

>

> Namastê

> Nirgunananda

>

>

>

> Namastê

> Nirgunananda

>

>

> -

> Lewis Burgess

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:08 PM

> Re: SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDESTAND BETTER AND

SUDDEN THE CONCEPT LIBERATION

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda "

> <nirgunananda@t...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi people, I am Nirgunananda, how are you?

> >

> > SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDESTAND BETTER AND SUDDEN THE CONCEPT

LIBERATION:

> >

> > TIME - there are the past time only, and in the mind only.

> > NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

> > SELF - is the Supreme Reality, you are That when you have no think,

> have the sense " existing " only.

> > MIND - is a tool do create and to destroy.

> > EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

> itself in its steps.

> > OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and see

> all creation in the mind like files and stands in itself seeing all

> with the sense " I AM " .

> > AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness and

> stands in itself with the sense of existing only, the same that

the Self..

> >

> > TIME - there are the past time only.

> > There are no present time neither the future time.

> > All things " forms " human being etc. are created by the mind, and all

> are in the past time, because are just created.

> > And the forms that are being creating? All forms are being creating

> in the past time.

> > And the forms that will be create? The material, the ideas,

> intuitions, insights, on so forth, are in the past time, and in the

> past will be created and recreated.

> > Is the concept created, creating and all that will be created that

> give the idea of past time, present time and future.

> > Lets see the simple example:

> > My body is from the past time, if a want a son, the son come from

> the past time, from my body.

> > If I am waiting with anxiously my mind delude me and make me think

> in the future because of the wait as long as the body is being

formed.

> > When I am doing something, I am not in the present , I am in the

> past time yet, but thinking that I am doing something, but I am no

> doing, the thing is doing by itself by the law of cause and effect

> internal and external to me.

> >

> > NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

> > Only get it the people that is in awareness, or in objective

> consciousness but without attachment with the no one form.

> > From the now I see the mind and what is being doing within it, both

> internal and external mind.

> >

> > SELF - is the Supreme Reality, that stands beyond time, That stands

> in NOW.

> > When somebody take consciousness about of sense " existing " only,

> without no identification with nothing and nobody. The Self is the

> being, consciousness of being and plenitud of being.

> >

> > MIND - is a tool do create and destroy, and it is within of all

> forms and bodies and external to all like a cosmic mind.

> >

> > EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

> itself . The ego are the thinks and a tool that give possibility to

> understand the nature and inform to objective consciousness, but it is

> not conscious about the consciousness.

> >

> > OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and see

> all creation in the mind like forms in the files and stands in itself

> seeing all the forms, with the sense " I AM " . When there are no forms

> the objective consciousness become itself in the awareness, and there

> are no more " I AM " .

> > When I want kow somethig within my mind I light it with my objective

> consciousness and the same way when I want know something external I

> use my senses.

> >

> > AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness and

> stands in itself with the sense of existing only.

> > Lets say it is like a process, like a spider that throw up from

> within itself a web:

> > 1 - from the awareness come out objective consciousness,

> > 2 - from the objective consciousness come out the mind,

> > 3 - from the mind come out the ego and,

> > 4 - from the ego come out the time.

> >

> > If anybody do not understand very well or do not agree, we can

> discuss about.

> >

> > Namastê

> > Swami Nirgunananda

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Dear Swamiji,

>

> 0 - From the __?___ come out the awareness?

>

> Is their a relation between AWARENESS and SELF? If so, what is the

> relation?

>

>

> Lewis

>

>

>

>

>

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Anything said about something that does not exist............is painting

shadows.

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I agree with toombaru when there are not suffering, even to whom knows that,

becouse to whom does not understand are suffring and fear...

 

Namastê

Nirgunananda

 

 

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toombaru2004

Nisargadatta

Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:13 PM

Re: SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDESTAND BETTER AND SUDDEN THE

CONCEPT LIBERATION

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda "

> <nirgunananda@t...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi people, I am Nirgunananda, how are you?

> >

> > SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDESTAND BETTER AND SUDDEN THE CONCEPT LIBERATION:

> >

> > TIME - there are the past time only, and in the mind only.

> > NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

> > SELF - is the Supreme Reality, you are That when you have no think,

> have the sense " existing " only.

> > MIND - is a tool do create and to destroy.

> > EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

> itself in its steps.

> > OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and see

> all creation in the mind like files and stands in itself seeing all

> with the sense " I AM " .

> > AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness and

> stands in itself with the sense of existing only, the same that the Self..

> >

> > TIME - there are the past time only.

> > There are no present time neither the future time.

> > All things " forms " human being etc. are created by the mind, and all

> are in the past time, because are just created.

> > And the forms that are being creating? All forms are being creating

> in the past time.

> > And the forms that will be create? The material, the ideas,

> intuitions, insights, on so forth, are in the past time, and in the

> past will be created and recreated.

> > Is the concept created, creating and all that will be created that

> give the idea of past time, present time and future.

> > Lets see the simple example:

> > My body is from the past time, if a want a son, the son come from

> the past time, from my body.

> > If I am waiting with anxiously my mind delude me and make me think

> in the future because of the wait as long as the body is being formed.

> > When I am doing something, I am not in the present , I am in the

> past time yet, but thinking that I am doing something, but I am no

> doing, the thing is doing by itself by the law of cause and effect

> internal and external to me.

> >

> > NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

> > Only get it the people that is in awareness, or in objective

> consciousness but without attachment with the no one form.

> > From the now I see the mind and what is being doing within it, both

> internal and external mind.

> >

> > SELF - is the Supreme Reality, that stands beyond time, That stands

> in NOW.

> > When somebody take consciousness about of sense " existing " only,

> without no identification with nothing and nobody. The Self is the

> being, consciousness of being and plenitud of being.

> >

> > MIND - is a tool do create and destroy, and it is within of all

> forms and bodies and external to all like a cosmic mind.

> >

> > EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

> itself . The ego are the thinks and a tool that give possibility to

> understand the nature and inform to objective consciousness, but it is

> not conscious about the consciousness.

> >

> > OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and see

> all creation in the mind like forms in the files and stands in itself

> seeing all the forms, with the sense " I AM " . When there are no forms

> the objective consciousness become itself in the awareness, and there

> are no more " I AM " .

> > When I want kow somethig within my mind I light it with my objective

> consciousness and the same way when I want know something external I

> use my senses.

> >

> > AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness and

> stands in itself with the sense of existing only.

> > Lets say it is like a process, like a spider that throw up from

> within itself a web:

> > 1 - from the awareness come out objective consciousness,

> > 2 - from the objective consciousness come out the mind,

> > 3 - from the mind come out the ego and,

> > 4 - from the ego come out the time.

> >

> > If anybody do not understand very well or do not agree, we can

> discuss about.

> >

> > Namastê

> > Swami Nirgunananda

 

 

 

 

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Hi Odysseus

 

Odysseus:

Why the past, why not the present like most of the masters here and now?

 

Nirgunananda

Because the concept past, present and future is of the mind, and the presente

can not be here and now; " can be here only in the mind " .

Now is beyond the time.

Now is for exemple if you know that you are the Self and are looking throrgh the

window and the mind is out side the window, for the mind that is seeing itsefl

in that exactly moment is PRESENT, but for the Sefl is no time, he stands beyond

time, then is ipossible for the Sef is in present, and yes in the Now, but

remenber the Now stands beyond time.

 

SELF - is the Supreme Reality, you are That when you have no think,

have the sense " existing " only.

 

Odysseus: What do you mean no think, Do you mean you can litteraly

stop the thinking process? Can you?

 

Nirgunananda

Yes I and everybody can, from 2 ways.

1- only observing the thinks is no think, is observing.

2 - when your mind be void, empty, blank.

 

 

Namastê

Swami Nirgunananda

 

 

-

ilikezen2004

Nisargadatta

Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:19 PM

Re: SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDESTAND BETTER AND SUDDEN THE

CONCEPT LIBERATION

 

 

 

 

Hi Swami,

I would be very interested to ask you few questions.

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda "

<nirgunananda@t...> wrote:

>

> Hi people, I am Nirgunananda, how are you?

>

> SOME QUESTIONS TO UNDERSTAND BETTER AND SUDDEN THE CONCEPT

LIBERATION:

>

> TIME - there are the past time only, and in the mind only.

 

 

Odysseus: Why the past, why not the present like most of the masters

here and now?

 

> NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

>

SELF - is the Supreme Reality, you are That when you have no think,

have the sense " existing " only.

 

Odysseus: What do you mean no think, Do you mean you can litteraly

stop the thinking process? Can you?

 

> MIND - is a tool do create and to destroy.

> EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

itself in its steps.

> OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and

see all creation in the mind like files and stands in itself seeing

all with the sense " I AM " .

> AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness

and stands in itself with the sense of existing only, the same that

the Self..

>

> TIME - there are the past time only.

 

Odysseus: ???

 

> There are no present time neither the future time.

> All things " forms " human being etc. are created by the mind, and

all are in the past time, because are just created.

> And the forms that are being creating? All forms are being

creating in the past time.

> And the forms that will be create? The material, the ideas,

intuitions, insights, on so forth, are in the past time, and in the

past will be created and recreated.

> Is the concept created, creating and all that will be created that

give the idea of past time, present time and future.

> Lets see the simple example:

> My body is from the past time, if a want a son, the son come from

the past time, from my body.

> If I am waiting with anxiously my mind delude me and make me

think in the future because of the wait as long as the body is being

formed.

> When I am doing something, I am not in the present , I am in the

past time yet, but thinking that I am doing something, but I am no

doing, the thing is doing by itself by the law of cause and effect

internal and external to me.

>

> NOW - it is not time, it is beyond time.

> Only get it the people that is in awareness, or in objective

consciousness but without attachment with the no one form.

> From the now I see the mind and what is being doing within it,

both internal and external mind.

>

> SELF - is the Supreme Reality, that stands beyond time, That

stands in NOW.

> When somebody take consciousness about of sense " existing " only,

without no identification with nothing and nobody. The Self is the

being, consciousness of being and plenitud of being.

>

> MIND - is a tool do create and destroy, and it is within of all

forms and bodies and external to all like a cosmic mind.

>

> EGO - Is the several step of the mind that think all was create by

itself . The ego are the thinks and a tool that give possibility to

understand the nature and inform to objective consciousness, but it

is not conscious about the consciousness.

>

> OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS - is the power that create the mind and

see all creation in the mind like forms in the files and stands in

itself seeing all the forms, with the sense " I AM " . When there are

no forms the objective consciousness become itself in the awareness,

and there are no more " I AM " .

> When I want kow somethig within my mind I light it with my

objective consciousness and the same way when I want know something

external I use my senses.

>

> AWARENESS - is the power that create the objective consciousness

and stands in itself with the sense of existing only.

> Lets say it is like a process, like a spider that throw up from

within itself a web:

> 1 - from the awareness come out objective consciousness,

> 2 - from the objective consciousness come out the mind,

> 3 - from the mind come out the ego and,

> 4 - from the ego come out the time.

>

> If anybody do not understand very well or do not agree, we can

discuss about.

>

> Namastê

> Swami Nirgunananda

 

 

Namaste

Odysseus,

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Swamiji,

>

> Thank you. The answers are understood and appreciated.

>

> Is there only the SELF, Supreme Reality?

>

> If yes, is the SELF that which animates the mind/body directing

action?

>

> If so, is not every mind/body animated by SELF " realized " to some

degree?

>

> If yes, what does the SELF do every day?

>

> Since concepts, illusions have no agency and cannot read and act,

are

> all the postings done in this and any forum done by the SELF?

>

> If this is so, how is it that the SELF is so " slow " and " dull "

that it

> cannot liberate (as you define it) itself from the gunas of the

> mind/body as easy as it makes posts?

>

> If the SELF animates the mind/body then is not killing and war and

all

> unpleasant actions done by the SELF?

>

> Since all is illusion except SELF, is it the SELF, not the

illusions,

> that is " struggling and suffering " to be realized and expressed

> through mind/body and to experience and manipulate

sensation/material?

>

> If this is so, is the following the biggest unrevealed or unknown

> secret of all in the mystic and yogic traditions? - The SELF

struggles

> and suffers greatly to be incarnated in the mind/body as it is in

> itself, but has failed to do so to this moment because the SELF,

the

> Supreme Reality, is imprisoned in each mind/body without the key?

>

> And does SELF, being in such a predicament, as expressed and

> manifested in minds/bodies, require relations of union with other

> minds/bodies to achieve realization in each mind/body by finding

the

> key to the prison from others?

>

>

> Lewis

>

>

** Up against the wall, motherfucker!

 

;+}

[Guest guest]

kenj02001 wrote:

 

>

> Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Swamiji,

> >

> > Thank you. The answers are understood and appreciated.

> >

> > Is there only the SELF, Supreme Reality?

> >

> > If yes, is the SELF that which animates the mind/body directing

> action?

> >

> > If so, is not every mind/body animated by SELF " realized " to some

> degree?

> >

> > If yes, what does the SELF do every day?

> >

> > Since concepts, illusions have no agency and cannot read and act,

> are

> > all the postings done in this and any forum done by the SELF?

> >

> > If this is so, how is it that the SELF is so " slow " and " dull "

> that it

> > cannot liberate (as you define it) itself from the gunas of the

> > mind/body as easy as it makes posts?

> >

> > If the SELF animates the mind/body then is not killing and war and

> all

> > unpleasant actions done by the SELF?

> >

> > Since all is illusion except SELF, is it the SELF, not the

> illusions,

> > that is " struggling and suffering " to be realized and expressed

> > through mind/body and to experience and manipulate

> sensation/material?

> >

> > If this is so, is the following the biggest unrevealed or unknown

> > secret of all in the mystic and yogic traditions? - The SELF

> struggles

> > and suffers greatly to be incarnated in the mind/body as it is in

> > itself, but has failed to do so to this moment because the SELF,

> the

> > Supreme Reality, is imprisoned in each mind/body without the key?

> >

> > And does SELF, being in such a predicament, as expressed and

> > manifested in minds/bodies, require relations of union with other

> > minds/bodies to achieve realization in each mind/body by finding

> the

> > key to the prison from others?

> >

> >

> > Lewis

> >

> >

> ** Up against the wall, motherfucker!

>

> ;+}

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

* *

\

0 (Oh mau na!)

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...>

wrote:

>

>

> kenj02001 wrote:

>

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Swamiji,

> > >

> > > Thank you. The answers are understood and appreciated.

> > >

> > > Is there only the SELF, Supreme Reality?

> > >

> > > If yes, is the SELF that which animates the mind/body

directing

> > action?

> > >

> > > If so, is not every mind/body animated by SELF " realized " to

some

> > degree?

> > >

> > > If yes, what does the SELF do every day?

> > >

> > > Since concepts, illusions have no agency and cannot read and

act,

> > are

> > > all the postings done in this and any forum done by the SELF?

> > >

> > > If this is so, how is it that the SELF is so " slow " and " dull "

> > that it

> > > cannot liberate (as you define it) itself from the gunas of

the

> > > mind/body as easy as it makes posts?

> > >

> > > If the SELF animates the mind/body then is not killing and

war and

> > all

> > > unpleasant actions done by the SELF?

> > >

> > > Since all is illusion except SELF, is it the SELF, not the

> > illusions,

> > > that is " struggling and suffering " to be realized and

expressed

> > > through mind/body and to experience and manipulate

> > sensation/material?

> > >

> > > If this is so, is the following the biggest unrevealed or

unknown

> > > secret of all in the mystic and yogic traditions? - The SELF

> > struggles

> > > and suffers greatly to be incarnated in the mind/body as it

is in

> > > itself, but has failed to do so to this moment because the

SELF,

> > the

> > > Supreme Reality, is imprisoned in each mind/body without the

key?

> > >

> > > And does SELF, being in such a predicament, as expressed and

> > > manifested in minds/bodies, require relations of union with

other

> > > minds/bodies to achieve realization in each mind/body by

finding

> > the

> > > key to the prison from others?

> > >

> > >

> > > Lewis

> > >

> > >

> > ** Up against the wall, motherfucker!

> >

> > ;+}

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> * *

> \

> 0 (Oh mau na!)

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

** Vulgar, yes...

 

What I was thinking was:

" Futility is playing at a theater near you. "

 

Oy!

[Guest guest]

kenj02001 wrote:

 

>

> Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > kenj02001 wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Swamiji,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you. The answers are understood and appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Is there only the SELF, Supreme Reality?

> > > >

> > > > If yes, is the SELF that which animates the mind/body

> directing

> > > action?

> > > >

> > > > If so, is not every mind/body animated by SELF " realized " to

> some

> > > degree?

> > > >

> > > > If yes, what does the SELF do every day?

> > > >

> > > > Since concepts, illusions have no agency and cannot read and

> act,

> > > are

> > > > all the postings done in this and any forum done by the SELF?

> > > >

> > > > If this is so, how is it that the SELF is so " slow " and " dull "

> > > that it

> > > > cannot liberate (as you define it) itself from the gunas of

> the

> > > > mind/body as easy as it makes posts?

> > > >

> > > > If the SELF animates the mind/body then is not killing and

> war and

> > > all

> > > > unpleasant actions done by the SELF?

> > > >

> > > > Since all is illusion except SELF, is it the SELF, not the

> > > illusions,

> > > > that is " struggling and suffering " to be realized and

> expressed

> > > > through mind/body and to experience and manipulate

> > > sensation/material?

> > > >

> > > > If this is so, is the following the biggest unrevealed or

> unknown

> > > > secret of all in the mystic and yogic traditions? - The SELF

> > > struggles

> > > > and suffers greatly to be incarnated in the mind/body as it

> is in

> > > > itself, but has failed to do so to this moment because the

> SELF,

> > > the

> > > > Supreme Reality, is imprisoned in each mind/body without the

> key?

> > > >

> > > > And does SELF, being in such a predicament, as expressed and

> > > > manifested in minds/bodies, require relations of union with

> other

> > > > minds/bodies to achieve realization in each mind/body by

> finding

> > > the

> > > > key to the prison from others?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Lewis

> > > >

> > > >

> > > ** Up against the wall, motherfucker!

> > >

> > > ;+}

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > * *

> > \

> > 0 (Oh mau na!)

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> ** Vulgar, yes...

>

> What I was thinking was:

> " Futility is playing at a theater near you. "

>

> Oy!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Tongue in cheek Master Ken. Tongue in cheek. The burst of hearty

laughter upon reading those well-imaged words was thunderous.

 

Eeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaa!

 

The theater is full and the patrons await the performance.