Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 This is the problem one faces if one becomes a Swami... People tend to assume that Swamis know more and know everything abt God etc . Based on this assumption they start asking questions after reading scriptures.They Say Chap X, or they refer to bible etc. So there are more and more of doubts / questions , never silence and understanding. Next the Swami feels delighted as the question is referring to a scripture which he has already read. As Ramana once advised, " This Swamitvam is Very difficult, Never become a Swami , Iam speaking after 50yrs of experience " . :) Murali, Lewis Burgess [lbb10] Wednesday, December 29, 2004 12:33 PM Nisargadatta Re: Real & virtual space Dear Swami Nirgunananda, The answers given are understood and since you have the title Swami, there are more questions. What is personality? Who is Swami Nirgunananda? What does the name Swami Nirgunananda represent? Is the name Swami Nirgunananda the same as any other name or is it different? If yes, how so? Does the name Swami Nirgunananda represent a lot of feelings about the mind/body only? If yes, how is it so, If not, how is it so? It is written in the Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 14 that the gunas are of the body and that each guna is a form of bondage, originating in and binding the self to the body. Is this where you read and learned of the gunas? How did you learn about the gunas? From this sacred scripture, it seems that the gunas are of the mind/body as are feelings. So it can be asked, can there be feelings or gunas without a mind/body? Are gunas of the mind/body? Are feelings equal to gunas or are they something else? What are the origins of feelings, the origins of the three gunas? It is written and said the origin of the three gunas lies in prakriti or material nature or world. If this is so, then are not the gunas of the mind/body " material " in nature as it held in the non-absolute monistic yogic teachings? Do you to the concepts of prakriti and the gunas? What is Swamiji's full understanding of the gunas and prakriti? Lewis Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > Hello Lewis (here is Swami Nirgunananda) > > Lewis > How did the name Lewis come to represent " a lot of feelings from the > mind and body only? > > Nirgunanada > the name Lewis come to represente " a lot of feeling from the mind and body only, by the personality. > > Lewis > What feelings are being referred to? > > Nirgunananda > The feelings that you thing you are, you to refer to yourself. > > Lewis > Is it possible that feelings originate from that which is not > mind/body? If yes, how so? If not, what is meant by the statement > made. If something else please describe. > > Nirgunanada > Yes. It is possible that feelings are originated from which is not mind/body. The felling are clear in its origin that become modificated itself by contact with the elements of the nature " GUNAS " , Sattva, Rajas and Tamas or rather (Sattva=inteligence=goodness), (Rajas=energy= passion) and (Tamas=mass=ignorance). It is with the interlace of the gunas that occur the difference of feelings. > > Lewis > To whom or to what does that name, Lewis, represent a lot of feelings > from the mind and body only? > > > Nirgunananda > To yourself and to world that you thing communicate. > > > Namastê > Nirgunananda > > - > Lewis Burgess > Nisargadatta > Monday, December 27, 2004 5:09 PM > Re: Real & virtual space > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > Lewis is a name that represents a lot of feelings from de mind/body > olnly. > > > > Namastê > > Nirgunananda > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Agreed. Lewis is a name that represents a lot of feelings from the > mind and body only. > > Nirgunananda, please respond to the following questions: > > How did the name Lewis come to represent " a lot of feelings from the > mind and body only? > > What feelings are being referred to? > > Is it possible that feelings originate from that which is not > mind/body? If yes, how so? If not, what is meant by the statement > made. If something else please describe. > > To whom or to what does that name, Lewis, represent a lot of feelings > from the mind and body only? > > > Lewis > > > > > > - > > Lewis Burgess > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, December 24, 2004 7:03 PM > > Re: Real & virtual space > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > > TO:LEWIS > > > FROM:Swami Nirgunananda > > > I would like answer to Lewis about his questions below : > > > > > > Lewis > > > Who put " me " into mechanical slavery? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > Nobody put you into mechanical slavery. You think that you are into > > mechanical slavery. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Did " I " put " my self " into slavery? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > You put when you think that you are into slavery. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Can " I " liberate " my self, " throw off the chains? " > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > No. You can not, there are not liberate, are thinks about prison. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Or does someone liberate " me? " > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > No one can liberate you, you must believe that you are not into > slavery. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is it a cooperative venture between " me " and another " I " or is it > > " me " and a " no me " ? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > No it is not, because there are no you, neither other you, no I > > neither other I. There are no even one, these things of one, two etc, > > is of the mind. There are the sense of constant " BEING " , the other > > questions about " I " , " You " , " We " etc is of the mind, not of you, > > because you are the Supreme Reality that stands beyond of the mind. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is " someone " being liberated or is it change in interior states? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > It is change of concepts of the mind, only. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is it possible to be liberated? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > No it is not possible to be liberated, because You just are > > liberated, is your mind that think on the contrary. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is liberation necessary? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > Is necessary you understand that you just are liberated. The > > question of prison is of your mind, only. > > > > > > Lewis > > > What is liberation? Is it a concept, a goal, a state, an experience? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > Liberation is not a concept, a goal, a state neither an experience. > > Liberation is to see the things like the things are: without > > permanence and without proper essence and substance; or rather the > > things have not proper existence. > > > Lewis pay attention, see and feel: you are that sense " I AM, the > > same sense when you were a child, a teen age, a young, an adult and a > > old, " THAT " the same sense " I AM " are you. But the sense " I am a boy, > > a old, a young, or I am mother, father, intellectual, a boss, a man, a > > woman etc is the mind, no you, ok? > > > All the other words, things and concepts are of the mind, remember > > that you are not the mind/body, you are the SELF,you are THAT, which > > has no name, only awareness. > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > Namastê > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Dear Swami Nirgunananda, > > > > Who is Lewis? ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Hi Murali, you are right. Is not the name that represents the Self, but is the Self that represents the name.. The people really tend do assume that Swamis know more and know everything about God etc. but is the Swami that know or not, not the people, because the Swami do not assume anything " in my case " . The Swami do not make questions if not go to help people, because the questions is not more valid to him, he just answer questions that are asked only. I do not know noting about scriptures, I only know what I am. All the scriptures and Gods to me are died, because I named myself a Swami Advaita, but the truth is that you are the Supreme Reality and I do not know if you know it, but I know that I am. I have no doubts about everything, and I do not know more nothing beyond my self. I am the silence and understanding, after my understanding about the concept liberation, I stand myself two years in silence and forget all the mind. Today I answer some questions because the answer is within the question, because Advaita is discernment and discernment is the Swami that are within of everybody, but everybody do not know discernment because yours senses are to out not to in. The Swami's Advaita do not see as the scripture which is already read, no. The Swami's Advaita knows very well the mind that produces the film of life of the people, but his life, the mind can not produce. For you my dear friend understand better, the Swami's Advaita knows very well that the mind is several scripture to imprison all people, because each civilization wants maintain its people slavery. All civilization has three creators: 1 - creator of empire 2 - creator of fortune and, 3 - creator of religion and the people have to pay with your life do maintain that creators. The creator of empire nowadays are the politician that..... The creator of fortune are the owner of the earth that.... The creator of religion are the Swamis, pastors, priests, on so on, that imprison everybody with yours scriptures and make a lot of money...is this way that you thing? If so, you are right. But you must know that the Swami Advaita is that which do not want nothing from anybody, he express himself only to give a better concept to liberates people that do not believe him. Yes, you can not believe me, you MUST ask what is the better way to know yourself, that with the experience that I had " not that I have " , I can only say: my friend, how about tray this, or that. But this or that must refer to your senses, your feelings, ok? I never say Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramakrishna, Jesus, Gods etc., say this or say that, I say only what I know that all is concepts only. About the time, the years as you sad: " I am speaking after 50yrs of experience " , sorry I have no experience, all experience is from the mind, I only observe the mind, I never have born, but the name is only to represent me, " That " which stand beyond the mind/body, ok?. Namastê Swami Nirgunananda - Ramanath, Murali H (GE Healthcare) Nisargadatta Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:35 AM Swamitvam This is the problem one faces if one becomes a Swami... People tend to assume that Swamis know more and know everything abt God etc . Based on this assumption they start asking questions after reading scriptures.They Say Chap X, or they refer to bible etc. So there are more and more of doubts / questions , never silence and understanding. Next the Swami feels delighted as the question is referring to a scripture which he has already read. As Ramana once advised, " This Swamitvam is Very difficult, Never become a Swami , Iam speaking after 50yrs of experience " . :) Murali, Lewis Burgess [lbb10] Wednesday, December 29, 2004 12:33 PM Nisargadatta Re: Real & virtual space Dear Swami Nirgunananda, The answers given are understood and since you have the title Swami, there are more questions. What is personality? Who is Swami Nirgunananda? What does the name Swami Nirgunananda represent? Is the name Swami Nirgunananda the same as any other name or is it different? If yes, how so? Does the name Swami Nirgunananda represent a lot of feelings about the mind/body only? If yes, how is it so, If not, how is it so? It is written in the Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 14 that the gunas are of the body and that each guna is a form of bondage, originating in and binding the self to the body. Is this where you read and learned of the gunas? How did you learn about the gunas? From this sacred scripture, it seems that the gunas are of the mind/body as are feelings. So it can be asked, can there be feelings or gunas without a mind/body? Are gunas of the mind/body? Are feelings equal to gunas or are they something else? What are the origins of feelings, the origins of the three gunas? It is written and said the origin of the three gunas lies in prakriti or material nature or world. If this is so, then are not the gunas of the mind/body " material " in nature as it held in the non-absolute monistic yogic teachings? Do you to the concepts of prakriti and the gunas? What is Swamiji's full understanding of the gunas and prakriti? Lewis Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > Hello Lewis (here is Swami Nirgunananda) > > Lewis > How did the name Lewis come to represent " a lot of feelings from the > mind and body only? > > Nirgunanada > the name Lewis come to represente " a lot of feeling from the mind and body only, by the personality. > > Lewis > What feelings are being referred to? > > Nirgunananda > The feelings that you thing you are, you to refer to yourself. > > Lewis > Is it possible that feelings originate from that which is not > mind/body? If yes, how so? If not, what is meant by the statement > made. If something else please describe. > > Nirgunanada > Yes. It is possible that feelings are originated from which is not mind/body. The felling are clear in its origin that become modificated itself by contact with the elements of the nature " GUNAS " , Sattva, Rajas and Tamas or rather (Sattva=inteligence=goodness), (Rajas=energy= passion) and (Tamas=mass=ignorance). It is with the interlace of the gunas that occur the difference of feelings. > > Lewis > To whom or to what does that name, Lewis, represent a lot of feelings > from the mind and body only? > > > Nirgunananda > To yourself and to world that you thing communicate. > > > Namastê > Nirgunananda > > - > Lewis Burgess > Nisargadatta > Monday, December 27, 2004 5:09 PM > Re: Real & virtual space > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > Lewis is a name that represents a lot of feelings from de mind/body > olnly. > > > > Namastê > > Nirgunananda > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Agreed. Lewis is a name that represents a lot of feelings from the > mind and body only. > > Nirgunananda, please respond to the following questions: > > How did the name Lewis come to represent " a lot of feelings from the > mind and body only? > > What feelings are being referred to? > > Is it possible that feelings originate from that which is not > mind/body? If yes, how so? If not, what is meant by the statement > made. If something else please describe. > > To whom or to what does that name, Lewis, represent a lot of feelings > from the mind and body only? > > > Lewis > > > > > > - > > Lewis Burgess > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, December 24, 2004 7:03 PM > > Re: Real & virtual space > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > > TO:LEWIS > > > FROM:Swami Nirgunananda > > > I would like answer to Lewis about his questions below : > > > > > > Lewis > > > Who put " me " into mechanical slavery? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > Nobody put you into mechanical slavery. You think that you are into > > mechanical slavery. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Did " I " put " my self " into slavery? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > You put when you think that you are into slavery. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Can " I " liberate " my self, " throw off the chains? " > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > No. You can not, there are not liberate, are thinks about prison. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Or does someone liberate " me? " > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > No one can liberate you, you must believe that you are not into > slavery. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is it a cooperative venture between " me " and another " I " or is it > > " me " and a " no me " ? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > No it is not, because there are no you, neither other you, no I > > neither other I. There are no even one, these things of one, two etc, > > is of the mind. There are the sense of constant " BEING " , the other > > questions about " I " , " You " , " We " etc is of the mind, not of you, > > because you are the Supreme Reality that stands beyond of the mind. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is " someone " being liberated or is it change in interior states? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > It is change of concepts of the mind, only. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is it possible to be liberated? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > No it is not possible to be liberated, because You just are > > liberated, is your mind that think on the contrary. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is liberation necessary? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > Is necessary you understand that you just are liberated. The > > question of prison is of your mind, only. > > > > > > Lewis > > > What is liberation? Is it a concept, a goal, a state, an experience? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > Liberation is not a concept, a goal, a state neither an experience. > > Liberation is to see the things like the things are: without > > permanence and without proper essence and substance; or rather the > > things have not proper existence. > > > Lewis pay attention, see and feel: you are that sense " I AM, the > > same sense when you were a child, a teen age, a young, an adult and a > > old, " THAT " the same sense " I AM " are you. But the sense " I am a boy, > > a old, a young, or I am mother, father, intellectual, a boss, a man, a > > woman etc is the mind, no you, ok? > > > All the other words, things and concepts are of the mind, remember > > that you are not the mind/body, you are the SELF,you are THAT, which > > has no name, only awareness. > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > Namastê > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Dear Swami Nirgunananda, > > > > Who is Lewis? ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Ramanath, Murali H (GE Healthcare) wrote: > This is the problem one faces if one becomes a Swami... > People tend to assume that Swamis know more and know everything abt God > etc . > Based on this assumption they start asking questions after reading > scriptures.They Say Chap X, or they refer to bible etc. > So there are more and more of doubts / questions , never silence and > understanding. > Next the Swami feels delighted as the question is referring to a > scripture which he has already read. > > As Ramana once advised, " This Swamitvam is Very difficult, Never become > a Swami , Iam speaking after 50yrs of experience " . > :) > > Murali, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How is it known by Murali that Swami Nirgunananda does not know all things or that the student knows not silence? Are these not assumptions? Is the experience of delight and joy forbidden? Is quoting the hearsay of Ramana different than quoting scripture? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Lewis Burgess [lbb10] > Wednesday, December 29, 2004 12:33 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: Real & virtual space > > > > Dear Swami Nirgunananda, > > The answers given are understood and since you have the title Swami, > there are more questions. > > What is personality? > > Who is Swami Nirgunananda? > > What does the name Swami Nirgunananda represent? > > Is the name Swami Nirgunananda the same as any other name or is it > different? If yes, how so? > > Does the name Swami Nirgunananda represent a lot of feelings about the > mind/body only? If yes, how is it so, If not, how is it so? > > It is written in the Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 14 that the gunas are of > the body and that each guna is a form of bondage, originating in and > binding the self to the body. > > Is this where you read and learned of the gunas? How did you learn > about the gunas? > > >From this sacred scripture, it seems that the gunas are of the > mind/body as are feelings. > > So it can be asked, can there be feelings or gunas without a > mind/body? Are gunas of the mind/body? Are feelings equal to gunas or > are they something else? What are the origins of feelings, the origins > of the three gunas? > > It is written and said the origin of the three gunas lies in prakriti > or material nature or world. If this is so, then are not the gunas of > the mind/body " material " in nature as it held in the non-absolute > monistic yogic teachings? Do you to the concepts of prakriti > and the gunas? > > What is Swamiji's full understanding of the gunas and prakriti? > > Lewis > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > Hello Lewis (here is Swami Nirgunananda) > > > > Lewis > > How did the name Lewis come to represent " a lot of feelings from the > > mind and body only? > > > > Nirgunanada > > the name Lewis come to represente " a lot of feeling from the mind > and body only, by the personality. > > > > Lewis > > What feelings are being referred to? > > > > Nirgunananda > > The feelings that you thing you are, you to refer to yourself. > > > > Lewis > > Is it possible that feelings originate from that which is not > > mind/body? If yes, how so? If not, what is meant by the statement > > made. If something else please describe. > > > > Nirgunanada > > Yes. It is possible that feelings are originated from which is not > mind/body. The felling are clear in its origin that become modificated > itself by contact with the elements of the nature " GUNAS " , Sattva, > Rajas and Tamas or rather (Sattva=inteligence=goodness), > (Rajas=energy= passion) and (Tamas=mass=ignorance). It is with the > interlace of the gunas that occur the difference of feelings. > > > > Lewis > > To whom or to what does that name, Lewis, represent a lot of feelings > > from the mind and body only? > > > > > > Nirgunananda > > To yourself and to world that you thing communicate. > > > > > > Namastê > > Nirgunananda > > > > - > > Lewis Burgess > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, December 27, 2004 5:09 PM > > Re: Real & virtual space > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > > Lewis is a name that represents a lot of feelings from de mind/body > > olnly. > > > > > > Namastê > > > Nirgunananda > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Agreed. Lewis is a name that represents a lot of feelings from the > > mind and body only. > > > > Nirgunananda, please respond to the following questions: > > > > How did the name Lewis come to represent " a lot of feelings from the > > mind and body only? > > > > What feelings are being referred to? > > > > Is it possible that feelings originate from that which is not > > mind/body? If yes, how so? If not, what is meant by the statement > > made. If something else please describe. > > > > To whom or to what does that name, Lewis, represent a lot of feelings > > from the mind and body only? > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Lewis Burgess > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, December 24, 2004 7:03 PM > > > Re: Real & virtual space > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > > TO:LEWIS > > > > FROM:Swami Nirgunananda > > > > I would like answer to Lewis about his questions below : > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Who put " me " into mechanical slavery? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > Nobody put you into mechanical slavery. You think that you > are into > > > mechanical slavery. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Did " I " put " my self " into slavery? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > You put when you think that you are into slavery. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Can " I " liberate " my self, " throw off the chains? " > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > No. You can not, there are not liberate, are thinks about > prison. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Or does someone liberate " me? " > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > No one can liberate you, you must believe that you are not into > > slavery. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Is it a cooperative venture between " me " and another " I " or > is it > > > " me " and a " no me " ? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > No it is not, because there are no you, neither other you, no I > > > neither other I. There are no even one, these things of one, > two etc, > > > is of the mind. There are the sense of constant " BEING " , the other > > > questions about " I " , " You " , " We " etc is of the mind, not of you, > > > because you are the Supreme Reality that stands beyond of the > mind. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Is " someone " being liberated or is it change in interior states? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > It is change of concepts of the mind, only. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Is it possible to be liberated? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > No it is not possible to be liberated, because You just are > > > liberated, is your mind that think on the contrary. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Is liberation necessary? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > Is necessary you understand that you just are liberated. The > > > question of prison is of your mind, only. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > What is liberation? Is it a concept, a goal, a state, an > experience? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > Liberation is not a concept, a goal, a state neither an > experience. > > > Liberation is to see the things like the things are: without > > > permanence and without proper essence and substance; or rather the > > > things have not proper existence. > > > > Lewis pay attention, see and feel: you are that sense " I AM, the > > > same sense when you were a child, a teen age, a young, an > adult and a > > > old, " THAT " the same sense " I AM " are you. But the sense " I > am a boy, > > > a old, a young, or I am mother, father, intellectual, a boss, > a man, a > > > woman etc is the mind, no you, ok? > > > > All the other words, things and concepts are of the mind, > remember > > > that you are not the mind/body, you are the SELF,you are THAT, > which > > > has no name, only awareness. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > > > Namastê > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Dear Swami Nirgunananda, > > > > > > Who is Lewis? ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 My Dear Friend, I have gone through your postings and yes i understand you want to genuinely share your discovery ! My comment was definitely not directed at you - or your understanding ! 1> It was directed at this concept of becoming swamis and people running at them to get their problems solved ! 2> Also when you have gone beyond Name why Change Names?? 3> Also when you have gone beyond Gunas why Identify and say Iam beyond Gunas ?? Thanks for your clarification ! Cheers ! Murali, Nirgunananda [nirgunananda] Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:07 PM Nisargadatta Re: Swamitvam Hi Murali, you are right. Is not the name that represents the Self, but is the Self that represents the name.. The people really tend do assume that Swamis know more and know everything about God etc. but is the Swami that know or not, not the people, because the Swami do not assume anything " in my case " . The Swami do not make questions if not go to help people, because the questions is not more valid to him, he just answer questions that are asked only. I do not know noting about scriptures, I only know what I am. All the scriptures and Gods to me are died, because I named myself a Swami Advaita, but the truth is that you are the Supreme Reality and I do not know if you know it, but I know that I am. I have no doubts about everything, and I do not know more nothing beyond my self. I am the silence and understanding, after my understanding about the concept liberation, I stand myself two years in silence and forget all the mind. Today I answer some questions because the answer is within the question, because Advaita is discernment and discernment is the Swami that are within of everybody, but everybody do not know discernment because yours senses are to out not to in. The Swami's Advaita do not see as the scripture which is already read, no. The Swami's Advaita knows very well the mind that produces the film of life of the people, but his life, the mind can not produce. For you my dear friend understand better, the Swami's Advaita knows very well that the mind is several scripture to imprison all people, because each civilization wants maintain its people slavery. All civilization has three creators: 1 - creator of empire 2 - creator of fortune and, 3 - creator of religion and the people have to pay with your life do maintain that creators. The creator of empire nowadays are the politician that..... The creator of fortune are the owner of the earth that.... The creator of religion are the Swamis, pastors, priests, on so on, that imprison everybody with yours scriptures and make a lot of money...is this way that you thing? If so, you are right. But you must know that the Swami Advaita is that which do not want nothing from anybody, he express himself only to give a better concept to liberates people that do not believe him. Yes, you can not believe me, you MUST ask what is the better way to know yourself, that with the experience that I had " not that I have " , I can only say: my friend, how about tray this, or that. But this or that must refer to your senses, your feelings, ok? I never say Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramakrishna, Jesus, Gods etc., say this or say that, I say only what I know that all is concepts only. About the time, the years as you sad: " I am speaking after 50yrs of experience " , sorry I have no experience, all experience is from the mind, I only observe the mind, I never have born, but the name is only to represent me, " That " which stand beyond the mind/body, ok?. Namastê Swami Nirgunananda - Ramanath, Murali H (GE Healthcare) Nisargadatta Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:35 AM Swamitvam This is the problem one faces if one becomes a Swami... People tend to assume that Swamis know more and know everything abt God etc . Based on this assumption they start asking questions after reading scriptures.They Say Chap X, or they refer to bible etc. So there are more and more of doubts / questions , never silence and understanding. Next the Swami feels delighted as the question is referring to a scripture which he has already read. As Ramana once advised, " This Swamitvam is Very difficult, Never become a Swami , Iam speaking after 50yrs of experience " . :) Murali, Lewis Burgess [lbb10] Wednesday, December 29, 2004 12:33 PM Nisargadatta Re: Real & virtual space Dear Swami Nirgunananda, The answers given are understood and since you have the title Swami, there are more questions. What is personality? Who is Swami Nirgunananda? What does the name Swami Nirgunananda represent? Is the name Swami Nirgunananda the same as any other name or is it different? If yes, how so? Does the name Swami Nirgunananda represent a lot of feelings about the mind/body only? If yes, how is it so, If not, how is it so? It is written in the Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 14 that the gunas are of the body and that each guna is a form of bondage, originating in and binding the self to the body. Is this where you read and learned of the gunas? How did you learn about the gunas? From this sacred scripture, it seems that the gunas are of the mind/body as are feelings. So it can be asked, can there be feelings or gunas without a mind/body? Are gunas of the mind/body? Are feelings equal to gunas or are they something else? What are the origins of feelings, the origins of the three gunas? It is written and said the origin of the three gunas lies in prakriti or material nature or world. If this is so, then are not the gunas of the mind/body " material " in nature as it held in the non-absolute monistic yogic teachings? Do you to the concepts of prakriti and the gunas? What is Swamiji's full understanding of the gunas and prakriti? Lewis Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > Hello Lewis (here is Swami Nirgunananda) > > Lewis > How did the name Lewis come to represent " a lot of feelings from the > mind and body only? > > Nirgunanada > the name Lewis come to represente " a lot of feeling from the mind and body only, by the personality. > > Lewis > What feelings are being referred to? > > Nirgunananda > The feelings that you thing you are, you to refer to yourself. > > Lewis > Is it possible that feelings originate from that which is not > mind/body? If yes, how so? If not, what is meant by the statement > made. If something else please describe. > > Nirgunanada > Yes. It is possible that feelings are originated from which is not mind/body. The felling are clear in its origin that become modificated itself by contact with the elements of the nature " GUNAS " , Sattva, Rajas and Tamas or rather (Sattva=inteligence=goodness), (Rajas=energy= passion) and (Tamas=mass=ignorance). It is with the interlace of the gunas that occur the difference of feelings. > > Lewis > To whom or to what does that name, Lewis, represent a lot of feelings > from the mind and body only? > > > Nirgunananda > To yourself and to world that you thing communicate. > > > Namastê > Nirgunananda > > - > Lewis Burgess > Nisargadatta > Monday, December 27, 2004 5:09 PM > Re: Real & virtual space > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > Lewis is a name that represents a lot of feelings from de mind/body > olnly. > > > > Namastê > > Nirgunananda > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Agreed. Lewis is a name that represents a lot of feelings from the > mind and body only. > > Nirgunananda, please respond to the following questions: > > How did the name Lewis come to represent " a lot of feelings from the > mind and body only? > > What feelings are being referred to? > > Is it possible that feelings originate from that which is not > mind/body? If yes, how so? If not, what is meant by the statement > made. If something else please describe. > > To whom or to what does that name, Lewis, represent a lot of feelings > from the mind and body only? > > > Lewis > > > > > > - > > Lewis Burgess > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, December 24, 2004 7:03 PM > > Re: Real & virtual space > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > > TO:LEWIS > > > FROM:Swami Nirgunananda > > > I would like answer to Lewis about his questions below : > > > > > > Lewis > > > Who put " me " into mechanical slavery? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > Nobody put you into mechanical slavery. You think that you are into > > mechanical slavery. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Did " I " put " my self " into slavery? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > You put when you think that you are into slavery. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Can " I " liberate " my self, " throw off the chains? " > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > No. You can not, there are not liberate, are thinks about prison. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Or does someone liberate " me? " > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > No one can liberate you, you must believe that you are not into > slavery. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is it a cooperative venture between " me " and another " I " or is it > > " me " and a " no me " ? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > No it is not, because there are no you, neither other you, no I > > neither other I. There are no even one, these things of one, two etc, > > is of the mind. There are the sense of constant " BEING " , the other > > questions about " I " , " You " , " We " etc is of the mind, not of you, > > because you are the Supreme Reality that stands beyond of the mind. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is " someone " being liberated or is it change in interior states? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > It is change of concepts of the mind, only. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is it possible to be liberated? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > No it is not possible to be liberated, because You just are > > liberated, is your mind that think on the contrary. > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is liberation necessary? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > Is necessary you understand that you just are liberated. The > > question of prison is of your mind, only. > > > > > > Lewis > > > What is liberation? Is it a concept, a goal, a state, an experience? > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > Liberation is not a concept, a goal, a state neither an experience. > > Liberation is to see the things like the things are: without > > permanence and without proper essence and substance; or rather the > > things have not proper existence. > > > Lewis pay attention, see and feel: you are that sense " I AM, the > > same sense when you were a child, a teen age, a young, an adult and a > > old, " THAT " the same sense " I AM " are you. But the sense " I am a boy, > > a old, a young, or I am mother, father, intellectual, a boss, a man, a > > woman etc is the mind, no you, ok? > > > All the other words, things and concepts are of the mind, remember > > that you are not the mind/body, you are the SELF,you are THAT, which > > has no name, only awareness. > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > Namastê > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Dear Swami Nirgunananda, > > > > Who is Lewis? ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Hi Murali!! Yes Murali, all that we said is for the concepts only. Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > My Dear Friend, > I have gone through your postings and yes i understand you want to genuinely share your discovery ! > My comment was definitely not directed at you - or your understanding ! > 1> It was directed at this concept of becoming swamis and people > running at them to get their problems solved ! > 2> Also when you have gone beyond Name why Change Names?? > 3> Also when you have gone beyond Gunas why Identify and say Iam beyond Gunas ?? > > Thanks for your clarification ! > Cheers ! > Murali, > > > > Nirgunananda [nirgunananda@t...] > Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:07 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: Swamitvam > > > Hi Murali, you are right. > Is not the name that represents the Self, but is the Self that represents the name.. > The people really tend do assume that Swamis know more and know everything about God etc. but is the Swami that know or not, not the people, because the Swami do not assume anything " in my case " . > The Swami do not make questions if not go to help people, because the questions is not more valid to him, he just answer questions that are asked only. > I do not know noting about scriptures, I only know what I am. All the scriptures and Gods to me are died, because I named myself a Swami Advaita, but the truth is that you are the Supreme Reality and I do not know if you know it, but I know that I am. > I have no doubts about everything, and I do not know more nothing beyond my self. > I am the silence and understanding, after my understanding about the concept liberation, I stand myself two years in silence and forget all the mind. Today I answer some questions because the answer is within the question, because Advaita is discernment and discernment is the Swami that are within of everybody, but everybody do not know discernment because yours senses are to out not to in. > The Swami's Advaita do not see as the scripture which is already read, no. The Swami's Advaita knows very well the mind that produces the film of life of the people, but his life, the mind can not produce. > For you my dear friend understand better, the Swami's Advaita knows very well that the mind is several scripture to imprison all people, because each civilization wants maintain its people slavery. All civilization has three creators: > 1 - creator of empire > 2 - creator of fortune and, > 3 - creator of religion > and the people have to pay with your life do maintain that creators. > The creator of empire nowadays are the politician that..... > The creator of fortune are the owner of the earth that.... > The creator of religion are the Swamis, pastors, priests, on so on, that imprison everybody with yours scriptures and make a lot of money...is this way that you thing? If so, you are right. But you must know that the Swami Advaita is that which do not want nothing from anybody, he express himself only to give a better concept to liberates people that do not believe him. Yes, you can not believe me, you MUST ask what is the better way to know yourself, that with the experience that I had " not that I have " , I can only say: my friend, how about tray this, or that. But this or that must refer to your senses, your feelings, ok? > I never say Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramakrishna, Jesus, Gods etc., say this or say that, I say only what I know that all is concepts only. > About the time, the years as you sad: " I am speaking after 50yrs of experience " , sorry I have no experience, all experience is from the mind, I only observe the mind, I never have born, but the name is only to represent me, " That " which stand beyond the mind/body, ok?. > > Namastê > Swami Nirgunananda > > > - > Ramanath, Murali H (GE Healthcare) > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:35 AM > Swamitvam > > > This is the problem one faces if one becomes a Swami... > People tend to assume that Swamis know more and know everything abt God etc . > Based on this assumption they start asking questions after reading scriptures.They Say Chap X, or they refer to bible etc. > So there are more and more of doubts / questions , never silence and understanding. > Next the Swami feels delighted as the question is referring to a scripture which he has already read. > > As Ramana once advised, " This Swamitvam is Very difficult, Never become a Swami , Iam speaking after 50yrs of experience " . > :) > > Murali, > Lewis Burgess [lbb10@c...] > Wednesday, December 29, 2004 12:33 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: Real & virtual space > > > > Dear Swami Nirgunananda, > > The answers given are understood and since you have the title Swami, > there are more questions. > > What is personality? > > Who is Swami Nirgunananda? > > What does the name Swami Nirgunananda represent? > > Is the name Swami Nirgunananda the same as any other name or is it > different? If yes, how so? > > Does the name Swami Nirgunananda represent a lot of feelings about the > mind/body only? If yes, how is it so, If not, how is it so? > > It is written in the Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 14 that the gunas are of > the body and that each guna is a form of bondage, originating in and > binding the self to the body. > > Is this where you read and learned of the gunas? How did you learn > about the gunas? > > From this sacred scripture, it seems that the gunas are of the > mind/body as are feelings. > > So it can be asked, can there be feelings or gunas without a > mind/body? Are gunas of the mind/body? Are feelings equal to gunas or > are they something else? What are the origins of feelings, the origins > of the three gunas? > > It is written and said the origin of the three gunas lies in prakriti > or material nature or world. If this is so, then are not the gunas of > the mind/body " material " in nature as it held in the non-absolute > monistic yogic teachings? Do you to the concepts of prakriti > and the gunas? > > What is Swamiji's full understanding of the gunas and prakriti? > > Lewis > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > Hello Lewis (here is Swami Nirgunananda) > > > > Lewis > > How did the name Lewis come to represent " a lot of feelings from the > > mind and body only? > > > > Nirgunanada > > the name Lewis come to represente " a lot of feeling from the mind > and body only, by the personality. > > > > Lewis > > What feelings are being referred to? > > > > Nirgunananda > > The feelings that you thing you are, you to refer to yourself. > > > > Lewis > > Is it possible that feelings originate from that which is not > > mind/body? If yes, how so? If not, what is meant by the statement > > made. If something else please describe. > > > > Nirgunanada > > Yes. It is possible that feelings are originated from which is not > mind/body. The felling are clear in its origin that become modificated > itself by contact with the elements of the nature " GUNAS " , Sattva, > Rajas and Tamas or rather (Sattva=inteligence=goodness), > (Rajas=energy= passion) and (Tamas=mass=ignorance). It is with the > interlace of the gunas that occur the difference of feelings. > > > > Lewis > > To whom or to what does that name, Lewis, represent a lot of feelings > > from the mind and body only? > > > > > > Nirgunananda > > To yourself and to world that you thing communicate. > > > > > > Namastê > > Nirgunananda > > > > - > > Lewis Burgess > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, December 27, 2004 5:09 PM > > Re: Real & virtual space > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > > Lewis is a name that represents a lot of feelings from de mind/body > > olnly. > > > > > > Namastê > > > Nirgunananda > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Agreed. Lewis is a name that represents a lot of feelings from the > > mind and body only. > > > > Nirgunananda, please respond to the following questions: > > > > How did the name Lewis come to represent " a lot of feelings from the > > mind and body only? > > > > What feelings are being referred to? > > > > Is it possible that feelings originate from that which is not > > mind/body? If yes, how so? If not, what is meant by the statement > > made. If something else please describe. > > > > To whom or to what does that name, Lewis, represent a lot of feelings > > from the mind and body only? > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Lewis Burgess > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, December 24, 2004 7:03 PM > > > Re: Real & virtual space > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > > TO:LEWIS > > > > FROM:Swami Nirgunananda > > > > I would like answer to Lewis about his questions below : > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Who put " me " into mechanical slavery? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > Nobody put you into mechanical slavery. You think that you > are into > > > mechanical slavery. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Did " I " put " my self " into slavery? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > You put when you think that you are into slavery. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Can " I " liberate " my self, " throw off the chains? " > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > No. You can not, there are not liberate, are thinks about > prison. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Or does someone liberate " me? " > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > No one can liberate you, you must believe that you are not into > > slavery. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Is it a cooperative venture between " me " and another " I " or > is it > > > " me " and a " no me " ? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > No it is not, because there are no you, neither other you, no I > > > neither other I. There are no even one, these things of one, > two etc, > > > is of the mind. There are the sense of constant " BEING " , the other > > > questions about " I " , " You " , " We " etc is of the mind, not of you, > > > because you are the Supreme Reality that stands beyond of the > mind. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Is " someone " being liberated or is it change in interior states? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > It is change of concepts of the mind, only. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Is it possible to be liberated? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > No it is not possible to be liberated, because You just are > > > liberated, is your mind that think on the contrary. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Is liberation necessary? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > Is necessary you understand that you just are liberated. The > > > question of prison is of your mind, only. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > What is liberation? Is it a concept, a goal, a state, an > experience? > > > > > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > Liberation is not a concept, a goal, a state neither an > experience. > > > Liberation is to see the things like the things are: without > > > permanence and without proper essence and substance; or rather the > > > things have not proper existence. > > > > Lewis pay attention, see and feel: you are that sense " I AM, the > > > same sense when you were a child, a teen age, a young, an > adult and a > > > old, " THAT " the same sense " I AM " are you. But the sense " I > am a boy, > > > a old, a young, or I am mother, father, intellectual, a boss, > a man, a > > > woman etc is the mind, no you, ok? > > > > All the other words, things and concepts are of the mind, > remember > > > that you are not the mind/body, you are the SELF,you are THAT, > which > > > has no name, only awareness. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > > > Namastê > > > > Swami Nirgunananda > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Dear Swami Nirgunananda, > > > > > > Who is Lewis? ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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