Kip said clearly

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy>

wrote:

>

> Eric wrote:

>

>

> Then my symbole is mine and no one tells me i am not enlightened

> or i am not that or not in possession of my own meaning ...

>

>

>

> In effect, if you prefer to see it this way. I just look from

> slightly different angle into this matter. We are just

the " effect "

> of such symbols (signifiers) as well as, those, telling you that

you

> are not in possesion of something or not enlightened or realized

> are, also, effects of symbols (signifiers). Conducted by symbols

> like in an imaginary puppet-play. Here, again, the Lacanian

concept

> of the mirror stage seems to work. The imaginary is the realm of

> subjective experience, the world as it appears to the subject.

Lacan

> explains the genesis of the Imaginary in the Mirror Stage. The

> archaic experience in which the infant encounters his or her

> reflection in the gaze of the other (mother). From that moment on,

> both the child's perception of the world and his fantasies will be

> informed by the experience of such a gaze [it constitutes

> simultaneously also the entrance into the realm of objects and

> subjects; the subject is seen through the gaze of the other for

the

> first time, the subject becomes simultaneously an object]. This

> demonstrates how dependent we are and will be then from that gaze

> and gazes in general. Critique, for example, can be experienced as

a

> fragmentation of this primordial reflection; a critical, clinical

> gaze (always seemingly coming from an other) doesn't correspond to

> the overwhelming and exuberant experience of wholeness of the

> primordial reflection.

>

> In short, as you see, we depend on each other regarding our

> subjective homeostasis in the imaginary display of this puppet-

> theater. But, it is a misconception, an " artificially " created

> scenery in spite of everything, generated in the Mirror Stage. It

> belongs to the imaginary, as well as, you and me are

just " effects "

> of signifiers, symbols or/and conditionings. We became " someone

> elses " in the Mirror Stage.

>

>

>

> Kip Almazy

 

As one feels sensitive to breathing's weight or lightness and the

various qualities of sounds, as also becomes pungent and culturally

informant the taste of every bit of sensory information in the ocean

of which your opinion, my opinion, their opinion (and especially

about me) is replaced in its original relativity.

(culture is acquired taste, body weight has a cultural impact as

anything else)

[thanks for the articulate answer Kip - appreciated -!]