Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Nirvana means extinction, whereby there is no longer a self or even a universal consciousness... Nirvana es cuando tu ya no eres. Hay camino, peron no hay nadie quien camina... Vaya con Dios --- Caminamos <caminamosnet wrote: > Peace is achieved by living peacefully: moving > ourselves, speaking and thinking more slowly. Those > who cultivate peace open for themselves and the > others > the doors of Nirvana. > > http://www.wewalk.net > > > > ____________ > Renovamos el Correo : ¡250 MB GRATIS! > Nuevos servicios, más seguridad > http://correo..es > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 In a message dated 1/4/05 7:16:47 PM, cptc writes: > That which never was........can never not be. > > > t. > P: Really Toom, Does the phrase above sound logical to you. Do you you think you said anything? And if so, what? To me it looks the 2nd part of the sentence denies the first, of course, I'm not privy to arcane toombo logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , Mila <makalm> wrote: > > Nirvana means extinction, whereby there is no longer a > self or even a universal consciousness... > That which never was........can never not be. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 1/4/05 7:16:47 PM, cptc@w... writes: > > > > > > > That which never was........can never not be. > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > P: Really Toom, Does the phrase above sound logical to you. > > Do you you think you said anything? And if so, what? > > To me it looks the 2nd part of the sentence denies > > the first, of course, I'm not privy to arcane toombo logic. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/4/05 7:16:47 PM, cptc@w... writes: > > > > That which never was........can never not be. > > > > > > t. > > > > P: Really Toom, Does the phrase above sound logical to you. > Do you you think you said anything? And if so, what? > To me it looks the 2nd part of the sentence denies > the first, of course, I'm not privy to arcane toombo logic. Dear pedsie, I will try to help you. By saying " x does not exist " you are saying " x has existed " . Otherwise you would not be able to put " x " into the formula. You can also go further and say that non-existence cannot be formulated, because once you formulate it it does exist. Think about it, it is one of the basics. Greetings S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 1/4/05 7:16:47 PM, cptc@w... writes: > > > > > > > That which never was........can never not be. > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > P: Really Toom, Does the phrase above sound logical to you. > > Do you you think you said anything? And if so, what? > > To me it looks the 2nd part of the sentence denies > > the first, of course, I'm not privy to arcane toombo logic. > > Dear pedsie, I will try to help you. By saying " x does not exist " > you are saying " x has existed " . Otherwise you would not be able to put > " x " into the formula. You can also go further and say that > non-existence cannot be formulated, because once you formulate it it > does exist. Think about it, it is one of the basics. > > Greetings > S. Brilliant! Newness. Everything is always new, never the same as it was. The statement " 2 + 2 = 4 " is true, but that statement is not the same as the statement " 2 + 2 = 4 " . Even the first statement is not the same as the first statement. Impermanence in a nutshell. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 In a message dated 1/4/05 7:39:55 PM, cptc writes: > >Mila said " > > > " Nirvana means extinction whereby ther is no longer a self........ " > > > >There is......in that statement that there was a self but once nirvana > (what ever that is)...is >attained....there is no longer a self. > P: So your mis-understanding resides in that you take the self as being an entity, the self is a mis-interpretation of mental activity. What disapears is the wrong interpretation, leaving behind disconnected mental activity. It's like when you are under the impression that there is a lake up ahead in the middle of the road, but on getting closer, you see it was a mirage. The shimering in the air due to heat is still there, but the illusion of water is gone. Old pigeon addresed this, in his conversation with Joe at NDP, quite nicely. I hope you read that. > > >Since we all know by now that there never was or ever could be such a thing > as a self...there is >absolutely no conceivable way that it could cease to > be. > P: I know what you are trying to say, but you are not saying right. What you're trying to say is, what doesn't exist, doesn't need to be destroyed. In reality, anything that can be thought of, or imagined has to have, at least, conceptual existence. P: again, the mis-interpretation is the one that ceases. > > > " .....or even Universal Consciousness. " > > > >I didn't address this above...but since we are here.......there cound be no > such thing as universal >consciousness...... > P: Yes. There is no such thing. > > > That is just a fancy word for god....... > > > > Any questions? > > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/4/05 7:39:55 PM, cptc@w... writes: > > > > >Mila said " > > > > > " Nirvana means extinction whereby ther is no longer a self........ " > > > > > > >There is......in that statement that there was a self but once nirvana > > (what ever that is)...is >attained....there is no longer a self. > > > P: So your mis-understanding resides in that you take the self as > being an entity, the self > is a mis-interpretation of mental activity. What disapears is the > wrong interpretation, > leaving behind disconnected mental activity. It's like when you > are under the impression > that there is a lake up ahead in the middle of the road, but on > getting closer, you see it was > a mirage. The shimering in the air due to heat is still there, but the > illusion of water is gone. > Old pigeon addresed this, in his conversation with Joe at NDP, > quite nicely. I hope you read > that. > > > > > > >Since we all know by now that there never was or ever could be such a thing > > as a self...there is >absolutely no conceivable way that it could cease to > > be. > > > P: I know what you are trying to say, but you are not saying right. What > you're trying to say > is, what doesn't exist, doesn't need to be destroyed. In reality, anything > that can be thought > of, or imagined has to have, at least, conceptual existence. > Every " thing " exists only as a concept. Nothing exists in isolation. ........nothing exists....... .......a mountain......a river......the state of Texas....... the self that is so fond of being...... nothing. t. > P: again, the mis-interpretation is the one that ceases. > > > > > " .....or even Universal Consciousness. " > > > > > > >I didn't address this above...but since we are here.......there cound be no > > such thing as universal >consciousness...... > > > P: Yes. There is no such thing. > > > > > > That is just a fancy word for god....... > > > > > > > > Any questions? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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