Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Hi friends, When reading posts of a list, or having a direct talk with someone, all reactions one feels are just in one's head - nowhere else. The problem is the interpretation of a stimulus and not the stimus itself. Here is some text I found on a Douglas Harding list and in my eyes it also fits well here to this Niz list. Maybe one has to read it once more to grasp it because D.H. has his own way to express his views. Werner ------------------- Emptiness becoming things Is never seeing true. Abandon all opinion To get a proper view. Seng T'san (The thírd patriarch) " But also, where as I thought clarity would be served - I called it Space, or more precisely, Space for that scene to happen in. An unhappy phrase for it seemed to say that I had found above the Bottom Line the world's content, and below it the World's container, and that they were thus separable. The merest glance should have shown me that all the world in one piece - container and content undivided belongs above the line, and that there it's never served up short of room for itself. Happily, the mistake did not lie in the basic experience but in my interpretation of it. The lie belonged to the meaning of what I saw and not to the Seeing itself. In time, I learned that there exists no bolt hole or bunker below the line, that my life is lived above ground willy nilly, and that if I'm to be free of the world and its troubles it is by being them. I have ceased to be any kind of container at all, but instead am content with my content. " Douglas Harding (The Headless Way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi friends, > > When reading posts of a list, or having a direct talk with someone, > all reactions one feels are just in one's head - nowhere else. Hi Werner, Pardon me, but aren't feelings felt inside the entire energy field of the body and not just in the head? > > The problem is the interpretation of a stimulus and not the stimus > itself. > > Here is some text I found on a Douglas Harding list and in my eyes it > also fits well here to this Niz list. Maybe one has to read it once > more to grasp it because D.H. has his own way to express his views. > > Werner > > ------------------- > > Emptiness becoming things > Is never seeing true. > Abandon all opinion > To get a proper view. > > Seng T'san (The thírd patriarch) > > > " But also, where as I thought clarity would be served - I called it > Space, or more precisely, Space for that scene to happen in. An > unhappy phrase for it seemed to say that I had found above the Bottom > Line the world's content, and below it the World's container, and > that they were thus separable. The merest glance should have shown me > that all the world in one piece - container and content undivided > belongs above the line, and that there it's never served up short of > room for itself. Happily, the mistake did not lie in the basic > experience but in my interpretation of it. The lie belonged to the > meaning of what I saw and not to the Seeing itself. In time, I > learned that there exists no bolt hole or bunker below the line, that > my life is lived above ground willy nilly, and that if I'm to be free > of the world and its troubles it is by being them. I have ceased to > be any kind of container at all, but instead am content with my > content. " > > Douglas Harding (The Headless Way) When content is cleansed of emotional attachment, then there will pehaps be clarity. We might think that removing emotions from content will turn us into mechanical robots without feelings, but the truth could be that emotions are what make us into mechanical robots without true feelings. (Emotion = feeling related to particular content, True feeling = feeling without relation to particular content) /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Interesting, where is that list Werner? Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi friends, > > When reading posts of a list, or having a direct talk with someone, > all reactions one feels are just in one's head - nowhere else. > > The problem is the interpretation of a stimulus and not the stimus > itself. > > Here is some text I found on a Douglas Harding list and in my eyes it > also fits well here to this Niz list. Maybe one has to read it once > more to grasp it because D.H. has his own way to express his views. > > Werner > > ------------------- > > Emptiness becoming things > Is never seeing true. > Abandon all opinion > To get a proper view. > > Seng T'san (The thúd patriarch) > > > " But also, where as I thought clarity would be served - I called it > Space, or more precisely, Space for that scene to happen in. An > unhappy phrase for it seemed to say that I had found above the Bottom > Line the world's content, and below it the World's container, and > that they were thus separable. The merest glance should have shown me > that all the world in one piece - container and content undivided > belongs above the line, and that there it's never served up short of > room for itself. Happily, the mistake did not lie in the basic > experience but in my interpretation of it. The lie belonged to the > meaning of what I saw and not to the Seeing itself. In time, I > learned that there exists no bolt hole or bunker below the line, that > my life is lived above ground willy nilly, and that if I'm to be free > of the world and its troubles it is by being them. I have ceased to > be any kind of container at all, but instead am content with my > content. " > > Douglas Harding (The Headless Way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Hi Eric, If Douglas Harding is unkown to you, I would suggest first start investigating his site: http://www.headless.org The list you were asking for is here: lookforyourself/messages I personally am a fan of D.H. and I like his teaching of the headless way. Hope you enjoy it ... Werner Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Interesting, where is that list Werner? > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi friends, > > > > When reading posts of a list, or having a direct talk with someone, > > all reactions one feels are just in one's head - nowhere else. > > > > The problem is the interpretation of a stimulus and not the stimus > > itself. > > > > Here is some text I found on a Douglas Harding list and in my eyes > it > > also fits well here to this Niz list. Maybe one has to read it once > > more to grasp it because D.H. has his own way to express his views. > > > > Werner > > > > ------------------- > > > > Emptiness becoming things > > Is never seeing true. > > Abandon all opinion > > To get a proper view. > > > > Seng T'san (The thúd patriarch) > > > > > > " But also, where as I thought clarity would be served - I called it > > Space, or more precisely, Space for that scene to happen in. An > > unhappy phrase for it seemed to say that I had found above the > Bottom > > Line the world's content, and below it the World's container, and > > that they were thus separable. The merest glance should have shown > me > > that all the world in one piece - container and content undivided > > belongs above the line, and that there it's never served up short > of > > room for itself. Happily, the mistake did not lie in the basic > > experience but in my interpretation of it. The lie belonged to the > > meaning of what I saw and not to the Seeing itself. In time, I > > learned that there exists no bolt hole or bunker below the line, > that > > my life is lived above ground willy nilly, and that if I'm to be > free > > of the world and its troubles it is by being them. I have ceased to > > be any kind of container at all, but instead am content with my > > content. " > > > > Douglas Harding (The Headless Way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Yes, i just went there lookforyourself/messages it looks much more tame and civilized than over here, i'll read more later. Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > If Douglas Harding is unkown to you, I would suggest first start > investigating his site: > > http://www.headless.org > > The list you were asking for is here: > > lookforyourself/messages > > I personally am a fan of D.H. and I like his teaching of the headless > way. > > Hope you enjoy it ... Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Interesting, where is that list Werner? > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi friends, > > > > > > When reading posts of a list, or having a direct talk with > someone, > > > all reactions one feels are just in one's head - nowhere else. > > > > > > The problem is the interpretation of a stimulus and not the stimus > > > itself. > > > > > > Here is some text I found on a Douglas Harding list and in my > eyes > > it > > > also fits well here to this Niz list. Maybe one has to read it > once > > > more to grasp it because D.H. has his own way to express his > views. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > Emptiness becoming things > > > Is never seeing true. > > > Abandon all opinion > > > To get a proper view. > > > > > > Seng T'san (The thúd patriarch) > > > > > > > > > " But also, where as I thought clarity would be served - I called > it > > > Space, or more precisely, Space for that scene to happen in. An > > > unhappy phrase for it seemed to say that I had found above the > > Bottom > > > Line the world's content, and below it the World's container, and > > > that they were thus separable. The merest glance should have > shown > > me > > > that all the world in one piece - container and content undivided > > > belongs above the line, and that there it's never served up short > > of > > > room for itself. Happily, the mistake did not lie in the basic > > > experience but in my interpretation of it. The lie belonged to the > > > meaning of what I saw and not to the Seeing itself. In time, I > > > learned that there exists no bolt hole or bunker below the line, > > that > > > my life is lived above ground willy nilly, and that if I'm to be > > free > > > of the world and its troubles it is by being them. I have ceased > to > > > be any kind of container at all, but instead am content with my > > > content. " > > > > > > Douglas Harding (The Headless Way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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