Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Anders, > > What speaks against fear ? Why not having fear, you are what you are. > If your view is that thinking is always colored by fear then just > stop thinking (ha ha ha), or take it as it is and stop making such > fuss about it. > > BTW, Fear is the movemnet away from, or in different words: Fear is > the result of avoidance. Going into something or towards something > without the slightest impuls to avoid it will never cause any fear. > > You wrote: > > It's also scary to think that maybe > > there is no personal realization, but only an impersonal one. What > > will " I " be with an impersonal realization? Many spiritual teachers > > say: when you drop into reality, you drop into the impersonal. > > > > Solution: > Just drop realization and forget it. > > Werner Hi Werner, Yes, fear is the movement away from something, and that something is: thinking! Fear, as I have come to understand it, is a regulating factor that prevents the thinking mind to go too far away into the future, the past or into fantasies. We are always here and now, but the thinking mind (seemingly) is not. Fear forms a boundary for the thinking mind. So fear is not negative per se. Fear is an automatic response to what we don't know or can handle yet. When we learn that putting our hand on a hot stove will burn us, then we don't need fear to tell us that anymore. But the future holds so many complex possibilities that the thinking mind can never learn enough to handle it without fear. No matter how much conceptual and experiential knowledge we have, it will never be enough to handle the future in a complete way. When fear increases in us we are forced more and more into the present moment. Our thinking mind is compelled to relax bit by bit. And in that relaxation there is an opening to freedom and fearlessness. I guess. We don't have to drop realization, what we need to drop (or will be forced to drop) is our _thinking_ about realization. /AL > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > Thinking is just a tiny aspect of intelligence, according to > > > Eckhart > > > > Tolle. > > > > > > I'm more interested in what you have to say about the subject. > > > > My view is that thinking, as prompted by limited past conditioning, > is > > always colored by fear. There is always, in that kind of thinking, a > > " myself " against the rest of the world. This is a constant struggle. > > One need not be a professor in psychology or philosophy to see > this. I > > don't know if that higher form of intelligence Tolle talks about > > exists, but I am very curious about finding out if there is. > > > > It is frustrating not to have a personal realization about this and > > have to lean on spiritual masters. It's also scary to think that > maybe > > there is no personal realization, but only an impersonal one. What > > will " I " be with an impersonal realization? Many spiritual teachers > > say: when you drop into reality, you drop into the impersonal. > > > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 LOL Kip, I am very optimistic that you find a way to enjoy your work or to find satisfaction in a stoic attitude. Werner Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > BTW, Fear is the movemnet away from, or in different words: Fear is > the result of avoidance. Going into something or towards something > without the slightest impuls to avoid it will never cause any fear. > > > > This is very, very good! A great insight, Werner. I have had > a " long " vacation now and were thinking about next week, when the > work starts again > > > Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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