Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 from your criteria and demands about spiritual stature and achievement, degree of consciousness, powers and perception of unperceived energies, intelligence or sensitiveness or participation in the unseen or after kingdoms, or simply lucidity on the present ... those signs and symptoms that you have posited about " what enlightenement *should* be " ... only you can try to fit and those demands and subsequent goals, change from person to person, and are only one way you plan to alleviate some unease ... you are the only person responsible for your spiritual goals,... change your goals and you'll change the nature of " realization " , if you perceive it as a shared concept among the majority of seekers, it is one more of your personal (unshared criteria) because no one will ever agree on your demands (how to be realized); the logic of this: If you start complaining about something you lack or trying to find someone to acknowledge your realization, you're in the spiritual mess ... but on the other hand ... if you are fine and independent for yourself to yourself (samadhis or no samadhis, powers or no powers, consciousness or no consciousness), no one can tell you what your enlightenment 'should' be ('enlightenment/freedom' and 'should' are exactly two contradictory terms). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > from your criteria and demands about spiritual stature and > achievement, degree of consciousness, powers and perception of > unperceived energies, intelligence or sensitiveness or participation > in the unseen or after kingdoms, or simply lucidity on the > present ... those signs and symptoms that you have posited > about " what enlightenement *should* be " ... only you can try to fit > and those demands and subsequent goals, change from person to > person, and are only one way you plan to alleviate some unease ... > you are the only person responsible for your spiritual goals,... > change your goals and you'll change the nature of " realization " , if > you perceive it as a shared concept among the majority of seekers, > it is one more of your personal (unshared criteria) because no one > will ever agree on your demands (how to be realized); > the logic of this: > If you start complaining about something you lack or trying to find > someone to acknowledge your realization, you're in the spiritual > mess ... > but on the other hand ... > if you are fine and independent for yourself to yourself (samadhis > or no samadhis, powers or no powers, consciousness or no > consciousness), no one can tell you what your enlightenment 'should' > be ('enlightenment/freedom' and 'should' are exactly two > contradictory terms). did not Nisargadatta often tell people, " i am sure of what i say but you are not sure of what you say " ? ... i sure would let no Niz talk to me like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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