Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > What is an illusion to you, Dan? How do you define it? What does it > consist of? How is it dispelled? Please give me some examples of > illusions you have or dispelled or that still hold you in their grip? > > > Lewis An illusion is an appearance that on closer examination isn't so. An example of an illusion is a rope that was mistaken to be a snake. When you examine and are clear that it is a rope, the illusion is dispelled. Dan and Lewis communicating as if separable minds is an illusion that the appearance of these words generates. But that illusion doesn't hold me in its grip. I enjoy it for what it is. Like the play of sunlight on ripples of a lake making a display of colors. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > What is an illusion to you, Dan? How do you define it? What does > it > > consist of? How is it dispelled? Please give me some examples of > > illusions you have or dispelled or that still hold you in their > grip? > > > > > > Lewis > > An illusion is an appearance that on closer examination > isn't so. The appearance is but there is misapprehension of it. > > An example of an illusion is a rope that was mistaken to > be a snake. When the person experiences the rope as a snake and jumps back afraid and drops dead in fright, I experience that the man experienced a snake and you watching him saw an illusion that killed him. It was real to him and illusion to you. I experience both and it seems that one is no more more real or illusory than the other in effect. After all, what is snake? > > When you examine and are clear that it is a rope, the > illusion is dispelled. Is a mirage an illusion? > > Dan and Lewis communicating as if separable minds is an > illusion that the appearance of these words generates. > > But that illusion doesn't hold me in its grip. I am you and you me. There is no difference. > > I enjoy it for what it is. > > Like the play of sunlight on ripples of a lake making > a display of colors. > > -- Dan With me drinking you as you are me. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > When the person experiences the rope as a snake and jumps back afraid > and drops dead in fright, I experience that the man experienced a snake > and you watching him saw an illusion that killed him. It was real to him > and illusion to you. I experience both and it seems that one is no more > more real or illusory than the other in effect. > > After all, what is snake? And what is the " you " that observed " me " and " that man " ? Any description of anything relates to the describer. At the point where the describer is the described, there are no words, no distance. Realizing that no distance applies, any reference for a describer or described dissolves. Neither describer nor described, so no affirmative word or image that can be employed. To answer your question: " snake " is a description. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > When the person experiences the rope as a snake and jumps back > afraid > > and drops dead in fright, I experience that the man experienced a > snake > > and you watching him saw an illusion that killed him. It was real > to him > > and illusion to you. I experience both and it seems that one is no > more > > more real or illusory than the other in effect. > > > > After all, what is snake? > > And what is the " you " that observed " me " and " that man " ? There is no answer to that and none required it seems. Silence..... > > Any description of anything relates to the describer. > > At the point where the describer is the described, > there are no words, no distance. > > Realizing that no distance applies, any reference for > a describer or described dissolves. Neither > describer nor described, so no affirmative word > or image that can be employed. > > To answer your question: " snake " is a description. Into the void. As it is written, so let it be done. > > -- Dan and Lewis are one! > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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