Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Hi Pete, Ah, I understand you, Lewis not being a " real " high-brow but rather a good copy consciously playing his game with others who tend to get impressed by " real " personalities, those who also are just playing such a role but without being conscious of. Well, such people no longer can impress me since I understood that one tends to mistake complicated thinking as intelligence. My mind just switches off when meeting those brands of " intelligence " and I can do nothing against that switching off - I just go blank. But ok, if Lewis has a message behind all his trolling, fine. Maybe one day getting tired with all this and realizing his message is just air as everything else, fine, and if not, fine too. Werner Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/13/05 7:34:38 AM, wwoehr@p... writes: > > > > Hi Lewis, > > > > >Forgive me just standing there with open mouth. I couldn't believe my > > eyes, such a highly educated high-brow, seemingly such elevated, > > >getting down on earth himself. > > > > >Werner > > > > Hey Werner, > > Don't let Lewis fools you. He says what you say, > he says what I say. He says it, with lot's of sugar on top, > so toddlers will eat it, he says it with Latin and > Sanskrit polysyllables, and complex compound > sentences so college graduates find it tasteful. > No matter how he says, he says it well, > and even those who get indigestion like the > cook. Everybody loves Raymond, I mean Lewis. > > What he serves is very simple, under all the > trimmings and the yummy sauce: > 'What is' can't be explained, or understood. > All explanations are provisional, walking > canes for the blind, until they see (or > rather learn to trust the dark.) When the > very notion of falling goes, fear goes, > the verbal cane with which they prove the > unknown goes and they boldly walk into > the dark. > > The monk asked the master, " When will > I realize? " > > " When you swallow the Eastern ocean in one gulp. " > > In other words, when you swallow 'what is' whole, > without cutting it up with explanations. > > Pete > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 In a message dated 1/13/05 2:02:51 PM, lbb10 writes: > >Thank you for you drinking me and I will always drink you as it is. > P: Sure my man. I'm with you, and I'm surprised that Werner referred to your posts as trolling. He must have a completely different definition of the word than most people do. To me, trolling is trying to annoy on purpose either with insults, sarcasm, or nonsense messages. In no way your messages fall under that category. And I'm not unaware of the hidden communication between us. I understand, that Werner's mind refuses to deal with heavy volume of spiritual text, and that's a very good sign. I'm delighted to hear that is so. Let's hope you and him will stick around to help others less fortunate. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Pedsie2 wrote: > > In a message dated 1/13/05 7:34:38 AM, wwoehr writes: > > > > Hi Lewis, > > > > >Forgive me just standing there with open mouth. I couldn't believe my > > eyes, such a highly educated high-brow, seemingly such elevated, > > >getting down on earth himself. > > > > >Werner > > > > Hey Werner, > > Don't let Lewis fools you. He says what you say, > he says what I say. He says it, with lot's of sugar on top, > so toddlers will eat it, he says it with Latin and > Sanskrit polysyllables, and complex compound > sentences so college graduates find it tasteful. > No matter how he says, he says it well, > and even those who get indigestion like the > cook. Everybody loves Raymond, I mean Lewis. > > What he serves is very simple, under all the > trimmings and the yummy sauce: > 'What is' can't be explained, or understood. > All explanations are provisional, walking > canes for the blind, until they see (or > rather learn to trust the dark.) When the > very notion of falling goes, fear goes, > the verbal cane with which they prove the > unknown goes and they boldly walk into > the dark. > > The monk asked the master, " When will > I realize? " > > " When you swallow the Eastern ocean in one gulp. " > > In other words, when you swallow 'what is' whole, > without cutting it up with explanations. > > Pete Dear Pete, That which you wrote is a mirror reflection of some part of the experiences of Pete seen when looking at me, drinking me, if you can accept that, as well as something of what I experience and do. I know you have walked or are walking in the darkness that is not dark, but something is.... It is not a perfect reflection, Pete, but it will do as it is, and will be taken variously as will be done. You are correct about provisional meanings, canes, fear, swallowing whole. Yes that is part of that moving about in the postings because there is interest and demand here among the active posting members. How could that not emerge? However, it seems to me that everyone here that has posted knows this either directly or if not directly, at least intellectually. This has been my experience. This is not an issue with anyone and I do not intentionally address it except at certain times when it is an issue up front. However, posting here has another dynamic unrelated to thought and thinking about what is. What is the draw the attraction? It is that dynamic that I have participated in, in the way that I am. So, you see, Pete that which you think is not what is being served. You have seen the surface, the trimmings and the yummy sauce. You can see the unintended movements in all of my postings. but these are not being served. Please do not forget the others for this being done here is not about me but is one movement of a larger symphony to be played later each with our instruments or instruments of experience. As a nondual orchestra of sorts, we are tuning up before playing that great symphony. So there are a lot of different sounds at once and it seems dissonant, but we are all tuning up, trying to get our instruments to sound just right before we begin to play, to experience fully that which is. I am simply part of this orchestra, playing as I do the sounds that I know on the instruments that I have experienced deeply and if any of my tuning and playing is of any use to anyone that is music to my ears. Thank you for you drinking me and I will always drink you as it is. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/13/05 2:02:51 PM, lbb10@c... writes: > > > > >Thank you for you drinking me and I will always drink you as it is. > > > P: Sure my man. I'm with you, and I'm surprised that Werner referred to your > posts as trolling. He must have a completely different definition > of the word than most people do. To me, trolling is trying to annoy on > purpose either with insults, sarcasm, or nonsense messages. In no > way your messages fall under that category. And I'm not unaware > of the hidden communication between us. I understand, that Werner's > mind refuses to deal with heavy volume of spiritual text, and that's a very > good sign. I'm delighted to hear that is so. Let's hope you and him will > stick around > to help others less fortunate. > > Pete > hi everyone! i had a very nice time reading your posts today! e-specially lewis....very nice...thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Hi Pete, Thanks for clarifying, especially the word " trolling " . If I would have known that this word also has a negative, offending meaning I wouldn't have used it. Not because I mind offending Lewis when I feel like but here in this case there was no reason at all for offense, just the contrary. Translated into German the word trolling means " traellern " which is kind of singing without investing any effort into that singing. In addition a troll also is a small creature which loves to make jokes and fun and nonsense with others which could get annoying but is not intended to insult or to hurt on purpose or with sarcasm. Werner Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/13/05 2:02:51 PM, lbb10@c... writes: > > > > >Thank you for you drinking me and I will always drink you as it is. > > > P: Sure my man. I'm with you, and I'm surprised that Werner referred to your > posts as trolling. He must have a completely different definition > of the word than most people do. To me, trolling is trying to annoy on > purpose either with insults, sarcasm, or nonsense messages. In no > way your messages fall under that category. And I'm not unaware > of the hidden communication between us. I understand, that Werner's > mind refuses to deal with heavy volume of spiritual text, and that's a very > good sign. I'm delighted to hear that is so. Let's hope you and him will > stick around > to help others less fortunate. > > Pete > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > Thanks for clarifying, especially the word " trolling " . If I would > have known that this word also has a negative, offending meaning I > wouldn't have used it. Not because I mind offending Lewis when I feel > like but here in this case there was no reason at all for offense, > just the contrary. > > Translated into German the word trolling means " traellern " which is > kind of singing without investing any effort into that singing. In > addition a troll also is a small creature which loves to make jokes > and fun and nonsense with others which could get annoying but is not > intended to insult or to hurt on purpose or with sarcasm. > > Werner In english it is the vocabulary of fishermen. > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 1/13/05 2:02:51 PM, lbb10@c... writes: > > > > > > > >Thank you for you drinking me and I will always drink you as it > is. > > > > > P: Sure my man. I'm with you, and I'm surprised that Werner > referred to your > > posts as trolling. He must have a completely different definition > > of the word than most people do. To me, trolling is trying to annoy > on > > purpose either with insults, sarcasm, or nonsense messages. In no > > way your messages fall under that category. And I'm not unaware > > of the hidden communication between us. I understand, that Werner's > > mind refuses to deal with heavy volume of spiritual text, and > that's a very > > good sign. I'm delighted to hear that is so. Let's hope you and > him will > > stick around > > to help others less fortunate. > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Hi Werner, Yes I thought it could very well be a misunderstanding of the peculiar meaning some words take in the Internet. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/13/05 2:02:51 PM, lbb10@c... writes: > > > > >Thank you for you drinking me and I will always drink you as it is. > > > P: Sure my man. I'm with you, and I'm surprised that Werner referred to your > posts as trolling. He must have a completely different definition > of the word than most people do. To me, trolling is trying to annoy on > purpose either with insults, sarcasm, or nonsense messages. In no > way your messages fall under that category. And I'm not unaware > of the hidden communication between us. I understand, that Werner's > mind refuses to deal with heavy volume of spiritual text, and that's a very > good sign. I'm delighted to hear that is so. Let's hope you and him will > stick around > to help others less fortunate. > > Pete > > A clever troll acts as a sincere and knowledgeable person, but with the intention to fool people. That's my idea of a master troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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