Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > - > Nirgunananda > SatsangNirav ; GURUTAMA GRUPO > ; GRUPO OSHO ; a_Busca > Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:19 PM > God is the end of all desire and knowledge / Deus é o fim de todo desejo e conhecimento > > > Texto do Livro I AM THAT the Nisargadatta Maharaj > God is the end of all desire and knowledge. > ....... > > Q - To become an engineer I must learn engineering. To become God, what must I learn? > > M - You must unlearn everything. God is the end of all desire and knwledge. > > Q - You mean to say that I become God merely by giving up the desire to become God? > > M - All desires must be given up, because by desiring you take the shape of your desires. When no desires remain, you revert to your natural state. > > Q - How do I come to know that I have achieved perfection? > > M - You can not know perfection, you can know only imperfection. For knowledge to be, there must be separation and disharmony. You can know what you are not, but you can not know your real being. You can be only what you are. The entire approach is through understanding, wich is in the seeing of the false as false. But to undestand, you must observe from outside. > > Q - The Vedantic concept of Maya, illusion, applies to the manifested. Therefore our knowledge of the manifested is unreliable. But we should be able to trust our knowledge of the unmanifested. > > M - There can be no knowledge of the unmanifested. The potential is unknowable. Only the actual can be known. > > Q - Why should the knower remain unknown? > > M - The knower knows the known. Do you know the knower? Who is the knower? You want to know the unmanifested. Can you say you know the manifested? > > Q - I know things and ideas and their relations. It is the sum total of all my experiences. > > M - All? > > Q - Well, all actual experiences. I admit I can not know what did not happen. > > M - If the manifested is the sum total of all actual experiences, including their experiences, how much of the total do you know? A very small part indeed. And what is the little you know? > > Q - Some sensory experiences as related to myself. > > M - No even that. You only know that you react. Who reacts and to what, you do not know. You know on contact that you exist You cannot even know that you exist.......... " You " cannot be captured by thought.......because...... " you " are composed solely of thought...a self referential temporal circularity.....You cannot know yourself...because there is simply no-thing there. - " I am " . The " I am this " , " I am that " are imaginary. ....as is the I am. > > > Namastê > Nirgunananda > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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