Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 There is nothing that does not exist. How about Santa Claus? He exists as thoughts in your mind. How about Abraham Lincoln? He exists as thoughts in your mind and perhaps as some bones in his grave. To say: this or that does not exist is meaningless when we are talking about existence vs non-existence. Ultimately there is no non-existence. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is nothing that does not exist. How about Santa Claus? > He exists > > > > as thoughts in your mind. How about Abraham Lincoln? He exists > as > > > > thoughts in your mind and perhaps as some bones in his grave. > > > > > > > > To say: this or that does not exist is meaningless when we are > talking > > > > about existence vs non-existence. Ultimately there is no > > non-existence. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > The trouble...that most humans have.....is that they are unable > to > > tell the difference > > > between the respective reality of a Santa Claus and an Abraham > Lincoln. > > > > > > > > > .....between a hotdog and a heaven. > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > The trouble.........that most humans have.........is that they > think > > there is a fundamental difference between the respective reality > of a > > Santa Claus and an Abraham Lincoln............between a hotdog and > a > > heaven. > > > > That's the fallacy! > > > > Let me explain: there is no such thing as nothing. To say that a > > hotdog one is biting on is reality but that the idea of a heaven in > > the mind of a priest passing by is not reality, is a fallacy. Sure, > > there is a difference in the form of varied experiences, but that > > variation does not vary between existence and nothingness - > experience > > varies between two sides of the same coin. > > > > /AL > > > The next time you are starving.... and you are offered either a hot > dog or a little bite of heaven....you might re-evaluate you thoughts. > > t. Starving is the negative side of the coin. Having a nice dinner is the positive side of that same coin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > The trouble...that most humans have.....is that they are unable to tell the difference > between the respective reality of a Santa Claus and an Abraham Lincoln. > > > .....between a hotdog and a heaven. > > > t. Yes. Between a hotme and *this.* And they are so busy asserting themselves, that they can't look at what they are doing. And they'll tell you over and over that you're the one whose missing how wise they are. They are running their lives and the world this way, and they aren't going to stop what they're doing, just 'cause someone knows what they're up to. You just get all the usual " it's you who doesn't know squat, and it's me that knows what your game is, and you suck. " -- over and over ad nauseum. You can't pour new tea into a full cup. You can't put new wine into old skins -- it just makes the new wine sour. The old skin just turns wine into whine. Because it's their constant whining that is the dead giveaway. Yet, to their own ears, it sounds like music. :-) -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Yes. Between a hotme and *this.* > Back for a little, ah, " self confession " ? Come and confess your sins my son. > And they are so busy asserting themselves, > that they can't look at what they are doing. > > And they'll tell you over and over that you're > the one whose missing how wise they are. Yada, yada, and some more yada. > > They are running their lives and the world this way, > and they aren't going to stop what they're doing, > just 'cause someone knows what they're up to. > > You just get all the usual " it's you who doesn't > know squat, and it's me that knows what your game > is, and you suck. " -- over and over ad nauseum. > > You can't pour new tea into a full cup. > > You can't put new wine into old skins -- it > just makes the new wine sour. > > The old skin just turns wine into whine. > > Because it's their constant whining that is > the dead giveaway. > > Yet, to their own ears, it sounds like music. > > :-) > > -- Dan Can you say, " hmmmmmmmmm, tastes like whine " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > Can you say, " hmmmmmmmmm, tastes like whine " I don't need to. You just did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > The trouble...that most humans have.....is that they are unable to > tell the difference > > between the respective reality of a Santa Claus and an Abraham > Lincoln. > > > > > > .....between a hotdog and a heaven. > > > > > > t. > > Yes. Between a hotme and *this.* > > And they are so busy asserting themselves, > that they can't look at what they are doing. > > And they'll tell you over and over that you're > the one whose missing how wise they are. > > They are running their lives and the world this way, > and they aren't going to stop what they're doing, > just 'cause someone knows what they're up to. > > You just get all the usual " it's you who doesn't > know squat, and it's me that knows what your game > is, and you suck. " -- over and over ad nauseum. > > You can't pour new tea into a full cup. > > You can't put new wine into old skins -- it > just makes the new wine sour. > > The old skin just turns wine into whine. > > Because it's their constant whining that is > the dead giveaway. > > Yet, to their own ears, it sounds like music. > > :-) > > -- Dan When we look in a mirror we see a reflection. When we look into others our reflection is there. This is a reflection of Dan. See it clearly Dan as all here may do. There is whining that is out and there is whining that is contained. Which is it now? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The trouble...that most humans have.....is that they are unable to > > tell the difference > > > between the respective reality of a Santa Claus and an Abraham > > Lincoln. > > > > > > > > > .....between a hotdog and a heaven. > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > Yes. Between a hotme and *this.* > > > > And they are so busy asserting themselves, > > that they can't look at what they are doing. > > > > And they'll tell you over and over that you're > > the one whose missing how wise they are. > > > > They are running their lives and the world this way, > > and they aren't going to stop what they're doing, > > just 'cause someone knows what they're up to. > > > > You just get all the usual " it's you who doesn't > > know squat, and it's me that knows what your game > > is, and you suck. " -- over and over ad nauseum. > > > > You can't pour new tea into a full cup. > > > > You can't put new wine into old skins -- it > > just makes the new wine sour. > > > > The old skin just turns wine into whine. > > > > Because it's their constant whining that is > > the dead giveaway. > > > > Yet, to their own ears, it sounds like music. > > > > :-) > > > > -- Dan > > When we look in a mirror we see a reflection. When we look into others > our reflection is there. This is a reflection of Dan. See it clearly Dan > as all here may do. There is whining that is out and there is whining > that is contained. Which is it now? > > Lewis Observing your efforts, and smiling! Be well, Lewis! All is well! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The trouble...that most humans have.....is that they are > unable to > > > tell the difference > > > > between the respective reality of a Santa Claus and an Abraham > > > Lincoln. > > > > > > > > > > > > .....between a hotdog and a heaven. > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > Yes. Between a hotme and *this.* > > > > > > And they are so busy asserting themselves, > > > that they can't look at what they are doing. > > > > > > And they'll tell you over and over that you're > > > the one whose missing how wise they are. > > > > > > They are running their lives and the world this way, > > > and they aren't going to stop what they're doing, > > > just 'cause someone knows what they're up to. > > > > > > You just get all the usual " it's you who doesn't > > > know squat, and it's me that knows what your game > > > is, and you suck. " -- over and over ad nauseum. > > > > > > You can't pour new tea into a full cup. > > > > > > You can't put new wine into old skins -- it > > > just makes the new wine sour. > > > > > > The old skin just turns wine into whine. > > > > > > Because it's their constant whining that is > > > the dead giveaway. > > > > > > Yet, to their own ears, it sounds like music. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > When we look in a mirror we see a reflection. When we look into > others > > our reflection is there. This is a reflection of Dan. See it > clearly Dan > > as all here may do. There is whining that is out and there is > whining > > that is contained. Which is it now? > > > > Lewis > > Observing your efforts, and smiling! > > Be well, Lewis! > > All is well! > > -- Dan Going on together in our way, Dan, on we go. :-D Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 > > > > > > There is nothing that does not exist. How about Santa Claus? > He exists > > > > as thoughts in your mind. How about Abraham Lincoln? He exists > as > > > > thoughts in your mind and perhaps as some bones in his grave. > > > > > > > > To say: this or that does not exist is meaningless when we are > talking > > > > about existence vs non-existence. Ultimately there is no > > non-existence. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > The trouble...that most humans have.....is that they are unable > to > > tell the difference > > > between the respective reality of a Santa Claus and an Abraham > Lincoln. > > > > > > > > > .....between a hotdog and a heaven. > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > The trouble.........that most humans have.........is that they > think > > there is a fundamental difference between the respective reality > of a > > Santa Claus and an Abraham Lincoln............between a hotdog and > a > > heaven. > > > > That's the fallacy! > > > > Let me explain: there is no such thing as nothing. To say that a > > hotdog one is biting on is reality but that the idea of a heaven in > > the mind of a priest passing by is not reality, is a fallacy. Sure, > > there is a difference in the form of varied experiences, but that > > variation does not vary between existence and nothingness - > experience > > varies between two sides of the same coin. > > > > /AL > > > The next time you are starving.... and you are offered either a hot > dog or a little bite of heaven....you might re-evaluate you thoughts. > > t. Starving is the negative side of the coin. Having a nice dinner is the positive side of that same coin. »§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§« The writer Rumi said it best: I no longer know the difference between image and reality Like the shadow I am and I am not. ~*~ G. »§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§« Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 mister_benn210 wrote: > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that I > don't... > > > --- > > The feeling of existing is what you are not. What you are is the un-manifest potential for the feeling of existing of which the feeling of existing has arisen, so to speak. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " <mister_benn210 wrote: > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that I > don't... > Existence is true (feeling/awareness of existence), but the " I " comes later. There is existence prior to " I " . Namaste, ~ Eric Putkonen http://www.awaken2life.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " > <mister_benn210@> wrote: > > > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that I > > don't... > > > > Existence is true (feeling/awareness of existence), but the " I " comes > later. There is existence prior to " I " . > > Namaste, > > ~ Eric Putkonen > http://www.awaken2life.org > Now this is interesting Eric... " There is existence prior to *I* " . How can you prove it? There is only a tangible proof engendered by the present awareness of the many in my *I*. What if all that is this is arose simultaneously... now that we have the riddle of time solved...? ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " > > <mister_benn210@> wrote: > > > > > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that I > > > don't... > > > > > > > Existence is true (feeling/awareness of existence), but the " I " comes > > later. There is existence prior to " I " . > > > > Namaste, > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > > Since the " I " has no existential reality the word " prior " is meaningless. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " <mister_benn210 wrote: > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that I > don't... > what you keep hearing is mumbo jumbo... before all words...you are... be who you are...and let the mumbo jumbo go on and forth... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " > <mister_benn210@> wrote: > > > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that I > > don't... > > > what you keep hearing is mumbo jumbo... > before all words...you are... That's the kinda talk the self likes to hear. Stuff like: " You don't have to do anything. " " You're already enlightened. " " You are all that is " . " You're perfect the way you are. " " Your little self is already your big self. " Things like that make it feel warm all over.....and give it hope. toombaru > be who you are...and let the mumbo jumbo go on and forth... > ...iietsa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " > > <mister_benn210@> wrote: > > > > > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that I > > > don't... > > > > > what you keep hearing is mumbo jumbo... > > before all words...you are... > > > > > That's the kinda talk the self likes to hear. > > Stuff like: > > " You don't have to do anything. " > > " You're already enlightened. " > > " You are all that is " . > > " You're perfect the way you are. " > > " Your little self is already your big self. " > > Things like that make it feel warm all over.....and give it hope. > > > > > toombaru geeze toomie, now you wanna take away all hope? there's nothing but hope...after we see how hopeless we are.... it just has another name now... ~A > > > > > be who you are...and let the mumbo jumbo go on and forth... > > ...iietsa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " > > <mister_benn210@> wrote: > > > > > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that I > > > don't... > > > > > what you keep hearing is mumbo jumbo... > > before all words...you are... > > > > > That's the kinda talk the self likes to hear. > > Stuff like: > > " You don't have to do anything. " > > " You're already enlightened. " > > " You are all that is " . > > " You're perfect the way you are. " > > " Your little self is already your big self. " > > Things like that make it feel warm all over.....and give it hope. > > > > > toombaru > as long as you think that there is something that must be done... you will continue on the same old mumbo jumbo road...with the eyes closed...but (soner or later) you will see that you have never done anything at all...in your " whole " so called " life " ... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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