Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > carolina112900 wrote: > > > > What do words and language exist as? > > > > > > Words and learned language 'exist' > > as metaphors for life. They have no > > literal meanings other than that. > > They are used to create stories and some > > times some of the words serve to un-do > > stories. > > > And can stories be seen as an in between an insert used for whatever > purpose required in the moment, a story to be told for this or that? > ~~~Sure, why not? > And can stories appear as the real so that life comes to be bet upon > them in order to go on in that way they we do with some stories leading > north, south, east, and west and in all the ranging directions in > between, vertically, horizontally, and obliquely as is required so that > in every way exploration can be had known and unknown as it is done? > ~~~Of course. There isn't anything that 'appears' that is not real, even if it hasn't condensed down to a physical form or a tangible. > And as we gaze upon a mythical earth to see how the stories are followed > by experiencing the variegated trails of human appearances as they move > to and fro across the ground and in the air and sea, their doings, their > lives in their duration, the remains, can it be said that a story > followed as real is a veil worn tightly about the face with the > appearance going in a way that the story does not? > ~~~The same story will be perceived in countless different ways. > Without a story is there a way to go? > > > > > > We believe we " want " . > > > > We believe we can " have " . > > > > Is it true? > > > > Is it untrue, is it both, can it be neither or all of these or other > than these? > ~~~the potential is always there > > > Is there a we to want something, > > or is that a story about lack? > > > Is there a we to have something, > > or is that a story about illusory > > possession? > > > Are the appearances to be doubted, to be handled and pressed to see what > exudes? How can they be seen? ~~~There isn't a how, but can be 'seen' by, for and of the Heart... not excluding the mind, but it is when the mind knows what it is for. .....the music is just starting..... ~~freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 carolina112900 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > carolina112900 wrote: > > > > > > What do words and language exist as? > > > > > > > > > Words and learned language 'exist' > > > as metaphors for life. They have no > > > literal meanings other than that. > > > They are used to create stories and some > > > times some of the words serve to un-do > > > stories. > > > > > > And can stories be seen as an in between an insert used for > whatever > > purpose required in the moment, a story to be told for this or that? > > > > > ~~~Sure, why not? > > > > And can stories appear as the real so that life comes to be bet > upon > > them in order to go on in that way they we do with some stories > leading > > north, south, east, and west and in all the ranging directions in > > between, vertically, horizontally, and obliquely as is required so > that > > in every way exploration can be had known and unknown as it is done? > > > > > ~~~Of course. There isn't anything > that 'appears' that is not real, even if > it hasn't condensed down to a > physical form or a tangible. > > > > And as we gaze upon a mythical earth to see how the stories are > followed > > by experiencing the variegated trails of human appearances as they > move > > to and fro across the ground and in the air and sea, their doings, > their > > lives in their duration, the remains, can it be said that a story > > followed as real is a veil worn tightly about the face with the > > appearance going in a way that the story does not? > > > > ~~~The same story will be perceived in countless > different ways. Or, may it be that the veil, the story, blinds the appearance in the way that it goes, thinking a story, imagining it is going on as the story says, but going on as it is, not as is thought and not knowing it all? > > > Without a story is there a way to go? And without a story is there way to go? > > > > > > > > We believe we " want " . > > > > > > We believe we can " have " . > > > > > > Is it true? > > > > > > > > Is it untrue, is it both, can it be neither or all of these or > other > > than these? > > > > > ~~~the potential is always there for each and is there one more suitable than another? > > > > > > > Is there a we to want something, > > > or is that a story about lack? > > > > > Is there a we to have something, > > > or is that a story about illusory > > > possession? > > > > > > Are the appearances to be doubted, to be handled and pressed to see > what > > exudes? How can they be seen? > > > ~~~There isn't a how, but can > be 'seen' by, for and of the Heart... > not excluding the mind, but it is > when the mind knows what it is for. > > ....the music is just starting..... it is playing and the sounds....... > > ~~freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > carolina112900 wrote: > > > > > > > > And can stories appear as the real so that life comes to be bet > > upon > > > them in order to go on in that way they we do with some stories > > leading > > > north, south, east, and west and in all the ranging directions in > > > between, vertically, horizontally, and obliquely as is required so > > that > > > in every way exploration can be had known and unknown as it is done? > > > > > > > > > ~~~Of course. There isn't anything > > that 'appears' that is not real, even if > > it hasn't condensed down to a > > physical form or a tangible. > > > > > > > And as we gaze upon a mythical earth to see how the stories are > > followed > > > by experiencing the variegated trails of human appearances as they > > move > > > to and fro across the ground and in the air and sea, their doings, > > their > > > lives in their duration, the remains, can it be said that a story > > > followed as real is a veil worn tightly about the face with the > > > appearance going in a way that the story does not? > > > > > > > ~~~The same story will be perceived in countless > > different ways. > > > Or, may it be that the veil, the story, blinds the appearance in the way > that it goes, thinking a story, imagining it is going on as the story > says, but going on as it is, not as is thought and not knowing it all? > > > > > > > Without a story is there a way to go? > > > And without a story is there way to go? > > > > > > > > > > > > > We believe we " want " . > > > > > > > > We believe we can " have " . > > > > > > > > Is it true? > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it untrue, is it both, can it be neither or all of these or > > other > > > than these? > > > > > > > > > ~~~the potential is always there > > > for each and is there one more suitable than another? > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a we to want something, > > > > or is that a story about lack? > > > > > > > Is there a we to have something, > > > > or is that a story about illusory > > > > possession? > > > > > > > > > Are the appearances to be doubted, to be handled and pressed to see > > what > > > exudes? How can they be seen? > > > > > > ~~~There isn't a how, but can > > be 'seen' by, for and of the Heart... > > not excluding the mind, but it is > > when the mind knows what it is for. > > > > ....the music is just starting..... > > > it is playing and the sounds....... > > > > > > ~~freyja Oh Lewis -- I don't know anything except that which goes on and on and doesn't change....it is like an invisible thread that winds around everything...here is a metaphor for you it is like the fascia of the human body-- fascia being the tough connective tissue that spreads throughout the body in a three-dimensional web from head to foot, functionally and without interruption. Fascia has maintained its general structure and purposes over the millenia, and these functions are evident in the earliest stages of multi-celled organisms, in which two or more cells were able to stay in contact, communicate and resist the forces of the environment through the connective tissue. It has been estimated that if every structure of the body except the fascia were removed, the body would retain its shape. The fascia covers the muscles, bones, nerves, organs and vessels down to the cellular level. When you speak of the veil tightly wound around the face, I think of the tightly wound fascia, which is an aberration, causing binding down, restrictions, malfunction of the system, choking and closing off -- dis-ease. However, " I " do not always know what is going on with the fascia, and it may wind up, but I know how to release it and keep going.... ~~freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 carolina112900 wrote: > Oh Lewis -- I don't know anything > except that which goes on and on > and doesn't change....it is like an > invisible thread that winds around > everything...here is a metaphor for you > > it is like the fascia of the human body-- > fascia being the tough connective tissue > that spreads throughout the body in a > three-dimensional web from head to foot, > functionally and without interruption. > > Fascia has maintained its general structure > and purposes over the millenia, and > these functions are evident in the earliest > stages of multi-celled organisms, in which > two or more cells were able to stay in > contact, communicate and resist the forces > of the environment through the connective > tissue. > > It has been estimated that if every > structure of the body except the fascia > were removed, the body would retain its shape. > > The fascia covers the muscles, bones, nerves, > organs and vessels down to the cellular level. > > When you speak of the veil tightly wound > around the face, I think of the tightly wound > fascia, which is an aberration, causing > binding down, restrictions, > malfunction of the system, choking and > closing off -- dis-ease. > > However, " I " do not always know what > is going on with the fascia, and it may > wind up, but I know how to release it > and keep going.... > > ~~freyja I too do not know always what is going on. There is a moment horizon and the darkness where things are stored and in between or so it can be said, there is an unfolding of doing that comes to the fore as circumstances appear. I go now come what may not knowing the future beyond the moment horizon while the darkness swallows my doings as they occur making me present in the moment, moment by moment. This gradually happened and it was not pleasant to go like this with the many circumstances that surround my appearance but there was no failure of breakdown, I was able to go with ease. I am unable now to do otherwise, even when death seems to make one of its brief visits and checking me by gently whispering " Maybe today " to ease me along with its smile or " Maybe tonight " letting my sleep be calm and deep. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > > > What do words and language exist as? > > > > > > > > > Words and learned language 'exist' > > > as metaphors for life. They have no > > > literal meanings other than that. > > > They are used to create stories and some > > > times some of the words serve to un-do > > > stories. > > > > > > We believe we " want " . > > > > > > We believe we can " have " . > > > > > > Is it true? > > > > > > Is there a we to want something, > > > or is that a story about lack? > > > > > > Is there a we to have something, > > > or is that a story about illusory > > > possession? > > > > Good point, Freyja. Maybe life without the story of lack is > complete. > > Then we don't need to _add_ something to our life, we just need to > > remove the story of discontent. > > > > I don't know about removing, but, > yes, AL, it's about.... > > > > " The Plan " > > I think I want something. > I think I can have something. > > Life is what happens > while we're busy making plans > and all that jazz. > > When does > anything ever really fully > go according to plans? > > Then there's the " contingency plan " LOL > and the contingency contingency plan > > So many times it ends up boiling down to > " aaah, let's just wing it " > and seat-o-the-pants. > > Yet, at the same time, > I am not saying never to follow > tried and true formulas ever. > > Ever notice how sometimes, the very > first time you try something you never > did before, you ace it? For instance, > throwing a dart at a dart board. > The first time I did it, I was focused on > it but not thinking about it. I hit the > bullseye. Then when I started > thinking about how I could duplicate > that again, and what was it I did before > to get it that I should do again... > I didn't get the bullseye. > Or maybe it is just beginner's luck? > I don't know if that is what it is. > > When things are going according to " plan " , > we're happy, > The minute they go off-course, > we get whiny. > > > Watching all the funny pratfalls > resulting from the best laid plans > gone awry > makes for a pretty good diversion, though, eh? ;-) > > ~freyja > > Yes, you are correct. Removing discontent is also a plan. Maybe seeing our plans in action is enough. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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