Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it Sweden or India. The land of the free is in the total liberation of the human mind. Where there is fear there cannot be freedom. Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas in the human mind related to time. What are these ideas? When we think about the future there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will be'. That division is not real, and because of that there is the manifestation of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in existence is separate. The only separation there is, is the illusion of separation. Without that illusion we cannot have any experiences. Therefore the illusion is valid. It is valid in that it creates the world of form. What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and transcend fear. Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick to the illusion of separation without separating yourself. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it Sweden or India. The > land of the free is in the total liberation of the human mind. Where > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas in the human mind > related to time. What are these ideas? When we think about the future > there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will be'. That > division is not real, and because of that there is the manifestation > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in existence is > separate. The only separation there is, is the illusion of separation. > Without that illusion we cannot have any experiences. Therefore the > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it creates the world of form. > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and transcend fear. > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick to the illusion of > separation without separating yourself. > > /AL so now you're going to sell your book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it Sweden or India. The > > land of the free is in the total liberation of the human mind. Where > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas in the human mind > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we think about the future > > there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will be'. That > > division is not real, and because of that there is the manifestation > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in existence is > > separate. The only separation there is, is the illusion of separation. > > Without that illusion we cannot have any experiences. Therefore the > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it creates the world of form. > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and transcend fear. > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick to the illusion of > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > /AL > > so now you're going to sell your book? Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am truly free from suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I frankly don't know what will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit about writing a book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it Sweden or India. The > > > land of the free is in the total liberation of the human mind. Where > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas in the human mind > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we think about the future > > > there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will be'. That > > > division is not real, and because of that there is the manifestation > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in existence is > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the illusion of separation. > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any experiences. Therefore the > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it creates the world of form. > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and transcend fear. > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick to the illusion of > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > /AL > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am truly free from > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I frankly don't know what > will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit about writing a > book. for example you could be free from suffering and still like swedish girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... writing a book about liberation from desire would be a good means to this end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it Sweden or India. The > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation of the human mind. Where > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas in the human mind > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we think about the > future > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will be'. That > > > > division is not real, and because of that there is the > manifestation > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in existence is > > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the illusion of > separation. > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any experiences. Therefore the > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it creates the world of form. > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and transcend fear. > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick to the illusion of > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am truly free from > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I frankly don't know what > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit about writing a > > book. > > for example you could be free from suffering and still like swedish > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... writing a book about > liberation from desire would be a good means to this end. Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young girls to my humble presence! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it Sweden or > India. The > > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation of the human mind. > Where > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas in the > human mind > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we think about the > > future > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will be'. That > > > > > division is not real, and because of that there is the > > manifestation > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in existence is > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the illusion of > > separation. > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any experiences. > Therefore the > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it creates the world of > form. > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and transcend fear. > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick to the illusion of > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am truly free from > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I frankly don't know what > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit about writing a > > > book. > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and still like swedish > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... writing a book about > > liberation from desire would be a good means to this end. > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young girls to my > humble presence! ;-) If you pay them they would not mind your presence shift from humble to proud and stiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it Sweden or > > India. The > > > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation of the human mind. > > Where > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas in the > > human mind > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we think about the > > > future > > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will be'. That > > > > > > division is not real, and because of that there is the > > > manifestation > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in existence is > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the illusion of > > > separation. > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any experiences. > > Therefore the > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it creates the world of > > form. > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and transcend fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick to the > illusion of > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am truly free from > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I frankly don't > know what > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit about writing a > > > > book. > > > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and still like swedish > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... writing a book about > > > liberation from desire would be a good means to this end. > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young girls to my > > humble presence! ;-) > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence shift from humble to > proud and stiff. But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be in a state of love. Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and mind can resemble any kind of love. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it Sweden or > > > India. The > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation of the human mind. > > > Where > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas in the > > > human mind > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we think about the > > > > future > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will be'. That > > > > > > > division is not real, and because of that there is the > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in existence is > > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the illusion of > > > > separation. > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any experiences. > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it creates the world of > > > form. > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and transcend > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick to the > > illusion of > > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am truly free from > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I frankly don't > > know what > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit about > writing a > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and still like swedish > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... writing a book about > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means to this end. > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young girls to my > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence shift from humble to > > proud and stiff. > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be in a state of love. > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and mind can resemble any > kind of love. LOL i understand the general philosophy, it is only about a localized stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it Sweden or > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation of the human > mind. > > > > Where > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas in the > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we think > about the > > > > > future > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will > be'. That > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because of that there is the > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in > existence is > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the illusion of > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any experiences. > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it creates the > world of > > > > form. > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and transcend > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick to the > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am truly free from > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I frankly don't > > > know what > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit about > > writing a > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and still like > swedish > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... writing a book about > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means to this end. > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young girls to my > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence shift from humble to > > > proud and stiff. > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be in a state of love. > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and mind can resemble any > > kind of love. LOL > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only about a localized > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti said: the human mind wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ final, but not in the way the the human intellect perceives it. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it Sweden or > > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation of the human > > mind. > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas in the > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we think > > about the > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will > > be'. That > > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because of that there is the > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in > > existence is > > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the illusion of > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any experiences. > > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it creates the > > world of > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and transcend > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick to the > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am truly free > from > > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I frankly don't > > > > know what > > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit about > > > writing a > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and still like > > swedish > > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... writing a book > about > > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means to this end. > > > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young girls to my > > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence shift from > humble to > > > > proud and stiff. > > > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be in a state of love. > > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and mind can resemble any > > > kind of love. LOL > > > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only about a localized > > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. > > Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti said: the human mind > wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ final, but not in > the way the the human intellect perceives it. no stiffness can last alas! > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it > Sweden or > > > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation of the human > > > mind. > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas > in the > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we think > > > about the > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will > > > be'. That > > > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because of that there is the > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in > > > existence is > > > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the > illusion of > > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any experiences. > > > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it creates the > > > world of > > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and > transcend > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick to the > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am truly free > > from > > > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I frankly don't > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit about > > > > writing a > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and still like > > > swedish > > > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... writing a book > > about > > > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means to this end. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young girls to my > > > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence shift from > > humble to > > > > > proud and stiff. > > > > > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be in a state of > love. > > > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and mind can resemble any > > > > kind of love. LOL > > > > > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only about a localized > > > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. > > > > Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti said: the human mind > > wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ final, but not in > > the way the the human intellect perceives it. > > no stiffness can last alas! > Well, the sad thing is that stiffness of being gets worse as one grows older. The good thing is that this stiffness can be recognized as hardened fear, a shield of personal protection. When that is seen, a melting dowm, a vaporization of stiffness can take place. The stiffness I am talking about is both in mind and in body. Mind and body are one. The body and the world are one. Sensing yourself as infinite Kosmos is the beginning of liberation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it > > Sweden or > > > > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation of the > human > > > > mind. > > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas > > in the > > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we think > > > > about the > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will > > > > be'. That > > > > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because of that there > is the > > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in > > > > existence is > > > > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the > > illusion of > > > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any experiences. > > > > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it creates the > > > > world of > > > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and > > transcend > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick to the > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am truly free > > > from > > > > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I frankly > don't > > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit about > > > > > writing a > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and still like > > > > swedish > > > > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... writing a book > > > about > > > > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means to this end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young girls > to my > > > > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence shift from > > > humble to > > > > > > proud and stiff. > > > > > > > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be in a state of > > love. > > > > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and mind can resemble any > > > > > kind of love. LOL > > > > > > > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only about a localized > > > > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. > > > > > > Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti said: the human mind > > > wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ final, but not in > > > the way the the human intellect perceives it. > > > > no stiffness can last alas! > > > > Well, the sad thing is that stiffness of being gets worse as one grows > older. The good thing is that this stiffness can be recognized as > hardened fear, a shield of personal protection. When that is seen, a > melting dowm, a vaporization of stiffness can take place. The > stiffness I am talking about is both in mind and in body. Mind and > body are one. The body and the world are one. Sensing yourself as > infinite Kosmos is the beginning of liberation. While some temporary stiffness can be a cause for bliss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it > > > Sweden or > > > > > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation of the > > human > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas > > > in the > > > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we think > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and 'what will > > > > > be'. That > > > > > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because of that there > > is the > > > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in > > > > > existence is > > > > > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any > experiences. > > > > > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it > creates the > > > > > world of > > > > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and > > > transcend > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick > to the > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am > truly free > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I frankly > > don't > > > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit > about > > > > > > writing a > > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and still > like > > > > > swedish > > > > > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... writing > a book > > > > about > > > > > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means to this end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young girls > > to my > > > > > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence shift from > > > > humble to > > > > > > > proud and stiff. > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be in a state of > > > love. > > > > > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and mind can > resemble any > > > > > > kind of love. LOL > > > > > > > > > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only about a localized > > > > > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. > > > > > > > > Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti said: the human mind > > > > wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ final, but not in > > > > the way the the human intellect perceives it. > > > > > > no stiffness can last alas! > > > > > > > Well, the sad thing is that stiffness of being gets worse as one grows > > older. The good thing is that this stiffness can be recognized as > > hardened fear, a shield of personal protection. When that is seen, a > > melting dowm, a vaporization of stiffness can take place. The > > stiffness I am talking about is both in mind and in body. Mind and > > body are one. The body and the world are one. Sensing yourself as > > infinite Kosmos is the beginning of liberation. > > While some temporary stiffness can be a cause for bliss. Rigid structures is not the problem. :=) The problem is the illusion that there has to be effort for maintaining final objects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it > > > > Sweden or > > > > > > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation of the > > > human > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the ideas > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we > think > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and > 'what will > > > > > > be'. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because of that there > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in > > > > > > existence is > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it > > creates the > > > > > > world of > > > > > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and > > > > transcend > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick > > to the > > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am > > truly free > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I frankly > > > don't > > > > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit > > about > > > > > > > writing a > > > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and still > > like > > > > > > swedish > > > > > > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... writing > > a book > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means to this > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young girls > > > to my > > > > > > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence shift from > > > > > humble to > > > > > > > > proud and stiff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be in a > state of > > > > love. > > > > > > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and mind can > > resemble any > > > > > > > kind of love. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only about a > localized > > > > > > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. > > > > > > > > > > Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti said: the human mind > > > > > wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ final, but > not in > > > > > the way the the human intellect perceives it. > > > > > > > > no stiffness can last alas! > > > > > > > > > > Well, the sad thing is that stiffness of being gets worse as one grows > > > older. The good thing is that this stiffness can be recognized as > > > hardened fear, a shield of personal protection. When that is seen, a > > > melting dowm, a vaporization of stiffness can take place. The > > > stiffness I am talking about is both in mind and in body. Mind and > > > body are one. The body and the world are one. Sensing yourself as > > > infinite Kosmos is the beginning of liberation. > > > > While some temporary stiffness can be a cause for bliss. > > Rigid structures is not the problem. :=) The problem is the illusion > that there has to be effort for maintaining final objects. then if rigidity comes and goes effortlessly all is for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor is it > > > > > Sweden or > > > > > > > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation > of the > > > > human > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the > ideas > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we > > think > > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and > > 'what will > > > > > > > be'. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because of that there > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. Nothing in > > > > > > > existence is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it > > > creates the > > > > > > > world of > > > > > > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep form and > > > > > transcend > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick > > > to the > > > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am > > > truly free > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I > frankly > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give a shit > > > about > > > > > > > > writing a > > > > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and still > > > like > > > > > > > swedish > > > > > > > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... writing > > > a book > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means to this > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young > girls > > > > to my > > > > > > > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence > shift from > > > > > > humble to > > > > > > > > > proud and stiff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be in a > > state of > > > > > love. > > > > > > > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and mind can > > > resemble any > > > > > > > > kind of love. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only about a > > localized > > > > > > > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti said: the > human mind > > > > > > wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ final, but > > not in > > > > > > the way the the human intellect perceives it. > > > > > > > > > > no stiffness can last alas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, the sad thing is that stiffness of being gets worse as one > grows > > > > older. The good thing is that this stiffness can be recognized as > > > > hardened fear, a shield of personal protection. When that is seen, a > > > > melting dowm, a vaporization of stiffness can take place. The > > > > stiffness I am talking about is both in mind and in body. Mind and > > > > body are one. The body and the world are one. Sensing yourself as > > > > infinite Kosmos is the beginning of liberation. > > > > > > While some temporary stiffness can be a cause for bliss. > > > > Rigid structures is not the problem. :=) The problem is the illusion > > that there has to be effort for maintaining final objects. > > then if rigidity comes and goes effortlessly all is for the best. Yes, if we could see that reality can take care of everything, including the maintaining of final objects, then we would become free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor > is it > > > > > > Sweden or > > > > > > > > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation > > of the > > > > > human > > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the > > ideas > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? When we > > > think > > > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and > > > 'what will > > > > > > > > be'. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because of that > there > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. > Nothing in > > > > > > > > existence is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, is the > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it > > > > creates the > > > > > > > > world of > > > > > > > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep > form and > > > > > > transcend > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. Stick > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am > > > > truly free > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I > > frankly > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give > a shit > > > > about > > > > > > > > > writing a > > > > > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and > still > > > > like > > > > > > > > swedish > > > > > > > > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... > writing > > > > a book > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means to this > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young > > girls > > > > > to my > > > > > > > > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence > > shift from > > > > > > > humble to > > > > > > > > > > proud and stiff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be in a > > > state of > > > > > > love. > > > > > > > > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and mind can > > > > resemble any > > > > > > > > > kind of love. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only about a > > > localized > > > > > > > > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti said: the > > human mind > > > > > > > wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ final, but > > > not in > > > > > > > the way the the human intellect perceives it. > > > > > > > > > > > > no stiffness can last alas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, the sad thing is that stiffness of being gets worse as one > > grows > > > > > older. The good thing is that this stiffness can be recognized as > > > > > hardened fear, a shield of personal protection. When that is > seen, a > > > > > melting dowm, a vaporization of stiffness can take place. The > > > > > stiffness I am talking about is both in mind and in body. Mind and > > > > > body are one. The body and the world are one. Sensing yourself as > > > > > infinite Kosmos is the beginning of liberation. > > > > > > > > While some temporary stiffness can be a cause for bliss. > > > > > > Rigid structures is not the problem. :=) The problem is the illusion > > > that there has to be effort for maintaining final objects. > > > > then if rigidity comes and goes effortlessly all is for the best. > > Yes, if we could see that reality can take care of everything, > including the maintaining of final objects, then we would become free. [see Anders we've built a splendid lay out of sentences in a form of mountain here above] the wish that we'd see that everything is taken care of is also taken care of? or is it separately monitoring the " taking care of (or not) " state of things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > > > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor > > is it > > > > > > > Sweden or > > > > > > > > > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total liberation > > > of the > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear because the > > > ideas > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? > When we > > > > think > > > > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and > > > > 'what will > > > > > > > > > be'. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because of that > > there > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. > > Nothing in > > > > > > > > > existence is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, > is the > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it > > > > > creates the > > > > > > > > > world of > > > > > > > > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep > > form and > > > > > > > transcend > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. > Stick > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when I am > > > > > truly free > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I > > > frankly > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give > > a shit > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > writing a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and > > still > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > swedish > > > > > > > > > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... > > writing > > > > > a book > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means > to this > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing young > > > girls > > > > > > to my > > > > > > > > > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence > > > shift from > > > > > > > > humble to > > > > > > > > > > > proud and stiff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be in a > > > > state of > > > > > > > love. > > > > > > > > > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and mind can > > > > > resemble any > > > > > > > > > > kind of love. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only about a > > > > localized > > > > > > > > > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti said: the > > > human mind > > > > > > > > wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ final, but > > > > not in > > > > > > > > the way the the human intellect perceives it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no stiffness can last alas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, the sad thing is that stiffness of being gets worse as one > > > grows > > > > > > older. The good thing is that this stiffness can be > recognized as > > > > > > hardened fear, a shield of personal protection. When that is > > seen, a > > > > > > melting dowm, a vaporization of stiffness can take place. The > > > > > > stiffness I am talking about is both in mind and in body. > Mind and > > > > > > body are one. The body and the world are one. Sensing > yourself as > > > > > > infinite Kosmos is the beginning of liberation. > > > > > > > > > > While some temporary stiffness can be a cause for bliss. > > > > > > > > Rigid structures is not the problem. :=) The problem is the illusion > > > > that there has to be effort for maintaining final objects. > > > > > > then if rigidity comes and goes effortlessly all is for the best. > > > > Yes, if we could see that reality can take care of everything, > > including the maintaining of final objects, then we would become free. > > [see Anders we've built a splendid lay out of sentences in a form of > mountain here above] > the wish that we'd see that everything is taken care of is also taken > care of? or is it separately monitoring the " taking care of (or not) " > state of things? Good point. The feeling of being incomplete is real, that's the real feeling for most human beings. I believe, what must happen for us to be free is the obliteration of our sense of inferiority and puffed-up sense of superficial narrow small and childish sense of superiority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > > > > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the U.S., nor > > > is it > > > > > > > > Sweden or > > > > > > > > > > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total > liberation > > > > of the > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear > because the > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? > > When we > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what is' and > > > > > 'what will > > > > > > > > > > be'. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because of that > > > there > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. > > > Nothing in > > > > > > > > > > existence is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, > > is the > > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any > > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in that it > > > > > > creates the > > > > > > > > > > world of > > > > > > > > > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep > > > form and > > > > > > > > transcend > > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. > > Stick > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when > I am > > > > > > truly free > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a state, I > > > > frankly > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't give > > > a shit > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > writing a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from suffering and > > > still > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > swedish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... > > > writing > > > > > > a book > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means > > to this > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing > young > > > > girls > > > > > > > to my > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence > > > > shift from > > > > > > > > > humble to > > > > > > > > > > > > proud and stiff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be > in a > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > love. > > > > > > > > > > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and mind can > > > > > > resemble any > > > > > > > > > > > kind of love. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only about a > > > > > localized > > > > > > > > > > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti said: the > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ > final, but > > > > > not in > > > > > > > > > the way the the human intellect perceives it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no stiffness can last alas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, the sad thing is that stiffness of being gets worse > as one > > > > grows > > > > > > > older. The good thing is that this stiffness can be > > recognized as > > > > > > > hardened fear, a shield of personal protection. When that is > > > seen, a > > > > > > > melting dowm, a vaporization of stiffness can take place. The > > > > > > > stiffness I am talking about is both in mind and in body. > > Mind and > > > > > > > body are one. The body and the world are one. Sensing > > yourself as > > > > > > > infinite Kosmos is the beginning of liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > While some temporary stiffness can be a cause for bliss. > > > > > > > > > > Rigid structures is not the problem. :=) The problem is the > illusion > > > > > that there has to be effort for maintaining final objects. > > > > > > > > then if rigidity comes and goes effortlessly all is for the best. > > > > > > Yes, if we could see that reality can take care of everything, > > > including the maintaining of final objects, then we would become free. > > > > [see Anders we've built a splendid lay out of sentences in a form of > > mountain here above] > > the wish that we'd see that everything is taken care of is also taken > > care of? or is it separately monitoring the " taking care of (or not) " > > state of things? > > Good point. The feeling of being incomplete is real, that's the real > feeling for most human beings. I believe, what must happen for us to > be free is the obliteration of our sense of inferiority and puffed-up > sense of superficial narrow small and childish sense of superiority. in being a child or angry or selfish or superior we display only the changing patterns of our culture, we are what everyone is in turn, now it's me who feels superior or childish, then it's you then it's John, but in the dwelling into a single pattern we have come to a kind of conclusion that seemingly isolates us from the perpetual movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > > > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > > > > > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the > U.S., nor > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > Sweden or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total > > liberation > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear > > because the > > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? > > > When we > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what > is' and > > > > > > 'what will > > > > > > > > > > > be'. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because > of that > > > > there > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. > > > > Nothing in > > > > > > > > > > > existence is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation there is, > > > is the > > > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot have any > > > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in > that it > > > > > > > creates the > > > > > > > > > > > world of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep > > > > form and > > > > > > > > > transcend > > > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure it is. > > > Stick > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation without separating yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when > > I am > > > > > > > truly free > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a > state, I > > > > > frankly > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't > give > > > > a shit > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > writing a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from > suffering and > > > > still > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > swedish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need money ... > > > > writing > > > > > > > a book > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means > > > to this > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing > > young > > > > > girls > > > > > > > > to my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your presence > > > > > shift from > > > > > > > > > > humble to > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud and stiff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be > > in a > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > love. > > > > > > > > > > > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and > mind can > > > > > > > resemble any > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of love. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only > about a > > > > > > localized > > > > > > > > > > > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti said: the > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ > > final, but > > > > > > not in > > > > > > > > > > the way the the human intellect perceives it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no stiffness can last alas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, the sad thing is that stiffness of being gets worse > > as one > > > > > grows > > > > > > > > older. The good thing is that this stiffness can be > > > recognized as > > > > > > > > hardened fear, a shield of personal protection. When that is > > > > seen, a > > > > > > > > melting dowm, a vaporization of stiffness can take > place. The > > > > > > > > stiffness I am talking about is both in mind and in body. > > > Mind and > > > > > > > > body are one. The body and the world are one. Sensing > > > yourself as > > > > > > > > infinite Kosmos is the beginning of liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While some temporary stiffness can be a cause for bliss. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rigid structures is not the problem. :=) The problem is the > > illusion > > > > > > that there has to be effort for maintaining final objects. > > > > > > > > > > then if rigidity comes and goes effortlessly all is for the best. > > > > > > > > Yes, if we could see that reality can take care of everything, > > > > including the maintaining of final objects, then we would become > free. > > > > > > [see Anders we've built a splendid lay out of sentences in a form of > > > mountain here above] > > > the wish that we'd see that everything is taken care of is also taken > > > care of? or is it separately monitoring the " taking care of (or not) " > > > state of things? > > > > Good point. The feeling of being incomplete is real, that's the real > > feeling for most human beings. I believe, what must happen for us to > > be free is the obliteration of our sense of inferiority and puffed-up > > sense of superficial narrow small and childish sense of superiority. > > in being a child or angry or selfish or superior we display only the > changing patterns of our culture, we are what everyone is in turn, now > it's me who feels superior or childish, then it's you then it's John, > but in the dwelling into a single pattern we have come to a kind of > conclusion that seemingly isolates us from the perpetual movement. Any idea held is an idea molded into a cemented rigid construct by effort or by natural allowance. The difference between these two constructs is on the surface not readily seen, but can be profoundly felt in one's own inner being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > > > > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > > > > > > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the > > U.S., nor > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > Sweden or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total > > > liberation > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear > > > because the > > > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these ideas? > > > > When we > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what > > is' and > > > > > > > 'what will > > > > > > > > > > > > be'. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because > > of that > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of illusions. > > > > > Nothing in > > > > > > > > > > > > existence is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation > there is, > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot > have any > > > > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in > > that it > > > > > > > > creates the > > > > > > > > > > > > world of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is to keep > > > > > form and > > > > > > > > > > transcend > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure > it is. > > > > Stick > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation without separating > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a book when > > > I am > > > > > > > > truly free > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a > > state, I > > > > > > frankly > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't > > give > > > > > a shit > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > writing a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from > > suffering and > > > > > still > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > swedish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need > money ... > > > > > writing > > > > > > > > a book > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good means > > > > to this > > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet drawing > > > young > > > > > > girls > > > > > > > > > to my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your > presence > > > > > > shift from > > > > > > > > > > > humble to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud and stiff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would not be > > > in a > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and > > mind can > > > > > > > > resemble any > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of love. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only > > about a > > > > > > > localized > > > > > > > > > > > > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen persons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti > said: the > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > > wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ > > > final, but > > > > > > > not in > > > > > > > > > > > the way the the human intellect perceives it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no stiffness can last alas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, the sad thing is that stiffness of being gets worse > > > as one > > > > > > grows > > > > > > > > > older. The good thing is that this stiffness can be > > > > recognized as > > > > > > > > > hardened fear, a shield of personal protection. When > that is > > > > > seen, a > > > > > > > > > melting dowm, a vaporization of stiffness can take > > place. The > > > > > > > > > stiffness I am talking about is both in mind and in body. > > > > Mind and > > > > > > > > > body are one. The body and the world are one. Sensing > > > > yourself as > > > > > > > > > infinite Kosmos is the beginning of liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While some temporary stiffness can be a cause for bliss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rigid structures is not the problem. :=) The problem is the > > > illusion > > > > > > > that there has to be effort for maintaining final objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > then if rigidity comes and goes effortlessly all is for the > best. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, if we could see that reality can take care of everything, > > > > > including the maintaining of final objects, then we would become > > free. > > > > > > > > [see Anders we've built a splendid lay out of sentences in a form of > > > > mountain here above] > > > > the wish that we'd see that everything is taken care of is also > taken > > > > care of? or is it separately monitoring the " taking care of (or > not) " > > > > state of things? > > > > > > Good point. The feeling of being incomplete is real, that's the real > > > feeling for most human beings. I believe, what must happen for us to > > > be free is the obliteration of our sense of inferiority and puffed-up > > > sense of superficial narrow small and childish sense of superiority. > > > > in being a child or angry or selfish or superior we display only the > > changing patterns of our culture, we are what everyone is in turn, now > > it's me who feels superior or childish, then it's you then it's John, > > but in the dwelling into a single pattern we have come to a kind of > > conclusion that seemingly isolates us from the perpetual movement. > > Any idea held is an idea molded into a cemented rigid construct by > effort or by natural allowance. The difference between these two > constructs is on the surface not readily seen, but can be profoundly > felt in one's own inner being. This inner being is the lie that hurts, anything you've chosen to be your deep down immovable eternal truth is a burden. The surface of things is what matters, where everything takes meaning and joyfully changes, your idea of a core is a source of hangups, nothing is you in this instant that will be you in the next. As the metaphore goes: " eventually we disappear, where is the core gone? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > > > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > > > > > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " Eric > > > > > > > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The land of the free is not the > > > U.S., nor > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > > Sweden or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > land of the free is in the total > > > > liberation > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is fear there cannot be > freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there fear? There is fear > > > > because the > > > > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to time. What are these > ideas? > > > > > When we > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a division between 'what > > > is' and > > > > > > > > 'what will > > > > > > > > > > > > > be'. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > division is not real, and because > > > of that > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of conflict in the form of > illusions. > > > > > > Nothing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate. The only separation > > there is, > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without that illusion we cannot > > have any > > > > > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion is valid. It is valid in > > > that it > > > > > > > > > creates the > > > > > > > > > > > > > world of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we want, symbolically, is > to keep > > > > > > form and > > > > > > > > > > > transcend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a fearless life possible? Sure > > it is. > > > > > Stick > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation without separating > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so now you're going to sell your book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe. I am thinking of writing a > book when > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > truly free > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering. However, if I reach such a > > > state, I > > > > > > > frankly > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will happen. Probably I would then don't > > > give > > > > > > a shit > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writing a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example you could be free from > > > suffering and > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > swedish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girls between 18 and 22 and so need > > money ... > > > > > > writing > > > > > > > > > a book > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberation from desire would be a good > means > > > > > to this > > > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. Maybe such book would be a magnet > drawing > > > > young > > > > > > > girls > > > > > > > > > > to my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble presence! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pay them they would not mind your > > presence > > > > > > > shift from > > > > > > > > > > > > humble to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud and stiff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I am proud and stiff myself, I would > not be > > > > in a > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only soothing aliveness and ease of body and > > > mind can > > > > > > > > > resemble any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of love. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i understand the general philosophy, it is only > > > about a > > > > > > > > localized > > > > > > > > > > > > > stiffness at an appointed time with chosen > persons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stiffness is the illusion. As J. Krishnamurti > > said: the > > > > > > > human mind > > > > > > > > > > > > wants every object to be final. Every object _is_ > > > > final, but > > > > > > > > not in > > > > > > > > > > > > the way the the human intellect perceives it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no stiffness can last alas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, the sad thing is that stiffness of being gets > worse > > > > as one > > > > > > > grows > > > > > > > > > > older. The good thing is that this stiffness can be > > > > > recognized as > > > > > > > > > > hardened fear, a shield of personal protection. When > > that is > > > > > > seen, a > > > > > > > > > > melting dowm, a vaporization of stiffness can take > > > place. The > > > > > > > > > > stiffness I am talking about is both in mind and in > body. > > > > > Mind and > > > > > > > > > > body are one. The body and the world are one. Sensing > > > > > yourself as > > > > > > > > > > infinite Kosmos is the beginning of liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While some temporary stiffness can be a cause for bliss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rigid structures is not the problem. :=) The problem is the > > > > illusion > > > > > > > > that there has to be effort for maintaining final objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then if rigidity comes and goes effortlessly all is for the > > best. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, if we could see that reality can take care of everything, > > > > > > including the maintaining of final objects, then we would become > > > free. > > > > > > > > > > [see Anders we've built a splendid lay out of sentences in a > form of > > > > > mountain here above] > > > > > the wish that we'd see that everything is taken care of is also > > taken > > > > > care of? or is it separately monitoring the " taking care of (or > > not) " > > > > > state of things? > > > > > > > > Good point. The feeling of being incomplete is real, that's the real > > > > feeling for most human beings. I believe, what must happen for us to > > > > be free is the obliteration of our sense of inferiority and > puffed-up > > > > sense of superficial narrow small and childish sense of superiority. > > > > > > in being a child or angry or selfish or superior we display only the > > > changing patterns of our culture, we are what everyone is in turn, now > > > it's me who feels superior or childish, then it's you then it's John, > > > but in the dwelling into a single pattern we have come to a kind of > > > conclusion that seemingly isolates us from the perpetual movement. > > > > Any idea held is an idea molded into a cemented rigid construct by > > effort or by natural allowance. The difference between these two > > constructs is on the surface not readily seen, but can be profoundly > > felt in one's own inner being. > > This inner being is the lie that hurts, anything you've chosen to be > your deep down immovable eternal truth is a burden. > The surface of things is what matters, where everything takes meaning > and joyfully changes, your idea of a core is a source of hangups, > nothing is you in this instant that will be you in the next. > As the metaphore goes: > " eventually we disappear, where is the core gone? " Ideas of separation creates a hardened core, and realization of oneness softens the heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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