Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Anders, > > Forgive me sticking my nose into this. > > We are not passive observers of our thoughts, we ARE our thoughts. > > It seems you find it hard to accpet that you don't exist as a > observer or still better not to exist as a subject at all. > > Werner So Werner, was Nisargadatta in a perfect state of awareness at each moment? for example, if you ask him the routine movements he did ten minutes or an hour ago, would he recall them in detail? would he for example misplace his cigarette lighter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hmm Eric, I don't know, even if I would have personally known Niz I couldn't answer that question. But what help is it for me if Niz was a perfect aware being when next time I forgot the keys to my house and no longer can enter ? Werner Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Hi Anders, > > > > Forgive me sticking my nose into this. > > > > We are not passive observers of our thoughts, we ARE our thoughts. > > > > It seems you find it hard to accpet that you don't exist as a > > observer or still better not to exist as a subject at all. > > > > Werner > > So Werner, was Nisargadatta in a perfect state of awareness at each > moment? for example, if you ask him the routine movements he did ten > minutes or an hour ago, would he recall them in detail? would he for > example misplace his cigarette lighter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hmm Eric, > > I don't know, even if I would have personally known Niz I couldn't > answer that question. But what help is it for me if Niz was a perfect > aware being when next time I forgot the keys to my house and no > longer can enter ? > > Werner Sorry i did not explain it correctly; do you think that realization is awareness of each moment? for example, if you ask Nisargadatta the routine movements he did ten minutes or an hour ago, would he recall them in detail? would he for example misplace his cigarette lighter? > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Anders, > > > > > > Forgive me sticking my nose into this. > > > > > > We are not passive observers of our thoughts, we ARE our thoughts. > > > > > > It seems you find it hard to accpet that you don't exist as a > > > observer or still better not to exist as a subject at all. > > > > > > Werner > > > > So Werner, was Nisargadatta in a perfect state of awareness at each > > moment? for example, if you ask him the routine movements he did ten > > minutes or an hour ago, would he recall them in detail? would he for > > example misplace his cigarette lighter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 - Eric Paroissien Nisargadatta Monday, January 24, 2005 11:03 PM Re: Nisargadatta and awareness Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Anders, > > Forgive me sticking my nose into this. > > We are not passive observers of our thoughts, we ARE our thoughts. > > It seems you find it hard to accpet that you don't exist as a > observer or still better not to exist as a subject at all. > > Werner So Werner, was Nisargadatta in a perfect state of awareness at each moment? for example, if you ask him the routine movements he did ten minutes or an hour ago, would he recall them in detail? would he for example misplace his cigarette lighter? ----- Memory........arises......may or may not get used......disappears. In Awareness. The appeared-disappeared object labeled Nisargadatta.......was not Nisargadatta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Eric, I am not an expert in realization and what I have read about that in different books is more confusing than helping. I do here my daily little things and if Niz was able to completely recall the routines of an hour ago maybe he better would have earned his money in tv shows than with selling cigarettes Werner Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Hmm Eric, > > > > I don't know, even if I would have personally known Niz I couldn't > > answer that question. But what help is it for me if Niz was a perfect > > aware being when next time I forgot the keys to my house and no > > longer can enter ? > > > > Werner > > Sorry i did not explain it correctly; do you think that realization is > awareness of each moment? for example, if you ask Nisargadatta the > routine movements he did ten minutes or an hour ago, would he recall > them in detail? would he for example misplace his cigarette lighter? > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Anders, > > > > > > > > Forgive me sticking my nose into this. > > > > > > > > We are not passive observers of our thoughts, we ARE our thoughts. > > > > > > > > It seems you find it hard to accpet that you don't exist as a > > > > observer or still better not to exist as a subject at all. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > So Werner, was Nisargadatta in a perfect state of awareness at each > > > moment? for example, if you ask him the routine movements he did ten > > > minutes or an hour ago, would he recall them in detail? would he for > > > example misplace his cigarette lighter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Eric, > > I am not an expert in realization and what I have read about that in > different books is more confusing than helping. > > I do here my daily little things and if Niz was able to completely > recall the routines of an hour ago maybe he better would have earned > his money in tv shows than with selling cigarettes > > Werner So are you clear about your expectations in realization, like, if you wish that one day you'd " realize the self " , what would change in you? .... because, one thing is sure, you cannot desire something you can't define, right? or do you tell me that you are not a seeker? > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > Hmm Eric, > > > > > > I don't know, even if I would have personally known Niz I > couldn't > > > answer that question. But what help is it for me if Niz was a > perfect > > > aware being when next time I forgot the keys to my house and no > > > longer can enter ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > Sorry i did not explain it correctly; do you think that realization > is > > awareness of each moment? for example, if you ask Nisargadatta the > > routine movements he did ten minutes or an hour ago, would he recall > > them in detail? would he for example misplace his cigarette lighter? > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anders, > > > > > > > > > > Forgive me sticking my nose into this. > > > > > > > > > > We are not passive observers of our thoughts, we ARE our > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > It seems you find it hard to accpet that you don't exist as a > > > > > observer or still better not to exist as a subject at all. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > So Werner, was Nisargadatta in a perfect state of awareness at > each > > > > moment? for example, if you ask him the routine movements he > did ten > > > > minutes or an hour ago, would he recall them in detail? would > he for > > > > example misplace his cigarette lighter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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