Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Eric, > > > > I am not an expert in realization and what I have read about that in > > different books is more confusing than helping. > > > > I do here my daily little things and if Niz was able to completely > > recall the routines of an hour ago maybe he better would have earned > > his money in tv shows than with selling cigarettes > > > > Werner > > So are you clear about your expectations in realization, like, if you > wish that one day you'd " realize the self " , what would change in you? > ... > because, one thing is sure, you cannot desire something you can't > define, right? > or do you tell me that you are not a seeker? In fact it is like saying: are you satisfied in human life as it is manifested in you or do you think that it is better actuallized in other people who would display some qualities that are only latent in regular human beings but in full bloom in authorities like Nisargadatta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Eric, It depends on what a seeker means for you to answer that question if I am still a seeker, but I don't care to be seen as a seeker. Werner Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > I am not an expert in realization and what I have read about that in > > > different books is more confusing than helping. > > > > > > I do here my daily little things and if Niz was able to completely > > > recall the routines of an hour ago maybe he better would have earned > > > his money in tv shows than with selling cigarettes > > > > > > Werner > > > > So are you clear about your expectations in realization, like, if you > > wish that one day you'd " realize the self " , what would change in you? > > ... > > because, one thing is sure, you cannot desire something you can't > > define, right? > > or do you tell me that you are not a seeker? > > In fact it is like saying: > are you satisfied in human life as it is manifested in you or do you > think that it is better actuallized in other people who would display > some qualities that are only latent in regular human beings but in > full bloom in authorities like Nisargadatta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Eric, > > It depends on what a seeker means for you to answer that question if > I am still a seeker, but I don't care to be seen as a seeker. > > Werner So if you were a seeker that would mean that your actual state is unsatisfactory, wouldn't it? that you aspire to something? > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in realization and what I have read about > that in > > > > different books is more confusing than helping. > > > > > > > > I do here my daily little things and if Niz was able to > completely > > > > recall the routines of an hour ago maybe he better would have > earned > > > > his money in tv shows than with selling cigarettes > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > So are you clear about your expectations in realization, like, if > you > > > wish that one day you'd " realize the self " , what would change in > you? > > > ... > > > because, one thing is sure, you cannot desire something you can't > > > define, right? > > > or do you tell me that you are not a seeker? > > > > In fact it is like saying: > > are you satisfied in human life as it is manifested in you or do you > > think that it is better actuallized in other people who would > display > > some qualities that are only latent in regular human beings but in > > full bloom in authorities like Nisargadatta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Surely Eric, But I was often during the time before I started to seek in an unsatisfactory state and also when I was seeking and now I am an old man who's bones are cracking and hurting when getting up in the morning. And I am no longer seeking, life already is frustrating enough. And I think I don't mind if realization (whatever that is) falls into my lap, but I fear my bones won't stop cracking and hurting and I will go on smoking. Werner Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Eric, > > > > It depends on what a seeker means for you to answer that question if > > I am still a seeker, but I don't care to be seen as a seeker. > > > > Werner > > So if you were a seeker that would mean that your actual state is > unsatisfactory, wouldn't it? that you aspire to something? > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in realization and what I have read about > > that in > > > > > different books is more confusing than helping. > > > > > > > > > > I do here my daily little things and if Niz was able to > > completely > > > > > recall the routines of an hour ago maybe he better would have > > earned > > > > > his money in tv shows than with selling cigarettes > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > So are you clear about your expectations in realization, like, if > > you > > > > wish that one day you'd " realize the self " , what would change in > > you? > > > > ... > > > > because, one thing is sure, you cannot desire something you can't > > > > define, right? > > > > or do you tell me that you are not a seeker? > > > > > > In fact it is like saying: > > > are you satisfied in human life as it is manifested in you or do you > > > think that it is better actuallized in other people who would > > display > > > some qualities that are only latent in regular human beings but in > > > full bloom in authorities like Nisargadatta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Surely Eric, > > But I was often during the time before I started to seek in an > unsatisfactory state and also when I was seeking and now I am an old > man who's bones are cracking and hurting when getting up in the > morning. And I am no longer seeking, life already is frustrating > enough. And I think I don't mind if realization (whatever that is) > falls into my lap, but I fear my bones won't stop cracking and > hurting and I will go on smoking. > > Werner I thought you'd say, i don't mind if it never comes. ;-) > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > It depends on what a seeker means for you to answer that question > if > > > I am still a seeker, but I don't care to be seen as a seeker. > > > > > > Werner > > > > So if you were a seeker that would mean that your actual state is > > unsatisfactory, wouldn't it? that you aspire to something? > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in realization and what I have read > about > > > that in > > > > > > different books is more confusing than helping. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do here my daily little things and if Niz was able to > > > completely > > > > > > recall the routines of an hour ago maybe he better would > have > > > earned > > > > > > his money in tv shows than with selling cigarettes > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > So are you clear about your expectations in realization, > like, if > > > you > > > > > wish that one day you'd " realize the self " , what would change > in > > > you? > > > > > ... > > > > > because, one thing is sure, you cannot desire something you > can't > > > > > define, right? > > > > > or do you tell me that you are not a seeker? > > > > > > > > In fact it is like saying: > > > > are you satisfied in human life as it is manifested in you or > do you > > > > think that it is better actuallized in other people who would > > > display > > > > some qualities that are only latent in regular human beings but > in > > > > full bloom in authorities like Nisargadatta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Surely Eric, > > > > But I was often during the time before I started to seek in an > > unsatisfactory state and also when I was seeking and now I am an old > > man who's bones are cracking and hurting when getting up in the > > morning. And I am no longer seeking, life already is frustrating > > enough. if your life is frustrating, that means you're seeking. yeah? nnb And I think I don't mind if realization (whatever that is) > > falls into my lap, but I fear my bones won't stop cracking and > > hurting and I will go on smoking. > > > > Werner > > I thought you'd say, i don't mind if it never comes. ;-) > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > > > It depends on what a seeker means for you to answer that question > > if > > > > I am still a seeker, but I don't care to be seen as a seeker. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > So if you were a seeker that would mean that your actual state is > > > unsatisfactory, wouldn't it? that you aspire to something? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@p...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in realization and what I have read > > about > > > > that in > > > > > > > different books is more confusing than helping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do here my daily little things and if Niz was able to > > > > completely > > > > > > > recall the routines of an hour ago maybe he better would > > have > > > > earned > > > > > > > his money in tv shows than with selling cigarettes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > So are you clear about your expectations in realization, > > like, if > > > > you > > > > > > wish that one day you'd " realize the self " , what would change > > in > > > > you? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > because, one thing is sure, you cannot desire something you > > can't > > > > > > define, right? > > > > > > or do you tell me that you are not a seeker? > > > > > > > > > > In fact it is like saying: > > > > > are you satisfied in human life as it is manifested in you or > > do you > > > > > think that it is better actuallized in other people who would > > > > display > > > > > some qualities that are only latent in regular human beings but > > in > > > > > full bloom in authorities like Nisargadatta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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