Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. have different answers to the two questions below. If one is asked these questions, what answers are there? Can these questions be answered? Is there someone who can answer one or both of these questions not from a conceptual perspective or an idea held, assumed or believed, but from living experience as it is. Any one one willing to answer and to describe what it is like to be that answer if asked? Who are you? Or What are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. > have different answers to the two questions below. If one is asked > these questions, what answers are there? Can these questions be answered? > > Is there someone who can answer one or both of these questions not > from a conceptual perspective or an idea held, assumed or believed, > but from living experience as it is. Any one one willing to answer and > to describe what it is like to be that answer if asked? > > Who are you? I am Arvind. > > Or > > What are you? I am a man. Next... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi Lewis, I don't ask such a question. Werner Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. > have different answers to the two questions below. If one is asked > these questions, what answers are there? Can these questions be answered? > > Is there someone who can answer one or both of these questions not > from a conceptual perspective or an idea held, assumed or believed, > but from living experience as it is. Any one one willing to answer and > to describe what it is like to be that answer if asked? > > Who are you? > > Or > > What are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Werner Woehr wrote: > > Hi Lewis, > > I don't ask such a question. > > Werner That is ok. But if you are asked the question(s) what answer is there from Werner? Lewis > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > > Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, > etc. > > have different answers to the two questions below. If one is asked > > these questions, what answers are there? Can these questions be > answered? > > > > Is there someone who can answer one or both of these questions not > > from a conceptual perspective or an idea held, assumed or believed, > > but from living experience as it is. Any one one willing to answer > and > > to describe what it is like to be that answer if asked? > > > > Who are you? > > > > Or > > > > What are you? > > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. > have different answers to the two questions below. If one is asked > these questions, what answers are there? Can these questions be answered? > > Is there someone who can answer one or both of these questions not > from a conceptual perspective or an idea held, assumed or believed, > but from living experience as it is. Any one one willing to answer and > to describe what it is like to be that answer if asked? > > Who are you? > > Or > > What are you? Lewis, let us render the 'conceptual perspective vs 'living experience' issue as moot, could we? because any experience conveyed is also concept. i promise to share only that which has been confirmed in the fibre of my being, if that makes you happy :-), so.. i am here as everything i am not, and all thoughts are misperceivings, or, IOW, taking my localized appearance to be separate from everything else, or, IOW, as an 'ego' as it is commonly called, that thinks it is creating something... that thinks it can have and want and create knowing, believing, this story for a while, perhaps i can eventually finally cease to look out there, out there, for that which i am all the time, i am just bringing me home to myself. and, when no thought comes through, and there is just stillness, it's exactly like when I closed my eyes as a little child and there was nothing there, and i knew without a doubt that that was 'home' but yet, what i see when i look 'out there' i can find in each person place or thing adjective pronoun verb, etc..... I......see......you ~freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 carolina112900 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > > Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, > etc. > > have different answers to the two questions below. If one is asked > > these questions, what answers are there? Can these questions be > answered? > > > > Is there someone who can answer one or both of these questions not > > from a conceptual perspective or an idea held, assumed or believed, > > but from living experience as it is. Any one one willing to answer > and > > to describe what it is like to be that answer if asked? > > > > Who are you? > > > > Or > > > > What are you? > > > Lewis, > > let us render the 'conceptual perspective > vs 'living experience' issue as moot, could we? > because any experience conveyed is also concept. Yes. Of course. > > i promise to share only that which > has been confirmed in the fibre of > my being, if that makes you happy :-), Us happy is nice too. :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) > > so.. > > i am here as everything i am not, > and all thoughts are misperceivings, > or, IOW, taking my localized appearance > to be separate from everything else, or, IOW, as an > 'ego' as it is commonly called, that > thinks it is creating something... > that thinks it can have and want and create > > knowing, believing, this story for a while, > perhaps i can eventually finally cease to > look out there, out there, > for that which i am all the time, > i am just bringing me home to > myself. > > and, when no thought comes through, > and there is just stillness, > it's exactly like when I closed > my eyes as a little child and there > was nothing there, and i knew without > a doubt that that was 'home' > > but yet, what i see when i look > 'out there' i can find in each > person place or thing adjective > pronoun verb, etc..... > > I......see......you > > ~freyja Do you see me as I am, indefinable, or in my guises and identities, in the many songs I sing, in the many voices that speak? Am I clear to you or do you see me as being messy in what I assume to be here to speak in the ways that can be done? Am I transparent and clearly away from that which I put on? Can you hear me through it all? Do I seem lost in an identity or am I clear and free to you now? Is my voice without shade, does it sing that unknown song you know well in the fibre of your being? I see you looking out, calling and do you see me now looking into you as you which I am? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > > Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, > etc. > > have different answers to the two questions below. If one is asked > > these questions, what answers are there? Can these questions be > answered? > > > > Is there someone who can answer one or both of these questions not > > from a conceptual perspective or an idea held, assumed or believed, > > but from living experience as it is. Any one one willing to answer > and > > to describe what it is like to be that answer if asked? > > > > > > Who are you? > > I am Arvind. Who is Arvind? > > Or > > > > What are you? > > I am a man. What is a man? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > Do you see me as I am, indefinable, or in my guises and identities, in > the many songs I sing, in the many voices that speak? Am I clear to you > or do you see me as being messy in what I assume to be here to speak in > the ways that can be done? Am I transparent and clearly away from that > which I put on? Can you hear me through it all? Do I seem lost in an > identity or am I clear and free to you now? Is my voice without shade, > does it sing that unknown song you know well in the fibre of your being? > I see you looking out, calling and do you see me now looking into you as > you which I am? > > Lewis I see beautiful clear light as you Know and embrace the vulnerability that is you Hear your unknown song loud and clear Feel your untouchable touch Smile at your embracing of all appearances - the passion and curiosity to see and understand as many as come into your field and see you looking into me as me which you are ~freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 carolina112900 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Do you see me as I am, indefinable, or in my guises and identities, > in > > the many songs I sing, in the many voices that speak? Am I clear to > you > > or do you see me as being messy in what I assume to be here to > speak in > > the ways that can be done? Am I transparent and clearly away from > that > > which I put on? Can you hear me through it all? Do I seem lost in > an > > identity or am I clear and free to you now? Is my voice without > shade, > > does it sing that unknown song you know well in the fibre of your > being? > > I see you looking out, calling and do you see me now looking into > you as > > you which I am? > > > > Lewis > > > I see beautiful clear light as you > > Know and embrace the vulnerability > that is you > > Hear your unknown song loud and clear > > Feel your untouchable touch > > Smile at your embracing of all appearances - > the passion and curiosity to see and understand > as many as come into your field > > and see you looking into me as me which > you are > > > ~freyja We have well met in this place and our secret is no more. And what is to be done that we are out? I do not wish to recede behind the assumed and it may be that way since none else beside you and Arvind have come to the call. How are we to speak openly of that that has no limit and expressed in those words that enter only the inner recesses? How wonderful it is to be free and fully vulnerable with those you are with. Are we to recede again, freyja, to withdraw behind that which we temporarily assume, the various veils, the becoming of this and that for the sake of what we do? Are there no others to answer the call to be here naked and unashamed? To share what we are? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Ok Lewis, If I never would have come in contact with any kind of spiritual literature I would give the same answer as Arvind: I am Werner and I am a male, or I am the body. I remember when I was a young man and I was on a LSD trip in the mountains, this question " Who am I " arose and I never have read any spiritual books before. After a while two crows came flying and because it was very stormy they played with the storm and it was as I were flying with them and - I forgot that question " Who am I " . Werner Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > > > Hi Lewis, > > > > I don't ask such a question. > > > > Werner > > > > That is ok. But if you are asked the question(s) what answer is there > from Werner? > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, > > etc. > > > have different answers to the two questions below. If one is asked > > > these questions, what answers are there? Can these questions be > > answered? > > > > > > Is there someone who can answer one or both of these questions not > > > from a conceptual perspective or an idea held, assumed or believed, > > > but from living experience as it is. Any one one willing to answer > > and > > > to describe what it is like to be that answer if asked? > > > > > > Who are you? > > > > > > Or > > > > > > What are you? > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > > > ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: >If I never would have come in contact with any kind of spiritual >literature... Wow... and now throw away your books, come with us and fly with the crows, become a berserker, a lover, a teacher, a young punk... whatever you want... and find your friend who needs no words. The past has passed. Greetings S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Hi Stefan, Really beautiful words ! I thank you for your wondeful invitation. But tell me one thing: Who is " us " ? Werner Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > >If I never would have come in contact with any kind of spiritual > >literature... > > Wow... and now throw away your books, come with us and fly with the > crows, become a berserker, a lover, a teacher, a young punk... > whatever you want... and find your friend who needs no words. > > The past has passed. > > Greetings > S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Who is " us " ? those who have thrown away their books S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Werner Woehr wrote: > > Ok Lewis, > > If I never would have come in contact with any kind of spiritual > literature I would give the same answer as Arvind: > > I am Werner and I am a male, or I am the body. > > I remember when I was a young man and I was on a LSD trip in the > mountains, this question " Who am I " arose and I never have read any > spiritual books before. After a while two crows came flying and > because it was very stormy they played with the storm and it was as I > were flying with them and - I forgot that question " Who am I " . > > Werner Yes. That question can be forgotten and if it is of no significance then that is the answer to it. The answer ultimately is indefinable and so no answer or forgetfulness coupled with pleasant experiencing is all that matters. Lewis > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > > > > > Hi Lewis, > > > > > > I don't ask such a question. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > That is ok. But if you are asked the question(s) what answer is > there > > from Werner? > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Christianity, > Judaism, > > > etc. > > > > have different answers to the two questions below. If one is > asked > > > > these questions, what answers are there? Can these questions be > > > answered? > > > > > > > > Is there someone who can answer one or both of these questions > not > > > > from a conceptual perspective or an idea held, assumed or > believed, > > > > but from living experience as it is. Any one one willing to > answer > > > and > > > > to describe what it is like to be that answer if asked? > > > > > > > > Who are you? > > > > > > > > Or > > > > > > > > What are you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > > > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > > > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > > Who are you? > > > > I am Arvind. > > Who is Arvind? > > > > > Or > > > > > > What are you? > > > > I am a man. > > What is a man? > *What* is a pseudo-intellectual wannabe philosopher not yet out of short-pants, *who* continually taunts his schoolyard playmates with non-answerable questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 fmraerdy wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > > > > > Who are you? > > > > > > I am Arvind. > > > > Who is Arvind? > > > > > > > > Or > > > > > > > > What are you? > > > > > > I am a man. > > > > What is a man? > > > > *What* is a pseudo-intellectual wannabe philosopher not yet out of > short-pants, *who* continually taunts his schoolyard playmates with > non-answerable questions? Whatever one wishes to imagine, fmraerdy, as you have already done. But a direct question could, perhaps, do better than expressing a pained or testy imagination in order to plumb that which irks or perplexes your appearance. Why do find harm where there is none? Is there force being used? Are simple questions taunts? Answers are able to be given in each way that they are and if it is seen as a taunt by others they are able to say so. If you believe that the questions are non-answerable then they are. That is not difficult is it? Others may not share your your belief, and they may answer or not answer and do as they are as you have done. If you think this thread is about taunts, then for you, it can be said that is the case. And know that your expression works in its way to do what is required. So well come, fmraerdy. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > > Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, > etc. > > have different answers to the two questions below. If one is asked > > these questions, what answers are there? Can these questions be > answered? > > > > Is there someone who can answer one or both of these questions not > > from a conceptual perspective or an idea held, assumed or believed, > > but from living experience as it is. Any one one willing to answer > and > > to describe what it is like to be that answer if asked? > > > > > > Who are you? > > I am Arvind. > > > > > > Or > > > > What are you? > > I am a man. " What's a man without a woman? " Vaya Con Dios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. > have different answers to the two questions below. If one is asked > these questions, what answers are there? Can these questions be answered? > > Is there someone who can answer one or both of these questions not > from a conceptual perspective or an idea held, assumed or believed, > but from living experience as it is. Any one one willing to answer and > to describe what it is like to be that answer if asked? > > Who are you? Memory + awareness. > > Or > > What are you? Memory + awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > Who are you? > > Memory + awareness. > > > > > What are you? > > Memory + awareness. AL: No you're not. Nobody is. Those two words, memory, awareness, are as mysterious as is the process of asking questions and supplying ready-made answers to them. Just because some intellectual bully taps you on the shoulder and asks, " Hey, little one, Who are you, and What are you? " doesn't mean you have to respond, " in kind. " That's what he wants - you to respond. He's not looking for answers to his unanswerables. He's looking for a mental fight. Of course, that is not the way the intellectual bully sees it, and he will instantly " take offense " if someone points this out to him - saying, even, that the pointer is irritated by his antics (which is incorrect) - but the intellectual bully does not yet realize, he himself is also being bullied by a much larger bully he is not quite ready to acknowledge... some day perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > Who are you? > > > > Memory + awareness. > > > > > > > > What are you? > > > > Memory + awareness. > > AL: > No you're not. Nobody is. > Those two words, memory, awareness, are as mysterious as is the > process of asking questions and supplying ready-made answers to them. > > Just because some intellectual bully taps you on the shoulder and > asks, " Hey, little one, Who are you, and What are you? " doesn't mean > you have to respond, " in kind. " That's what he wants - you to > respond. He's not looking for answers to his unanswerables. He's > looking for a mental fight. > > Of course, that is not the way the intellectual bully sees it, and he > will instantly " take offense " if someone points this out to him - > saying, even, that the pointer is irritated by his antics (which is > incorrect) - but the intellectual bully does not yet realize, he > himself is also being bullied by a much larger bully he is not quite > ready to acknowledge... some day perhaps. Yes, the problem is our thinking. The thinking mind is a great inner tormentor. Just recognize that all thinking comes out of a state of fear. What the thinking mind cannot see is its own mistaken view, or what could better be called an incomplete view. It's this incompleteness that makes the thinking going on. When being aligned with the present moment there is no conflict. The thinking mind is always lagging behind the now - not really lagging behind - but the incomplete view gives a constant impression of a struggle with the ever changing now. This incomplete view is the source of fear. What is the incompleteness inherent in thought? There is no real incompleteness, but the thinking mind creates images of nothingness. For example, when I lose a huge sum of money on investments in stocks, then my thinking mind creates the image of lost money, which in reality is nothingness. There are no lost money. The thinking mind is completely blind to this fact, because it really cannot see its own mistaken view of things. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 anders_lindman wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Who are you? > > > > > > Memory + awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > What are you? > > > > > > Memory + awareness. Anders, Since I do not experience awareness and memory as distinct, I wonder if, in your experience, when you express in words, do words emerge from awareness and memory as one, or separately coming from each or neither or some other experience? How is your experience of speech and writing related to awareness and memory? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 fmraerdy wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > Who are you? > > > > Memory + awareness. > > > > > > > > What are you? > > > > Memory + awareness. > > AL: > No you're not. Nobody is. > Those two words, memory, awareness, are as mysterious as is the > process of asking questions and supplying ready-made answers to them. > > Just because some intellectual bully taps you on the shoulder and > asks, " Hey, little one, Who are you, and What are you? " doesn't mean > you have to respond, " in kind. " That's what he wants - you to > respond. He's not looking for answers to his unanswerables. He's > looking for a mental fight. > > Of course, that is not the way the intellectual bully sees it, and he > will instantly " take offense " if someone points this out to him - > saying, even, that the pointer is irritated by his antics (which is > incorrect) - but the intellectual bully does not yet realize, he > himself is also being bullied by a much larger bully he is not quite > ready to acknowledge... some day perhaps. Hi fmraerdy, How are you my sweet? Yes, I acknowledge that you are a bigger bully than me and you are a much larger bully bullying me around. You may bully me night and day till you are exhausted. And I will give you something to drink, to ease your thirst. And I will walk with you as you drink and help you in your bullying as much as I can. And I will smile seeing your bully face, seeing its radiance and feeling happy that I am protected by my big bully friend. Small Intellectual Bully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Ok Lewis, > > If I never would have come in contact with any kind of spiritual > literature I would give the same answer as Arvind: > > I am Werner and I am a male, or I am the body. > I thought of that, too, Werner and then I thought, ah, that doesn't mean anything either... not that anything does or doesn't mean anything, in the nondual it doesn't matter what you say so, isn't that is what life is...a series of adding meaning, taking away meaning.... ~freyja > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > anders_lindman wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Who are you? > > > > > > > > Memory + awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you? > > > > > > > > Memory + awareness. > > > Anders, > > Since I do not experience awareness and memory as distinct, I wonder if, > in your experience, when you express in words, do words emerge from > awareness and memory as one, or separately coming from each or neither > or some other experience? How is your experience of speech and writing > related to awareness and memory? > > Lewis Awareness I see as being conscious, and memory as phenomena awareness is conscious of. All phenomena becomes present in our awareness only " after " it has been " created " . Even speech, writing, thoughts e t c are phenomena, and is always " old " , always the " past " , and that is why I call it memory. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 anders_lindman wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > anders_lindman wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Who are you? > > > > > > > > > > Memory + awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you? > > > > > > > > > > Memory + awareness. > > > > > > Anders, > > > > Since I do not experience awareness and memory as distinct, I wonder > if, > > in your experience, when you express in words, do words emerge from > > awareness and memory as one, or separately coming from each or neither > > or some other experience? How is your experience of speech and writing > > related to awareness and memory? > > > > Lewis > > Awareness I see as being conscious, and memory as phenomena awareness > is conscious of. All phenomena becomes present in our awareness only > " after " it has been " created " . Even speech, writing, thoughts e t c > are phenomena, and is always " old " , always the " past " , and that is why > I call it memory. > > /AL Anders, In your experience, does this mean that at the bottom there is simple awareness and phenomena? If so, are phenomena that have been " created, " however that is done, called memory? And does this different conception of memory include all " immediate appearing perceptions " through the sense system? And would this memory then be a " repository' or simply synonymous with all phenomena experienced with awareness? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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