Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 deconstruction of the dichotomy animal/man: deconstructionism/ What would bring us to see a greater gap between a man and an animal than between a man and another man? at the simplest level a difference between two individuals is that they are differently located in space and that perception is thus altered from one to another; as far as behavior, men and animals don't differ that much, the technological progresses that we are so proud of, usage of the tools or architectural conceptions are seen in many other animals, and most toys we have are nothing to be proud of. We are culturally taught to see animals different/inferior, in the way that we are taught that some men are greater among the human race, the criteria to this purpose is nothing i chose, but was imposed on at birth in an elaborate culture; i can question criteria: the criterion of intelligence of free will of imagination of elaborate culture and religion .... let's add to my angle that simple, taken for granted, concepts like " complexity " bear more of a desire to place man in a transcended lofty pedestal than an intrinsic nature of nature to place complexity in man's thought alone. .... [just as a quick laying down of issues, debate to follow...] .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 The difference between the all animals is in the brian and all brians are machines to make reductions of the reality. Nirgunananda - Eric Paroissien Nisargadatta Friday, January 28, 2005 6:17 AM this weekend on decon, animal enlightenment deconstruction of the dichotomy animal/man: deconstructionism/ What would bring us to see a greater gap between a man and an animal than between a man and another man? at the simplest level a difference between two individuals is that they are differently located in space and that perception is thus altered from one to another; as far as behavior, men and animals don't differ that much, the technological progresses that we are so proud of, usage of the tools or architectural conceptions are seen in many other animals, and most toys we have are nothing to be proud of. We are culturally taught to see animals different/inferior, in the way that we are taught that some men are greater among the human race, the criteria to this purpose is nothing i chose, but was imposed on at birth in an elaborate culture; i can question criteria: the criterion of intelligence of free will of imagination of elaborate culture and religion ... let's add to my angle that simple, taken for granted, concepts like " complexity " bear more of a desire to place man in a transcended lofty pedestal than an intrinsic nature of nature to place complexity in man's thought alone. ... [just as a quick laying down of issues, debate to follow...] ... ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > The difference between the all animals is in the brian and all brians are machines to make reductions of the reality. > > Nirgunananda Are you referring to the same Brian that was the star of the movie " The Life of Brian " ? Just kidding, I'm sure you meant the " brain. " However, let's note that even the ideas of size and reduction are from the brain. Just as the idea of a reality is from the brain. The brain constructs reality, including the idea that there is some external reality, which could be reduced. Are there really animals which are different because of their brains, or is that just a construction of your brain? How do you know that you have a brain, that could do anything, until you've constructed that idea? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > deconstruction of the dichotomy animal/man: > deconstructionism/ > > What would bring us to see a greater gap between a man and an animal > than between a man and another man? > at the simplest level a difference between two individuals is that > they are differently located in space and that perception is thus > altered from one to another; as far as behavior, men and animals don't > differ that much, the technological progresses that we are so proud > of, usage of the tools or architectural conceptions are seen in many > other animals, and most toys we have are nothing to be proud of. > We are culturally taught to see animals different/inferior, in the way > that we are taught that some men are greater among the human race, the > criteria to this purpose is nothing i chose, but was imposed on at > birth in an elaborate culture; i can question criteria: > the criterion of intelligence > of free will > of imagination > of elaborate culture and religion > ... > let's add to my angle that simple, taken for granted, concepts like > " complexity " bear more of a desire to place man in a transcended lofty > pedestal than an intrinsic nature of nature to place complexity in > man's thought alone. > ... > [just as a quick laying down of issues, debate to follow...] > ... Complexity is a complex issue. We can see that the human body is more complex than the cells making up the human body. The whole human body is more than the chemical soup, the sum of separate molecules in the body. However, a cell might be as complex as the whole body if it is a hologram (the part contains the whole), and there are indications that many thing in fact have a holographic nature. Further, an atom may be as complex as the entire cosmos. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Dan, very good. You are ready!!!! Do not ask me about you are ready... Nirgunananda :-) - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, January 28, 2005 1:12 PM Re: this weekend on decon, animal enlightenment Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > The difference between the all animals is in the brian and all brians are machines to make reductions of the reality. > > Nirgunananda Are you referring to the same Brian that was the star of the movie " The Life of Brian " ? Just kidding, I'm sure you meant the " brain. " However, let's note that even the ideas of size and reduction are from the brain. Just as the idea of a reality is from the brain. The brain constructs reality, including the idea that there is some external reality, which could be reduced. Are there really animals which are different because of their brains, or is that just a construction of your brain? How do you know that you have a brain, that could do anything, until you've constructed that idea? -- Dan ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > The difference between the all animals is in the brian and all brians are machines to make reductions of the reality. > > Nirgunananda I had an Irish friend named Brian too but is he the same person? > > - > Eric Paroissien > Nisargadatta > Friday, January 28, 2005 6:17 AM > this weekend on decon, animal enlightenment > > > > deconstruction of the dichotomy animal/man: > deconstructionism/ > > What would bring us to see a greater gap between a man and an animal > than between a man and another man? > at the simplest level a difference between two individuals is that > they are differently located in space and that perception is thus > altered from one to another; as far as behavior, men and animals don't > differ that much, the technological progresses that we are so proud > of, usage of the tools or architectural conceptions are seen in many > other animals, and most toys we have are nothing to be proud of. > We are culturally taught to see animals different/inferior, in the way > that we are taught that some men are greater among the human race, the > criteria to this purpose is nothing i chose, but was imposed on at > birth in an elaborate culture; i can question criteria: > the criterion of intelligence > of free will > of imagination > of elaborate culture and religion > ... > let's add to my angle that simple, taken for granted, concepts like > " complexity " bear more of a desire to place man in a transcended lofty > pedestal than an intrinsic nature of nature to place complexity in > man's thought alone. > ... > [just as a quick laying down of issues, debate to follow...] > ... > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > The difference between the all animals is in the brian and all > brians are machines to make reductions of the reality. > > > > Nirgunananda > > Are you referring to the same Brian that was > the star of the movie " The Life of Brian " ? Oh yes, he's another Brian.. > > Just kidding, I'm sure you meant the " brain. " Ah, the Brain, the brain, ... > > However, let's note that even > the ideas of size and reduction are from the brain. > > Just as the idea of a reality is from the brain. > > The brain constructs reality, including > the idea that there is some external reality, > which could be reduced. > > Are there really animals which are different because > of their brains, or is that just a construction of > your brain? > > How do you know that you have a brain, that could > do anything, until you've constructed that idea? As they say: " no brain, no pain, no gain " > > -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > deconstruction of the dichotomy animal/man: > > deconstructionism/ > > > > What would bring us to see a greater gap between a man and an animal > > than between a man and another man? > > at the simplest level a difference between two individuals is that > > they are differently located in space and that perception is thus > > altered from one to another; as far as behavior, men and animals don't > > differ that much, the technological progresses that we are so proud > > of, usage of the tools or architectural conceptions are seen in many > > other animals, and most toys we have are nothing to be proud of. > > We are culturally taught to see animals different/inferior, in the way > > that we are taught that some men are greater among the human race, the > > criteria to this purpose is nothing i chose, but was imposed on at > > birth in an elaborate culture; i can question criteria: > > the criterion of intelligence > > of free will > > of imagination > > of elaborate culture and religion > > ... > > let's add to my angle that simple, taken for granted, concepts like > > " complexity " bear more of a desire to place man in a transcended lofty > > pedestal than an intrinsic nature of nature to place complexity in > > man's thought alone. > > ... > > [just as a quick laying down of issues, debate to follow...] > > ... > > Complexity is a complex issue. We can see that the human body is > more complex than the cells making up the human body. The whole human > body is more than the chemical soup, the sum of separate molecules in > the body. However, a cell might be as complex as the whole body if it > is a hologram (the part contains the whole), and there are indications > that many thing in fact have a holographic nature. Further, an atom > may be as complex as the entire cosmos. > > /AL THat's right Anders, complexity would have us believe that the system that contains the element is more complex than it... in fact it is its fundamental definition, and there is little more one can say about complexity from the point of view of it's elaboration, but from the point of view of our aspiration to complexity, a lot can be said, same as the desire to be different or more excellent than animals, human's brain complexity and its excellence are often advocated in the same breath, which points to the hoax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > Dan, very good. You are ready!!!! > Do not ask me about you are ready... > > Nirgunananda :-) Reminds me of a song I once heard: " Ready for love. Oh baby, I'ma ready for love. " Rock on, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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