Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things like the > things are. To see like the witness only. To sse the things like the > things are, is really do not anything. > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in bondage. Who > is the one doing nothing? True liberation comes with the total > cessation of inner conflict. > > /AL How do you know? Just curious -- -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things like the > > things are. To see like the witness only. To sse the things like > the > > things are, is really do not anything. > > > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in bondage. > Who > > is the one doing nothing? True liberation comes with the total > > cessation of inner conflict. > > > > /AL > > How do you know? > > Just curious -- > > -- Dan Ah! Detect conflict in you, you will. Hear the sound of thoughts as coming from both within and without, your destiny is. Have you noticed how people are in conflict with themselves? It is not you or some other person people are concerned about, it is their own mental picture of the world they are fighting. Everybody is fighting mental windmills. And you and I too. Rare the person is who is free from inner conflict. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 anders_lindman wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things like the > > > things are. To see like the witness only. To sse the things like > > the > > > things are, is really do not anything. > > > > > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in bondage. > > Who > > > is the one doing nothing? True liberation comes with the total > > > cessation of inner conflict. > > > > > > /AL > > > > How do you know? > > > > Just curious -- > > > > -- Dan > > Ah! Detect conflict in you, you will. Hear the sound of thoughts as > coming from both within and without, your destiny is. > > Have you noticed how people are in conflict with themselves? It is not > you or some other person people are concerned about, it is their own > mental picture of the world they are fighting. Everybody is fighting > mental windmills. And you and I too. Rare the person is who is free > from inner conflict. > > /AL Yes, they come from within and without as this comes asking no questions this time... to meet as it is without conception or tool, only a light veil to greet, to embrace, to be as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > anders_lindman wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things like the > > > > things are. To see like the witness only. To sse the things like > > > the > > > > things are, is really do not anything. > > > > > > > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in bondage. > > > Who > > > > is the one doing nothing? True liberation comes with the total > > > > cessation of inner conflict. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > How do you know? > > > > > > Just curious -- > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Ah! Detect conflict in you, you will. Hear the sound of thoughts as > > coming from both within and without, your destiny is. > > > > Have you noticed how people are in conflict with themselves? It is not > > you or some other person people are concerned about, it is their own > > mental picture of the world they are fighting. Everybody is fighting > > mental windmills. And you and I too. Rare the person is who is free > > from inner conflict. > > > > /AL > > > Yes, they come from within and without as this comes asking no questions > this time... to meet as it is without conception or tool, only a light > veil to greet, to embrace, to be as it is. Harmony within, harmony without. The stuff about hearing the sound of thoughts I don't understand myself. But, hey! Sometimes we have to give ourselves a good metaphorical kick in the ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things like the > > > things are. To see like the witness only. To sse the things like > > the > > > things are, is really do not anything. > > > > > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in bondage. > > Who > > > is the one doing nothing? True liberation comes with the total > > > cessation of inner conflict. > > > > > > /AL > > > > How do you know? > > > > Just curious -- > > > > -- Dan > > Ah! Detect conflict in you, you will. Hear the sound of thoughts as > coming from both within and without, your destiny is. > > Have you noticed how people are in conflict with themselves? It is not > you or some other person people are concerned about, it is their own > mental picture of the world they are fighting. Everybody is fighting > mental windmills. And you and I too. Rare the person is who is free > from inner conflict. > > /AL Do you really have inner conflict, Anders? Right now is there conflict? Where is it? Or do you have thoughts which provide pictures of the past that you then label as " conflict " ? What labels it as conflict? It's interesting. Right now, there's freedom. The conflict you talk about is a thought-picture. It arises now and it seems to refer to some past and some life you have. But these images themselves are like TV images -- empty of referring to anything real. The reality that it seems to have is the mind imputing that reality onto the image. We create the feeling of bondage moment to moment, the feeling of conflict. It's totally amazing how mind works this way. Moment to moment I watch the pictures arise... a thought occurs, " I am conflicted with myself... I wish I were free.. " Suddenly, for some reason, that whole feeling of being in bondage vanishes as it's seen that these thoughts are empty. There's no one in bondage, is there? Where's is the I that's in bondage? Is it really there? Or are there images that are just seen, which have the content of a " me " that's in bondage and a me that needs to do something to get out of it. This all happens now, moment to moment. There's no past of accumulated bondage from which to free yourself... likewise, no inner conflict. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things like the > > > things are. To see like the witness only. To sse the things like > > the > > > things are, is really do not anything. > > > > > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in bondage. > > Who > > > is the one doing nothing? True liberation comes with the total > > > cessation of inner conflict. > > > > > > /AL > > > > How do you know? > > > > Just curious -- > > > > -- Dan > > Ah! Detect conflict in you, you will. Hear the sound of thoughts as > coming from both within and without, your destiny is. > > Have you noticed how people are in conflict with themselves? It is not > you or some other person people are concerned about, it is their own > mental picture of the world they are fighting. Everybody is fighting > mental windmills. And you and I too. Rare the person is who is free > from inner conflict. > > /AL You avoided my question. Funny about that. :-) -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things like > the > > > > things are. To see like the witness only. To sse the things > like > > > the > > > > things are, is really do not anything. > > > > > > > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in > bondage. > > > Who > > > > is the one doing nothing? True liberation comes with the total > > > > cessation of inner conflict. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > How do you know? > > > > > > Just curious -- > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Ah! Detect conflict in you, you will. Hear the sound of thoughts as > > coming from both within and without, your destiny is. > > > > Have you noticed how people are in conflict with themselves? It is > not > > you or some other person people are concerned about, it is their own > > mental picture of the world they are fighting. Everybody is fighting > > mental windmills. And you and I too. Rare the person is who is free > > from inner conflict. > > > > /AL > > Do you really have inner conflict, Anders? Right now is there > conflict? Where is it? Or do you have thoughts which provide pictures > of the past that you then label as " conflict " ? What labels it as > conflict? > > It's interesting. Right now, there's freedom. The conflict you talk > about is a thought-picture. It arises now and it seems to refer to > some past and some life you have. But these images themselves are > like TV images -- empty of referring to anything real. The reality > that it seems to have is the mind imputing that reality onto the > image. Oh no, this conflict is much deeper than mere pictures: it is the very fabric of my whole existence as a separate entity. For million of years this confict has solidified itself into what we now see as: want for personal success, money, reputation, family life, careeer, personal knowledge, education, style, age, sex, material possessions, human relationships, romance, health, belief systems, political convictions, mental images of oneself as someone being more intelligent than most other people... Need I go on? All that is fear! Can you not see in the body postures, facial expressions and emotional radiance that virtually every person is a protective shell around a frightened animal? People are so extremely afraid of what other people will think about them that they are frozen stiff. That's a fact. This is not least illustrated by celebrities on TV. Look how stiff they are! They are scared shitless for every second of their life. You call that being human? > > We create the feeling of bondage moment to moment, the feeling of > conflict. > > It's totally amazing how mind works this way. Moment to moment I > watch the pictures arise... a thought occurs, " I am conflicted with > myself... I wish I were free.. " Suddenly, for some reason, that whole > feeling of being in bondage vanishes as it's seen that these thoughts > are empty. There's no one in bondage, is there? Where's is the I > that's in bondage? Is it really there? Or are there images that are > just seen, which have the content of a " me " that's in bondage and a > me that needs to do something to get out of it. This all happens now, > moment to moment. There's no past of accumulated bondage from which > to free yourself... likewise, no inner conflict. > > Joe I wonder if this is your actual experience or just intellectual ideas. When you are faced with a possibility of losing your job, your house, your money or a family member, are you then free from conflict on a real level, or is what you are saying just hot air? /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things like > the > > > > things are. To see like the witness only. To sse the things > like > > > the > > > > things are, is really do not anything. > > > > > > > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in > bondage. > > > Who > > > > is the one doing nothing? True liberation comes with the total > > > > cessation of inner conflict. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > How do you know? > > > > > > Just curious -- > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Ah! Detect conflict in you, you will. Hear the sound of thoughts as > > coming from both within and without, your destiny is. > > > > Have you noticed how people are in conflict with themselves? It is > not > > you or some other person people are concerned about, it is their > own > > mental picture of the world they are fighting. Everybody is > fighting > > mental windmills. And you and I too. Rare the person is who is free > > from inner conflict. > > > > /AL > > You avoided my question. > > Funny about that. > > :-) > > -- Dan Knowing on a conceptual level is not enough. But it's not difficult to _feel_ the truth of this conflict. Are you in every situation relaxed and peaceful? Yes, or no? So how do I know? How difficult is it to feel the central core of unease in one's own being? It's clear as candy! /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Do you really have inner conflict, Anders? Right now is there > > conflict? Where is it? Or do you have thoughts which provide pictures > > of the past that you then label as " conflict " ? What labels it as > > conflict? > > > > It's interesting. Right now, there's freedom. The conflict you talk > > about is a thought-picture. It arises now and it seems to refer to > > some past and some life you have. But these images themselves are > > like TV images -- empty of referring to anything real. The reality > > that it seems to have is the mind imputing that reality onto the > > image. > > Oh no, this conflict is much deeper than mere pictures: it is the very > fabric of my whole existence as a separate entity. It's deeper than pictures? Find it. Where? What's the " Fabric of my whole existence " ? Is this nothing more than an idea you believe? I don't feel or see a 'fabric of my existence'. For million of > years this confict has solidified itself into what we now see as: want > for personal success, money, reputation, family life, careeer, > personal knowledge, education, style, age, sex, material possessions, > human relationships, romance, health, belief systems, political > convictions, mental images of oneself as someone being more > intelligent than most other people... Need I go on? > > All that is fear! Can you not see in the body postures, facial > expressions and emotional radiance that virtually every person is a > protective shell around a frightened animal? People are so extremely > afraid of what other people will think about them that they are frozen > stiff. That's a fact. This is not least illustrated by celebrities on > TV. Look how stiff they are! They are scared shitless for every second > of their life. You call that being human? You're the one who's creating ideas about what's human and not human based on your conditioning and preferences. And then you fight to free yourself from that. Psychological fear, the kind you're referring to, in my experience, arises when there's a strong belief in the images that appear to our mind -- the thoughts that we believe about ourselves. And then fear continues with the belief the fear shouldn't be there. In effect, the fear tries to free itself. It's absurd. There's no past of accumulated bondage from which > > to free yourself... likewise, no inner conflict. > > > > Joe > > I wonder if this is your actual experience or just intellectual ideas. > When you are faced with a possibility of losing your job, your house, > your money or a family member, are you then free from conflict on a > real level, or is what you are saying just hot air? > > /AL We'll find out. Meanwhile, carry on freeing yourself from conflict. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 anders_lindman wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > anders_lindman wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things like the > > > > > things are. To see like the witness only. To sse the things like > > > > the > > > > > things are, is really do not anything. > > > > > > > > > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in bondage. > > > > Who > > > > > is the one doing nothing? True liberation comes with the total > > > > > cessation of inner conflict. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > How do you know? > > > > > > > > Just curious -- > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Ah! Detect conflict in you, you will. Hear the sound of thoughts as > > > coming from both within and without, your destiny is. > > > > > > Have you noticed how people are in conflict with themselves? It is not > > > you or some other person people are concerned about, it is their own > > > mental picture of the world they are fighting. Everybody is fighting > > > mental windmills. And you and I too. Rare the person is who is free > > > from inner conflict. > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > Yes, they come from within and without as this comes asking no > questions > > this time... to meet as it is without conception or tool, only a light > > veil to greet, to embrace, to be as it is. > > Harmony within, harmony without. The stuff about hearing the sound of > thoughts I don't understand myself. But, hey! Sometimes we have to > give ourselves a good metaphorical kick in the ass. There it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Do you really have inner conflict, Anders? Right now is there > > > conflict? Where is it? Or do you have thoughts which provide > pictures > > > of the past that you then label as " conflict " ? What labels it as > > > conflict? > > > > > > It's interesting. Right now, there's freedom. The conflict you > talk > > > about is a thought-picture. It arises now and it seems to refer > to > > > some past and some life you have. But these images themselves are > > > like TV images -- empty of referring to anything real. The > reality > > > that it seems to have is the mind imputing that reality onto the > > > image. > > > > Oh no, this conflict is much deeper than mere pictures: it is the > very > > fabric of my whole existence as a separate entity. > > > It's deeper than pictures? Find it. Where? What's the " Fabric of my > whole existence " ? Is this nothing more than an idea you believe? > > I don't feel or see a 'fabric of my existence'. How difficult is it to see one's own fear? The fear of what other people will think about you. A very simple test if you are free from fear is this: would you allow your private thoughts to be displayed for everyone to see? I for one am not prepared to let all my dirty little secrets be revealed for everone to see. What would the people at the office think of me? See? We are scare shitless. Every single one of us. Including celebrities on TV. > > > > For million of > > years this confict has solidified itself into what we now see as: > want > > for personal success, money, reputation, family life, careeer, > > personal knowledge, education, style, age, sex, material > possessions, > > human relationships, romance, health, belief systems, political > > convictions, mental images of oneself as someone being more > > intelligent than most other people... Need I go on? > > > > All that is fear! Can you not see in the body postures, facial > > expressions and emotional radiance that virtually every person is a > > protective shell around a frightened animal? People are so extremely > > afraid of what other people will think about them that they are > frozen > > stiff. That's a fact. This is not least illustrated by celebrities > on > > TV. Look how stiff they are! They are scared shitless for every > second > > of their life. You call that being human? > > > You're the one who's creating ideas about what's human and not human > based on your conditioning and preferences. And then you fight to > free yourself from that. > > Psychological fear, the kind you're referring to, in my experience, > arises when there's a strong belief in the images that appear to our > mind -- the thoughts that we believe about ourselves. > > And then fear continues with the belief the fear shouldn't be there. > In effect, the fear tries to free itself. It's absurd. Is it absurd? Your money, for example, is an image in your mind. How do you feel about becoming poor like a bag lady? > > > There's no past of accumulated bondage from which > > > to free yourself... likewise, no inner conflict. > > > > > > Joe > > > > I wonder if this is your actual experience or just intellectual > ideas. > > When you are faced with a possibility of losing your job, your > house, > > your money or a family member, are you then free from conflict on a > > real level, or is what you are saying just hot air? > > > > /AL > > We'll find out. Meanwhile, carry on freeing yourself from conflict. > > Joe We have to become honest with ourselves. That's the first step. To see the bloody nightmare of ordinary thinking. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > It's deeper than pictures? Find it. Where? What's the " Fabric of my > > whole existence " ? Is this nothing more than an idea you believe? > > > > I don't feel or see a 'fabric of my existence'. > > How difficult is it to see one's own fear? It has to be there now to see it. Is there fear there now? If there's fear, then there's fear. What do you want to do about it? The fear of what other > people will think about you. A very simple test if you are free from > fear is this: would you allow your private thoughts to be displayed > for everyone to see? I for one am not prepared to let all my dirty > little secrets be revealed for everone to see. What would the people > at the office think of me? See? We are scare shitless. Every single > one of us. Maybe you're projecting this onto the " world out there " ? >Including celebrities on TV. LOL -- yes, especially them! I feel so sorry for them with their fake tans, fake boobs, whitened teeth, constant fretting about what they eat. I guess somebody's gotta do it. > > > > And then fear continues with the belief the fear shouldn't be there. > > In effect, the fear tries to free itself. It's absurd. > > Is it absurd? Your money, for example, is an image in your mind. How > do you feel about becoming poor like a bag lady? Can you not see you're creating this program to free yourself from fear -- and that it's a self-centered program which relies upon unfounded assumptions? 1. There is me separate from fear. 2. We should not experience fear. Seeing the falsity of these two propositions may mean an end to the program of freeing yourself from fear. > > > > We'll find out. Meanwhile, carry on freeing yourself from conflict. > > > > Joe > > We have to become honest with ourselves. That's the first step. To see > the bloody nightmare of ordinary thinking. > > /AL Can you really be honest with yourself? Or is one thought commenting on another thought? " Oh, now I'm being honest... this is really being honest... " What is it that's being honest -- where is the thing to which this honesty refers? And how can this alleged thing know it's being " honest " ? Or is there just thoughts? Maybe these thoughts really are not referring to anything in particular. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > It's deeper than pictures? Find it. Where? What's the " Fabric of > my > > > whole existence " ? Is this nothing more than an idea you believe? > > > > > > I don't feel or see a 'fabric of my existence'. > > > > How difficult is it to see one's own fear? > > It has to be there now to see it. Is there fear there now? If there's > fear, then there's fear. What do you want to do about it? Can't you feel the _constant_ fear in you; that everlasting defensive " me " in the form of a solidifies separate self around an extremely vulnerable core? Why do you think people get angry? Get annoyed? Irritated? They have an extremely sensitive separate self to protect. That's why there is irritation when having to stand in line at the supermarket. Can't you see the inner conflict? The constant inner conflict. > > > The fear of what other > > people will think about you. A very simple test if you are free from > > fear is this: would you allow your private thoughts to be displayed > > for everyone to see? I for one am not prepared to let all my dirty > > little secrets be revealed for everone to see. What would the people > > at the office think of me? See? We are scare shitless. Every single > > one of us. > > Maybe you're projecting this onto the " world out there " ? But that's what we all do. I think about my health, but what is that really? That's ideas about the future isn't it? That's ideas about the " world out there " . My health. My family. My money. My fuckin' gravestone! > > >Including celebrities on TV. > > > LOL -- yes, especially them! I feel so sorry for them with their fake > tans, fake boobs, whitened teeth, constant fretting about what they > eat. I guess somebody's gotta do it. I told you. It's a bloody nightmare. :-) But even the ordinary life of the ordinary person is a nightmare. > > > > > > > > And then fear continues with the belief the fear shouldn't be > there. > > > In effect, the fear tries to free itself. It's absurd. > > > > Is it absurd? Your money, for example, is an image in your mind. How > > do you feel about becoming poor like a bag lady? > > Can you not see you're creating this program to free yourself from > fear -- and that it's a self-centered program which relies upon > unfounded assumptions? > > 1. There is me separate from fear. > 2. We should not experience fear. > > Seeing the falsity of these two propositions may mean an end to the > program of freeing yourself from fear. My idea is: 1. I am love, not fear. 2. Fear can go to hell where it belongs. :-) Why do we have insurances? That's because of fear, isn't it? People will tell you that you are crazy if you don't have insurance for this and that. I tell you that you are living in a nightmare if you need insurances. Hahahahaha! > > > > > > > We'll find out. Meanwhile, carry on freeing yourself from > conflict. > > > > > > Joe > > > > We have to become honest with ourselves. That's the first step. To > see > > the bloody nightmare of ordinary thinking. > > > > /AL > > Can you really be honest with yourself? Or is one thought commenting > on another thought? " Oh, now I'm being honest... this is really being > honest... " What is it that's being honest -- where is the thing to > which this honesty refers? And how can this alleged thing know it's > being " honest " ? > > Or is there just thoughts? Maybe these thoughts really are not > referring to anything in particular. > > > Joe To be honest is simply to drop the fake mask of confidence, of faked happiness, of faked contentment... of faked understanding... /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things like > > the > > > > > things are. To see like the witness only. To sse the things > > like > > > > the > > > > > things are, is really do not anything. > > > > > > > > > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in > > bondage. > > > > Who > > > > > is the one doing nothing? True liberation comes with the total > > > > > cessation of inner conflict. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > How do you know? > > > > > > > > Just curious -- > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Ah! Detect conflict in you, you will. Hear the sound of thoughts as > > > coming from both within and without, your destiny is. > > > > > > Have you noticed how people are in conflict with themselves? It is > > not > > > you or some other person people are concerned about, it is their > > own > > > mental picture of the world they are fighting. Everybody is > > fighting > > > mental windmills. And you and I too. Rare the person is who is free > > > from inner conflict. > > > > > > /AL > > > > You avoided my question. > > > > Funny about that. > > > > :-) > > > > -- Dan > > Knowing on a conceptual level is not enough. But it's not difficult to > _feel_ the truth of this conflict. Are you in every situation relaxed > and peaceful? Yes, or no? > > So how do I know? How difficult is it to feel the central core of > unease in one's own being? It's clear as candy! > > /AL AL - You made the assertive statement: > True liberation comes with the total > cessation of inner conflict. I simply asked: How do you know this? You still haven't answered. My question seems simple enough and clear enough to me. Not that you're obligated to answer. You're not. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Can't you feel the _constant_ fear in you; that everlasting defensive > " me " in the form of a solidifies separate self around an extremely > vulnerable core? Why do you think people get angry? Get annoyed? > Irritated? They have an extremely sensitive separate self to protect. > That's why there is irritation when having to stand in line at the > supermarket. Can't you see the inner conflict? The constant inner > conflict. No, sorry. Sometimes I do feel fear and insecurity, but it's not constant. I know you think deep-down we always feel it, but I don't agree. > > Why do we have insurances? That's because of fear, isn't it? Ummm... no, it's practical. New car + accident = lots of out of pocket money! If you call it fear, I call it useful. Wow, you're really waging a battle against this fear thingy... are you reading too many Krishnamurti books?! :-) > > To be honest is simply to drop the fake mask of confidence, of faked > happiness, of faked contentment... of faked understanding... > > /AL If these are 'faked' is there anything that's not faked? What masks should one, can one, wear? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things > > > > > > like the things are. To see like the witness only. To > > > > > > sse the things like the things are, is really do not > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in > > > > > bondage. Who is the one doing nothing? True liberation > > > > > comes with the total cessation of inner conflict. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > How do you know? > > > > > > > > Just curious -- > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Ah! Detect conflict in you, you will. Hear the sound of > > > thoughts as coming from both within and without, your > > > destiny is. > > > > > > Have you noticed how people are in conflict with themselves? > > > It is not you or some other person people are concerned about, > > > it is their own mental picture of the world they are fighting. > > > Everybody is fighting mental windmills. And you and I too. > > > Rare the person is who is free from inner conflict. > > > > > > /AL > > > > You avoided my question. > > > > Funny about that. > > > > :-) > > > > -- Dan > > Knowing on a conceptual level is not enough. But it's not > difficult to _feel_ the truth of this conflict. Are you in every > situation relaxed and peaceful? Yes, or no? One can be relaxed and peaceful (or not) only in the present moment as it unfolds. This unfolding is a process of change - so there is no way (nor need) to be sure that one will be relaxed and peaceful in _every_ future situation even if he has been relaxed and peaceful in _every_ past situation. The " conflict " appears when the present moment is frozen (through conceptual thinking) and compared with a past memory, an imagined future, any sort of absolute etc. As the moment is being frozen there appears friction (thus the feeling of conflict) between the continuously unfolding present in which the mind continues to exist and the stopped frame on which the awareness is focused. Only the unfolding present moment carries the elusive element of change and when one experiences the moment without freezing it he experiences no conflict. Tomina > So how do I know? How difficult is it to feel the central core of > unease in one's own being? It's clear as candy! > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 [.....] > > How difficult is it to see one's own fear? The fear of what other > people will think about you. A very simple test if you are free from > fear is this: would you allow your private thoughts to be displayed > for everyone to see? I for one am not prepared to let all my dirty > little secrets be revealed for everone to see. What would the people > at the office think of me? See? We are scare shitless. Every single > one of us. Including celebrities on TV. Sure, AL ! ....a man might be unwilling, concerned or afraid to talk about his recent " affair " with his secretary to ...his wife. Or to discuss his recent fantasy involving, ...a girl, he saw ? Similarly, a man speeding in his car, ...might be afraid of cops and may not tell cops that he was speeding. In dark, walking in woods, ...one might be afraid of snakes or wild animal ...? .. .... ...... ....but. the real question is ...why? And, shouldn't he be Afraid ? Should he be `afraid' and careful in these or similar scenario or ...should he just be all bold and careless and talk about it ...? ...... .... .. is it just `fear', or can such a thing also be called ... " wisdom " and " common sense " . ....IOW, Isn't it part of what is meant by being a ...'thinking' human? [.....] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things > like > > > the > > > > > > things are. To see like the witness only. To sse the > things > > > like > > > > > the > > > > > > things are, is really do not anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in > > > bondage. > > > > > Who > > > > > > is the one doing nothing? True liberation comes with the > total > > > > > > cessation of inner conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > How do you know? > > > > > > > > > > Just curious -- > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > Ah! Detect conflict in you, you will. Hear the sound of > thoughts as > > > > coming from both within and without, your destiny is. > > > > > > > > Have you noticed how people are in conflict with themselves? > It is > > > not > > > > you or some other person people are concerned about, it is > their > > > own > > > > mental picture of the world they are fighting. Everybody is > > > fighting > > > > mental windmills. And you and I too. Rare the person is who is > free > > > > from inner conflict. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > You avoided my question. > > > > > > Funny about that. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Knowing on a conceptual level is not enough. But it's not > difficult to > > _feel_ the truth of this conflict. Are you in every situation > relaxed > > and peaceful? Yes, or no? > > > > So how do I know? How difficult is it to feel the central core of > > unease in one's own being? It's clear as candy! > > > > /AL > > AL - > > You made the assertive statement: > > True liberation comes with the total > > cessation of inner conflict. > > I simply asked: > How do you know this? > > You still haven't answered. > > My question seems simple enough and clear enough > to me. Not that you're obligated to answer. > You're not. > > -- Dan When you are hungry, how do _you_ know you are hungry? Explain that to me, then after that we can continue. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > Can't you feel the _constant_ fear in you; that everlasting > defensive > > " me " in the form of a solidifies separate self around an extremely > > vulnerable core? Why do you think people get angry? Get annoyed? > > Irritated? They have an extremely sensitive separate self to > protect. > > That's why there is irritation when having to stand in line at the > > supermarket. Can't you see the inner conflict? The constant inner > > conflict. > > No, sorry. Sometimes I do feel fear and insecurity, but it's not > constant. I know you think deep-down we always feel it, but I don't > agree. > I agree that often we don't feel our own inner conflict, but that's only because it is temporarily being obscured by some activity. That's also often the reason why people seek distraction from their own mind all the time. The mind in this way tries to hide and deny its own inner conflict. Try to sit alone in front of the TV for a couple of hours without having the TV on. Then you will begin to recognize the unease in you. > > > > Why do we have insurances? That's because of fear, isn't it? > > Ummm... no, it's practical. New car + accident = lots of out of > pocket money! If you call it fear, I call it useful. Wow, you're > really waging a battle against this fear thingy... are you reading > too many Krishnamurti books?! :-) > > > > > To be honest is simply to drop the fake mask of confidence, of faked > > happiness, of faked contentment... of faked understanding... > > > > /AL > > If these are 'faked' is there anything that's not faked? What masks > should one, can one, wear? > > > Joe The removing of the constant seeking of distraction from the mind's own inner conflict is the beginning of peace. What we call desire is just a lesser form of conflict that we poor human beings take as being the only happiness we have. Virtually everyone is carrying around a mental fear/desire map that guides their life. Each map is limited and rigid, and the interaction between people is never truly harmonious. Not even _one_ of these maps is in line with the living present moment; then how can two or three of these maps put together even begin to approach harmony? /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Can't you feel the _constant_ fear in you; that everlasting > > defensive > > > " me " in the form of a solidifies separate self around an extremely > > > vulnerable core? Why do you think people get angry? Get annoyed? > > > Irritated? They have an extremely sensitive separate self to > > protect. > > > That's why there is irritation when having to stand in line at the > > > supermarket. Can't you see the inner conflict? The constant inner > > > conflict. > > > > No, sorry. Sometimes I do feel fear and insecurity, but it's not > > constant. I know you think deep-down we always feel it, but I don't > > agree. > > > > I agree that often we don't feel our own inner conflict, but that's > only because it is temporarily being obscured by some activity. That's > also often the reason why people seek distraction from their own mind > all the time. The mind in this way tries to hide and deny its own > inner conflict. Try to sit alone in front of the TV for a couple of > hours without having the TV on. Then you will begin to recognize the > unease in you. > > > > > > > Why do we have insurances? That's because of fear, isn't it? > > > > Ummm... no, it's practical. New car + accident = lots of out of > > pocket money! If you call it fear, I call it useful. Wow, you're > > really waging a battle against this fear thingy... are you reading > > too many Krishnamurti books?! :-) > > > > > > > > To be honest is simply to drop the fake mask of confidence, of faked > > > happiness, of faked contentment... of faked understanding... > > > > > > /AL > > > > If these are 'faked' is there anything that's not faked? What masks > > should one, can one, wear? > > > > > > Joe > > The removing of the constant seeking of distraction from the mind's > own inner conflict is the beginning of peace. What we call desire is > just a lesser form of conflict that we poor human beings take as being > the only happiness we have. Virtually everyone is carrying around a > mental fear/desire map that guides their life. Each map is limited and > rigid, and the interaction between people is never truly harmonious. > Not even _one_ of these maps is in line with the living present > moment; then how can two or three of these maps put together even > begin to approach harmony? > > /AL There is nothing outside of Mind. Everything is 'thought' or 'memory'.(aka Mind) Experience creates the thought based on the comparison of present memory.Its an ongoing process.'I' or 'self' cannot end itself. There is no one in 'there' to end this organic process. Its all memory...there is nothing inside the human brain except empty babbling memory and the primary over riding memory called 'I' or anxiety,(or dread,or fear or whatever one likes to name it) : ) Will all your philosophy help you escape this fear...? Its got everything living or crawling on the run. Run if you must...you will only die tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tomina " <tomina_t> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Nirgunananda " > > > > > > <nirgunananda@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > I believe that the principal way is: to sse the things > > > > > > > like the things are. To see like the witness only. To > > > > > > > sse the things like the things are, is really do not > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not doing anything can be a subtle trap that keeps us in > > > > > > bondage. Who is the one doing nothing? True liberation > > > > > > comes with the total cessation of inner conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > How do you know? > > > > > > > > > > Just curious -- > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > Ah! Detect conflict in you, you will. Hear the sound of > > > > thoughts as coming from both within and without, your > > > > destiny is. > > > > > > > > Have you noticed how people are in conflict with themselves? > > > > It is not you or some other person people are concerned about, > > > > it is their own mental picture of the world they are fighting. > > > > Everybody is fighting mental windmills. And you and I too. > > > > Rare the person is who is free from inner conflict. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > You avoided my question. > > > > > > Funny about that. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Knowing on a conceptual level is not enough. But it's not > > difficult to _feel_ the truth of this conflict. Are you in every > > situation relaxed and peaceful? Yes, or no? > > > One can be relaxed and peaceful (or not) only in the present moment > as it unfolds. This unfolding is a process of change - so there is > no way (nor need) to be sure that one will be relaxed and peaceful > in _every_ future situation even if he has been relaxed and peaceful > in _every_ past situation. > > The " conflict " appears when the present moment is frozen (through > conceptual thinking) and compared with a past memory, an imagined > future, any sort of absolute etc. As the moment is being frozen > there appears friction (thus the feeling of conflict) between the > continuously unfolding present in which the mind continues to exist > and the stopped frame on which the awareness is focused. > > Only the unfolding present moment carries the elusive element of > change and when one experiences the moment without freezing it he > experiences no conflict. > > Tomina Yes, but the ordinary human mind cannot see this, for it _is_ this freezing of a conceptual world picture called " me " and its inherent unavoidable conflict with itself. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > [.....] > > > > > > How difficult is it to see one's own fear? The fear of what other > > people will think about you. A very simple test if you are free from > > fear is this: would you allow your private thoughts to be displayed > > for everyone to see? I for one am not prepared to let all my dirty > > little secrets be revealed for everone to see. What would the people > > at the office think of me? See? We are scare shitless. Every single > > one of us. Including celebrities on TV. > > Sure, AL ! > > > ...a man might be unwilling, concerned or afraid to talk about his > recent " affair " with his secretary to ...his wife. > > Or to discuss his recent fantasy involving, ...a girl, he saw ? > > Similarly, a man speeding in his car, ...might be afraid of cops and > may not tell cops that he was speeding. > > In dark, walking in woods, ...one might be afraid of snakes or wild > animal ...? > . > ... > ..... > > ...but. the real question is ...why? > > And, shouldn't he be Afraid ? > > Should he be `afraid' and careful in these or similar scenario > or ...should he just be all bold and careless and talk about it ...? > > ..... > ... > . > > is it just `fear', or can such a thing also be called ... " wisdom " > and " common sense " . > > > ...IOW, Isn't it part of what is meant by being a ...'thinking' human? > > [.....] Yeah, a _thinking_ human being, that is. Have you investigated the nature of thought? Do you believe thought is important? Why is thought important? /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > [.....] > > > > > > > > > > How difficult is it to see one's own fear? The fear of what other > > > people will think about you. A very simple test if you are free from > > > fear is this: would you allow your private thoughts to be displayed > > > for everyone to see? I for one am not prepared to let all my dirty > > > little secrets be revealed for everone to see. What would the people > > > at the office think of me? See? We are scare shitless. Every single > > > one of us. Including celebrities on TV. > > > > Sure, AL ! > > > > > > ...a man might be unwilling, concerned or afraid to talk about his > > recent " affair " with his secretary to ...his wife. > > > > Or to discuss his recent fantasy involving, ...a girl, he saw ? > > > > Similarly, a man speeding in his car, ...might be afraid of cops and > > may not tell cops that he was speeding. > > > > In dark, walking in woods, ...one might be afraid of snakes or wild > > animal ...? > > . > > ... > > ..... > > > > ...but. the real question is ...why? > > > > And, shouldn't he be Afraid ? > > > > Should he be `afraid' and careful in these or similar scenario > > or ...should he just be all bold and careless and talk about it ...? > > > > ..... > > ... > > . > > > > is it just `fear', or can such a thing also be called ... " wisdom " > > and " common sense " . > > > > > > ...IOW, Isn't it part of what is meant by being a ...'thinking' human? > > > > [.....] > > Yeah, a _thinking_ human being, that is. Have you investigated the > nature of thought? Do you believe thought is important? Why is thought > important? Quite possibly, ...thinking, thoughts and minds have created the companies, computers and software that is letting you communicate with these many people, ...among many other things. Is it `important' or not ? > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > [.....] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How difficult is it to see one's own fear? The fear of what > other > > > > people will think about you. A very simple test if you are free > from > > > > fear is this: would you allow your private thoughts to be > displayed > > > > for everyone to see? I for one am not prepared to let all my > dirty > > > > little secrets be revealed for everone to see. What would the > people > > > > at the office think of me? See? We are scare shitless. Every > single > > > > one of us. Including celebrities on TV. > > > > > > Sure, AL ! > > > > > > > > > ...a man might be unwilling, concerned or afraid to talk about > his > > > recent " affair " with his secretary to ...his wife. > > > > > > Or to discuss his recent fantasy involving, ...a girl, he saw ? > > > > > > Similarly, a man speeding in his car, ...might be afraid of cops > and > > > may not tell cops that he was speeding. > > > > > > In dark, walking in woods, ...one might be afraid of snakes or > wild > > > animal ...? > > > . > > > ... > > > ..... > > > > > > ...but. the real question is ...why? > > > > > > And, shouldn't he be Afraid ? > > > > > > Should he be `afraid' and careful in these or similar scenario > > > or ...should he just be all bold and careless and talk about > it ...? > > > > > > ..... > > > ... > > > . > > > > > > is it just `fear', or can such a thing also be called ... " wisdom " > > > and " common sense " . > > > > > > > > > ...IOW, Isn't it part of what is meant by being a ...'thinking' > human? > > > > > > [.....] > > > > Yeah, a _thinking_ human being, that is. Have you investigated the > > nature of thought? Do you believe thought is important? Why is > thought > > important? > > Quite possibly, ...thinking, thoughts and minds have created the > companies, computers and software that is letting you communicate > with these many people, ...among many other things. > > Is it `important' or not ? > We _think_ thought is creating these things, but is it really? Maybe one could see everything as the same unfolding web of life, a completely automatic process, but an extremely advanced process in which thought is just one aspect within this web. We can call it complexity unfolding. Every atom is helt together in this web, this Indra's Net, the unifying quantum soup of existence. It is not thought that holds the atoms together in order to create a rock, a flower or a human brain. It is not thought holding thought together, and perhaps not thought that is the 'cause' of creating companies and computers. Eckhart Tolle said: " Thinking is not the only state for humans, and not the highest. " I am very curious to find out if Tolle is fooling himself and trying to fool others, or if what he says really is the truth. At least I know from personal experience that my thinking is very cumbersome and often in conflict with " the rest of the world " . I also listen to other 'sages' like Vernon Howard, and what he said is very similar to what Tolle says. Catherine Ingram, another sage, talks about being comfortable within one's own skin. I can feel they are on to something. I am desperate to know that state myself. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " donjuan043 " <nm156p@m...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Can't you feel the _constant_ fear in you; that everlasting > > > defensive > > > > " me " in the form of a solidifies separate self around an > extremely > > > > vulnerable core? Why do you think people get angry? Get annoyed? > > > > Irritated? They have an extremely sensitive separate self to > > > protect. > > > > That's why there is irritation when having to stand in line at > the > > > > supermarket. Can't you see the inner conflict? The constant > inner > > > > conflict. > > > > > > No, sorry. Sometimes I do feel fear and insecurity, but it's not > > > constant. I know you think deep-down we always feel it, but I > don't > > > agree. > > > > > > > I agree that often we don't feel our own inner conflict, but that's > > only because it is temporarily being obscured by some activity. > That's > > also often the reason why people seek distraction from their own > mind > > all the time. The mind in this way tries to hide and deny its own > > inner conflict. Try to sit alone in front of the TV for a couple of > > hours without having the TV on. Then you will begin to recognize the > > unease in you. > > > > > > > > > > Why do we have insurances? That's because of fear, isn't it? > > > > > > Ummm... no, it's practical. New car + accident = lots of out of > > > pocket money! If you call it fear, I call it useful. Wow, you're > > > really waging a battle against this fear thingy... are you > reading > > > too many Krishnamurti books?! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > To be honest is simply to drop the fake mask of confidence, of > faked > > > > happiness, of faked contentment... of faked understanding... > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > If these are 'faked' is there anything that's not faked? What > masks > > > should one, can one, wear? > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > The removing of the constant seeking of distraction from the mind's > > own inner conflict is the beginning of peace. What we call desire is > > just a lesser form of conflict that we poor human beings take as > being > > the only happiness we have. Virtually everyone is carrying around a > > mental fear/desire map that guides their life. Each map is limited > and > > rigid, and the interaction between people is never truly harmonious. > > Not even _one_ of these maps is in line with the living present > > moment; then how can two or three of these maps put together even > > begin to approach harmony? > > > > /AL > > There is nothing outside of Mind. > > Everything is 'thought' or 'memory'.(aka Mind) > > Experience creates the thought based on the comparison of present > memory.Its an ongoing process.'I' or 'self' cannot end itself. > There is no one in 'there' to end this organic process. > > Its all memory...there is nothing inside the human brain except empty > babbling memory and the primary over riding memory called 'I' or > anxiety,(or dread,or fear or whatever one likes to name it) : ) > > Will all your philosophy help you escape this fear...? > > Its got everything living or crawling on the run. > > Run if you must...you will only die tired. Why is my mind always running away into the future? It's seems so redundant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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