Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/27/05 9:18:01 AM, anders_lindman > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: When I write something I make comparisons with previous > > > > > knowledge so > > > > > > > that what I write makes some sense. Without that comparison > > > > there > > > > > > > would be no or less structure. Maybe that comparison is > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: No! it's not needed. As you say it creates conflict. I > > > > don't > > > > > compare > > > > > > what I write to anything I wrote, or know. It just > > writes > > > > > itself, and I > > > > > > let > > > > > > it stand like that. Try it and see how that feels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you write here encourages me to accept the possibility of > > at > > > > > least lessening the conflict in me. It must be a great relief > > to be > > > > > able to write or say something without judging oneself > > internally > > > > all > > > > > the time. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > It can be a great relief to allow those judgements to come and go > > as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > Yes! If one _feels_ good in body and mind, then the play of > > judgements > > > can be enjoyed, but when there is suffering there is suffering, and > > to > > > be honest, a very, very deep suffering in many people. The slightest > > > thought about this suffering can bring tears to one's eyes. > > > > > > /AL > > > > So, is the suffering there without thinking about it? If so, you'd > > have to establish it as something real existing outside of your > > awareness now. The only way to do that is to think about it. > > > > And if there is great suffering outside of this awareness here, is it > > something that needs to be changed? > > > > Joe > > Conflict is felt in every cell in my body and in the very structure of > how these cells interact. This conflict has a depth of billion years > of evolution. > > /AL Where the hell did you get these ideas?! What utter bullshit, Anders. So, what's it like to be a liver cell digesting a Budweiser? Lots of fear there, huh? Or how about a cell on the bottom of the foot that's about to be rubbed off... " Oh now, it's my time to be exfoliated, somebody help! " The bones are very afraid. This conflict exists in your mind only. You tell stories about it and believe it. What if there were no conflict to free yourself from? Then what would you do? I'm asking that sincerely, because it sounds like this conflict has become a mission of sorts for Anders. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/27/05 9:18:01 AM, > anders_lindman > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: When I write something I make comparisons with > previous > > > > > > knowledge so > > > > > > > > that what I write makes some sense. Without that > comparison > > > > > there > > > > > > > > would be no or less structure. Maybe that comparison is > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: No! it's not needed. As you say it creates > conflict. I > > > > > don't > > > > > > compare > > > > > > > what I write to anything I wrote, or know. It just > > > writes > > > > > > itself, and I > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > it stand like that. Try it and see how that feels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you write here encourages me to accept the possibility > of > > > at > > > > > > least lessening the conflict in me. It must be a great > relief > > > to be > > > > > > able to write or say something without judging oneself > > > internally > > > > > all > > > > > > the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > It can be a great relief to allow those judgements to come > and go > > > as > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > Yes! If one _feels_ good in body and mind, then the play of > > > judgements > > > > can be enjoyed, but when there is suffering there is suffering, > and > > > to > > > > be honest, a very, very deep suffering in many people. The > slightest > > > > thought about this suffering can bring tears to one's eyes. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > So, is the suffering there without thinking about it? If so, > you'd > > > have to establish it as something real existing outside of your > > > awareness now. The only way to do that is to think about it. > > > > > > And if there is great suffering outside of this awareness here, > is it > > > something that needs to be changed? > > > > > > Joe > > > > Conflict is felt in every cell in my body and in the very structure > of > > how these cells interact. This conflict has a depth of billion years > > of evolution. > > > > /AL > > Where the hell did you get these ideas?! > What utter bullshit, Anders. > > So, what's it like to be a liver cell digesting a Budweiser? Lots of > fear there, huh? Or how about a cell on the bottom of the foot that's > about to be rubbed off... " Oh now, it's my time to be exfoliated, > somebody help! " > > The bones are very afraid. > > This conflict exists in your mind only. You tell stories about it and > believe it. What if there were no conflict to free yourself from? > Then what would you do? > > I'm asking that sincerely, because it sounds like this conflict has > become a mission of sorts for Anders. > > Joe Once you recognize the deep contraction in your body you will be shocked of how such painful state of being has been allowed to perpetuate itself. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Once you recognize the deep contraction in your body you will be > shocked of how such painful state of being has been allowed to > perpetuate itself. > > /AL Oh, the drama! I can't wait. I'll give you a call when that happens. " Poor me, I've been wracked with this terrible contraction of fear... now I will fight it and find out how to be rid of it. " Just kidding with you, Anders. Best wishes, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/27/05 9:18:01 AM, > anders_lindman > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: When I write something I make comparisons with > previous > > > > > > knowledge so > > > > > > > > that what I write makes some sense. Without that > comparison > > > > > there > > > > > > > > would be no or less structure. Maybe that comparison is > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: No! it's not needed. As you say it creates > conflict. I > > > > > don't > > > > > > compare > > > > > > > what I write to anything I wrote, or know. It just > > > writes > > > > > > itself, and I > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > it stand like that. Try it and see how that feels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you write here encourages me to accept the possibility > of > > > at > > > > > > least lessening the conflict in me. It must be a great > relief > > > to be > > > > > > able to write or say something without judging oneself > > > internally > > > > > all > > > > > > the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > It can be a great relief to allow those judgements to come > and go > > > as > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > Yes! If one _feels_ good in body and mind, then the play of > > > judgements > > > > can be enjoyed, but when there is suffering there is suffering, > and > > > to > > > > be honest, a very, very deep suffering in many people. The > slightest > > > > thought about this suffering can bring tears to one's eyes. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > So, is the suffering there without thinking about it? If so, > you'd > > > have to establish it as something real existing outside of your > > > awareness now. The only way to do that is to think about it. > > > > > > And if there is great suffering outside of this awareness here, > is it > > > something that needs to be changed? > > > > > > Joe > > > > Conflict is felt in every cell in my body and in the very structure > of > > how these cells interact. This conflict has a depth of billion years > > of evolution. > > > > /AL > > Where the hell did you get these ideas?! > What utter bullshit, Anders. > > So, what's it like to be a liver cell digesting a Budweiser? Lots of > fear there, huh? Or how about a cell on the bottom of the foot that's > about to be rubbed off... " Oh now, it's my time to be exfoliated, > somebody help! " > > The bones are very afraid. > > This conflict exists in your mind only. You tell stories about it and > believe it. What if there were no conflict to free yourself from? > Then what would you do? > > I'm asking that sincerely, because it sounds like this conflict has > become a mission of sorts for Anders. > > Joe Sincerely? Funny, it doesn't come across that way. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > This conflict exists in your mind only. You tell stories about it > and > > believe it. What if there were no conflict to free yourself from? > > Then what would you do? > > > > I'm asking that sincerely, because it sounds like this conflict > has > > become a mission of sorts for Anders. > > > > Joe > > Sincerely? > > Funny, it doesn't come across that way. > > -- Dan It was sincere. But, I don't think he answered it. I guess Anders doesn't see it as a thought-constructed mission but a reality. " We are fear. " And then I guess we're supposed to at least admit it or be free of it. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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