Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Q. Of what use to his family is a wise householder who is unmindful of his bodily comforts and of what use is his family to him? A.: Although he is entirely unmindful of his bodily comforts, if, owing to his past karma, his family have to subsist by his efforts, he may be regarded as doing service to others. If it is asked whether the wise man derives any benefit from the discharge of domestic duties, it may be answered that, as he has already attained the state of complete satisfaction which is the sum total of all benefits and the highest good of all, he does not stand to gain anything more by discharging family duties. ~ Ramana Maharshi http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html Now, the question is ... What is DUTY ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Q. Of what use to his family is a wise householder who is unmindful > of his bodily comforts and of what use is his family to him? > > A.: Although he is entirely unmindful of his bodily comforts, if, > owing to his past karma, his family have to subsist by his efforts, > he may be regarded as doing service to others. If it is asked whether > the wise man derives any benefit from the discharge of domestic > duties, it may be answered that, as he has already attained the state > of complete satisfaction which is the sum total of all benefits and > the highest good of all, he does not stand to gain anything more by > discharging family duties. > > ~ Ramana Maharshi > > http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html > > > Now, the question is ... > > What is DUTY ...? Isn't it whatever you say it is? To the soldier, duty is protecting his country. To the mother, it's raising her children. It seems we all create our " duties " -- whatever is of value to us. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Q. Of what use to his family is a wise householder who is unmindful > > of his bodily comforts and of what use is his family to him? > > > > A.: Although he is entirely unmindful of his bodily comforts, if, > > owing to his past karma, his family have to subsist by his efforts, > > he may be regarded as doing service to others. If it is asked > whether > > the wise man derives any benefit from the discharge of domestic > > duties, it may be answered that, as he has already attained the > state > > of complete satisfaction which is the sum total of all benefits and > > the highest good of all, he does not stand to gain anything more by > > discharging family duties. > > > > ~ Ramana Maharshi > > > > http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html > > > > > > Now, the question is ... > > > > What is DUTY ...? > > Isn't it whatever you say it is? To the soldier, duty is protecting > his country. To the mother, it's raising her children. > > It seems we all create our " duties " -- whatever is of value to us. > > Joe Thanks, Joe ! >>Isn't it whatever you say it is? So, if it is what " you " say, it is ...aren't you a doer? >>To the soldier, duty is protecting his country. `Identifying' as a soldier, ...is not that an identification? And, even then, ...what is/was the " real " duty of somebody working in British ruled India or pre-independence USA? Is it to fight for independence or is it to carry out what the `ruler' says ... What is the `duty' of the people ruled by Hitler or Saddam. Is it to do " what " the ruler says, ...or is it find out what is " right " thing to do? What about the soldiers working in those armies ? What about the soldiers `assigned' to `torture' innocents ...? Who decides? .. .... ...... Who decides the duty for a husband ? Is it his wife ? What about wife's duty ? What about that of parent's, children's ? Can " this " duty-ship work without a heavy dose of `identification' and ...strong Doership? Does " Self " says " what " to Do ...? can it ...? >>It seems we all create our " duties " -- whatever is of value to us. Again, ...if " we " create it then ...who is the " doer " ? Again, if it is ... " whatever is of value to us " , ....aren't we heavily identified and ...a Doer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > >>Isn't it whatever you say it is? > > So, if it is what " you " say, it is ...aren't you a doer? Oh God, not a " DOER " !! Isn't that the equivalent to a woman-beater in Feminist circles?! :-) > >>It seems we all create our " duties " -- whatever is of value to us. > > Again, ...if " we " create it then ...who is the " doer " ? > > Again, if it is ... " whatever is of value to us " , ....aren't we > heavily identified and ...a Doer? If you feel you have a duty, then yes, you're probably identified as something. So, what's the problem? We're not supposed to be identified? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > >>Isn't it whatever you say it is? > > > > So, if it is what " you " say, it is ...aren't you a doer? > > > Oh God, not a " DOER " !! Isn't that the equivalent to a woman-beater in > Feminist circles?! :-) > > > > > >>It seems we all create our " duties " -- whatever is of value to us. > > > > Again, ...if " we " create it then ...who is the " doer " ? > > > > Again, if it is ... " whatever is of value to us " , ....aren't we > > heavily identified and ...a Doer? > > If you feel you have a duty, then yes, you're probably identified as > something. > > So, what's the problem? We're not supposed to be identified? > > Joe Thanks, Joe! I am sking these in refrence to Ramana's passages at From http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html 23. It is an established rule that SO LONG AS THERE IS THE LEAST IDEA OF I-AM-THE-DOER, SELF-KNOWLEDGE CANNOT BE ATTAINED, but is it possible for an aspirant who is a householder to discharge his duties properly without this sense? As there is no rule that action should depend upon a sense of being the doer it is unnecessary to doubt whether any action will take place without a doer or an act of doing. .... 24. Of what use to his family is a wise householder who is unmindful of his bodily comforts and of what use is his family to him? Although he is entirely unmindful of his bodily comforts, .... 25. How can cessation of activity (nivritti) and peace of mind be attained in the midst of household duties which are of the nature of constant activity? AS THE ACTIVITIES OF THE WISE MAN EXIST ONLY IN THE EYES OF OTHERS AND NOT IN HIS OWN, although he may be accomplishing immense tasks, he really does nothing. Therefore his activities do not stand in the way of inaction and peace of mind. FOR HE KNOWS THE TRUTH THAT ALL ACTIVITIES TAKE PLACE IN HIS MERE PRESENCE AND THAT HE DOES NOTHING. HENCE HE WILL REMAIN AS THE SILENT WITNESS OF ALL THE ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > If you feel you have a duty, then yes, you're probably identified > as > > something. > > > > So, what's the problem? We're not supposed to be identified? > > > > Joe > > Thanks, Joe! > > I am sking these in refrence to Ramana's passages at > > From http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html Oh, shit. Ramana's dead. Now what do we do? Let's see if we can make out what the black marks that are on paper mean and then apply it to our lives! I'm not going to look for myself whether being identified is a problem -- I'd rather read what the dead guy in the diaper allegedly said. And then assume that utterance must the be true and then try to fit reality here as it is into what I assume he meant, based on my understanding now. Alright... you go first! Joe PS: Just kidding. I appreciate Ramana as much as anyone. I'm just in a irreverent, jovial mood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > If you feel you have a duty, then yes, you're probably identified > > as > > > something. > > > > > > So, what's the problem? We're not supposed to be identified? > > > > > > Joe > > > > Thanks, Joe! > > > > I am sking these in refrence to Ramana's passages at > > > > From http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html > > > Oh, shit. Ramana's dead. Now what do we do? Let's see if we can make > out what the black marks that are on paper mean and then apply it to > our lives! > > I'm not going to look for myself whether being identified is a > problem -- I'd rather read what the dead guy in the diaper allegedly > said. And then assume that utterance must the be true and then try to > fit reality here as it is into what I assume he meant, based on my > understanding now. > > Alright... you go first! > > Joe > > PS: Just kidding. I appreciate Ramana as much as anyone. I'm just in > a irreverent, jovial mood. Thanks, Joe! When, talking about things like, ...duty, moral we have to always talk in terms of what ...others Say. These are `social' construct. As `duty' is understood, humans have no in-born or inherent sense of it. It is `learned', `acquired' trait taught by the society ...FOR ...the society. My six month old son hardly has any sense of duty at all. he cries anytime he feels like ... Spirituality talks about ...'freedom', `liberation', `effortlessness', `end of identification', `end of Doership' ... Whereas, duty is often defined ...by " have to " , " should " , " must " ... Further, duty is almost always preceded with " my " , " your " as in ...my duty, your duty and roles such as ... " soldier's duty " , " teacher's duty " , " parent's duty " I am wondering, if these two, ...liberation and `performing duty' are in conflict or Not. Ramana and that passage becomes interesting because, he is addressing ...this question. He becomes even more interesting because at one end, he talks about ...duty, enlightenment, jnana, realization, liberation going hand in hand ... At the other hand, ...he himself left home, dropped studies, didn't follow mother's requests and did not do what some families and society might `define' as Duty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Q. Of what use to his family is a wise householder who is unmindful > of his bodily comforts and of what use is his family to him? > > A.: Although he is entirely unmindful of his bodily comforts, if, > owing to his past karma, his family have to subsist by his efforts, > he may be regarded as doing service to others. If it is asked whether > the wise man derives any benefit from the discharge of domestic > duties, it may be answered that, as he has already attained the state > of complete satisfaction which is the sum total of all benefits and > the highest good of all, he does not stand to gain anything more by > discharging family duties. > > ~ Ramana Maharshi > > http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html > > > Now, the question is ... > > What is DUTY ...? Good question. Isn't duties things that we find boring to do? Why would it otherwise be called duty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Where love ends, duty and responsibility start. J. Krishnamurti Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Q. Of what use to his family is a wise householder who is unmindful > of his bodily comforts and of what use is his family to him? > > A.: Although he is entirely unmindful of his bodily comforts, if, > owing to his past karma, his family have to subsist by his efforts, > he may be regarded as doing service to others. If it is asked whether > the wise man derives any benefit from the discharge of domestic > duties, it may be answered that, as he has already attained the state > of complete satisfaction which is the sum total of all benefits and > the highest good of all, he does not stand to gain anything more by > discharging family duties. > > ~ Ramana Maharshi > > http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html > > > Now, the question is ... > > What is DUTY ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > Where love ends, duty and responsibility start. > > J. Krishnamurti I really like what Krishnamurti said. He says things that I feel is very true. I cannot yet explain them as well as J. K. but somehow I know he points to something of profound truth. And if we look at it, isn't it only the mega-ego who thinks there is such thing as duty? (I told you, I cannot explain what I sense as well as J. K., for I am still operation from a level of the intellect) /AL > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Q. Of what use to his family is a wise householder who is unmindful > > of his bodily comforts and of what use is his family to him? > > > > A.: Although he is entirely unmindful of his bodily comforts, if, > > owing to his past karma, his family have to subsist by his efforts, > > he may be regarded as doing service to others. If it is asked > whether > > the wise man derives any benefit from the discharge of domestic > > duties, it may be answered that, as he has already attained the > state > > of complete satisfaction which is the sum total of all benefits and > > the highest good of all, he does not stand to gain anything more by > > discharging family duties. > > > > ~ Ramana Maharshi > > > > http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html > > > > > > Now, the question is ... > > > > What is DUTY ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Yes Anders, It is not just that way with you but with most of us to instantly understand soemthing without being able expressing it in words. If someone says she/he feels responsible for her/his children, the obviously this person doesn't love her/his children. Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > > > Where love ends, duty and responsibility start. > > > > J. Krishnamurti > > I really like what Krishnamurti said. He says things that I feel is > very true. I cannot yet explain them as well as J. K. but somehow I > know he points to something of profound truth. And if we look at it, > isn't it only the mega-ego who thinks there is such thing as duty? (I > told you, I cannot explain what I sense as well as J. K., for I am > still operation from a level of the intellect) > > /AL > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > Q. Of what use to his family is a wise householder who is unmindful > > > of his bodily comforts and of what use is his family to him? > > > > > > A.: Although he is entirely unmindful of his bodily comforts, if, > > > owing to his past karma, his family have to subsist by his efforts, > > > he may be regarded as doing service to others. If it is asked > > whether > > > the wise man derives any benefit from the discharge of domestic > > > duties, it may be answered that, as he has already attained the > > state > > > of complete satisfaction which is the sum total of all benefits and > > > the highest good of all, he does not stand to gain anything more by > > > discharging family duties. > > > > > > ~ Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html > > > > > > > > > Now, the question is ... > > > > > > What is DUTY ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Yes Anders, > > It is not just that way with you but with most of us to instantly > understand soemthing without being able expressing it in words. > > If someone says she/he feels responsible for her/his children, the > obviously this person doesn't love her/his children. In " A Course in Miracles " it is written: Perfect love casts out fear. And also that if there is fear then there is not perfect love. To feel responsibility for something is the belief of separate existence. That's an ego trip. And we can see for ourselves that such trip is a path of _opposing_ the rest of the world; it is a path of struggle. Responsibility is the illusionary struggle between a fictious " me " and " the rest of the world " . When I say these things, it does not come across as being true, because I am not coming from a state of love, I am coming from a state of hatred and fear (to put it bluntly). But we can see the truth of this simply by feeling our own feeling about words like " duty " and " responsibility " . It's not likely that we jump up in the air out of sheer joy and ecstasy hearing these words. The feelings accompanying these words tell their own truth. /AL > > Werner > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Where love ends, duty and responsibility start. > > > > > > J. Krishnamurti > > > > I really like what Krishnamurti said. He says things that I feel is > > very true. I cannot yet explain them as well as J. K. but somehow I > > know he points to something of profound truth. And if we look at it, > > isn't it only the mega-ego who thinks there is such thing as duty? > (I > > told you, I cannot explain what I sense as well as J. K., for I am > > still operation from a level of the intellect) > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > Q. Of what use to his family is a wise householder who is > unmindful > > > > of his bodily comforts and of what use is his family to him? > > > > > > > > A.: Although he is entirely unmindful of his bodily comforts, > if, > > > > owing to his past karma, his family have to subsist by his > efforts, > > > > he may be regarded as doing service to others. If it is asked > > > whether > > > > the wise man derives any benefit from the discharge of domestic > > > > duties, it may be answered that, as he has already attained the > > > state > > > > of complete satisfaction which is the sum total of all benefits > and > > > > the highest good of all, he does not stand to gain anything > more by > > > > discharging family duties. > > > > > > > > ~ Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > > > http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the question is ... > > > > > > > > What is DUTY ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Aha, There is a children's toy, a bird on a box, when you wind it up then it will start to chirp. It seems you are some kind of perpetuum bird winding up itself. But instead of chirping it is constantly revealing the contents of its intellect: Chatter, chatter, chatter ... Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Yes Anders, > > > > It is not just that way with you but with most of us to instantly > > understand soemthing without being able expressing it in words. > > > > If someone says she/he feels responsible for her/his children, the > > obviously this person doesn't love her/his children. > > In " A Course in Miracles " it is written: Perfect love casts out fear. > And also that if there is fear then there is not perfect love. > > To feel responsibility for something is the belief of separate > existence. That's an ego trip. And we can see for ourselves that such > trip is a path of _opposing_ the rest of the world; it is a path of > struggle. Responsibility is the illusionary struggle between a > fictious " me " and " the rest of the world " . When I say these things, it > does not come across as being true, because I am not coming from a > state of love, I am coming from a state of hatred and fear (to put it > bluntly). But we can see the truth of this simply by feeling our own > feeling about words like " duty " and " responsibility " . It's not likely > that we jump up in the air out of sheer joy and ecstasy hearing these > words. The feelings accompanying these words tell their own truth. > > /AL > > > > > > Werner > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Where love ends, duty and responsibility start. > > > > > > > > J. Krishnamurti > > > > > > I really like what Krishnamurti said. He says things that I feel is > > > very true. I cannot yet explain them as well as J. K. but somehow I > > > know he points to something of profound truth. And if we look at it, > > > isn't it only the mega-ego who thinks there is such thing as duty? > > (I > > > told you, I cannot explain what I sense as well as J. K., for I am > > > still operation from a level of the intellect) > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Q. Of what use to his family is a wise householder who is > > unmindful > > > > > of his bodily comforts and of what use is his family to him? > > > > > > > > > > A.: Although he is entirely unmindful of his bodily comforts, > > if, > > > > > owing to his past karma, his family have to subsist by his > > efforts, > > > > > he may be regarded as doing service to others. If it is asked > > > > whether > > > > > the wise man derives any benefit from the discharge of domestic > > > > > duties, it may be answered that, as he has already attained the > > > > state > > > > > of complete satisfaction which is the sum total of all benefits > > and > > > > > the highest good of all, he does not stand to gain anything > > more by > > > > > discharging family duties. > > > > > > > > > > ~ Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > > > > > http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the question is ... > > > > > > > > > > What is DUTY ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Aha, > > There is a children's toy, a bird on a box, when you wind it up then > it will start to chirp. It seems you are some kind of perpetuum bird > winding up itself. But instead of chirping it is constantly revealing > the contents of its intellect: Chatter, chatter, chatter ... > > Werner True resposibility is the capacity for harmony and peace. Fear always indicates a lie. Fear indicates a struggle against time, and time, as J. Krishnamurti put it, is the psychological enemy of humanity. " This moment is enough. It is enough. " -- Eckhart Tolle :-) /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Message: 8 Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:52:02 -0000 " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman Re: What is DUTY ...? Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Q. Of what use to his family is a wise householder who is unmindful > of his bodily comforts and of what use is his family to him? > > A.: Although he is entirely unmindful of his bodily comforts, if, > owing to his past karma, his family have to subsist by his efforts, > he may be regarded as doing service to others. If it is asked whether > the wise man derives any benefit from the discharge of domestic > duties, it may be answered that, as he has already attained the state > of complete satisfaction which is the sum total of all benefits and > the highest good of all, he does not stand to gain anything more by > discharging family duties. > > ~ Ramana Maharshi > > http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html > > > Now, the question is ... > > What is DUTY ...? >Good question. Isn't duties things that we find boring to do? Why >would it otherwise be called duty? just live in the present with awareness of the mind and skilled compassion... if your life circumstance are to baby-sit you do that. be humble in front of life. dividing life between fun and duty is escaping. it is all fun, and all duty. all that matters is the attitude.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemant bhai " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > Message: 8 > Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:52:02 -0000 > " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> > Re: What is DUTY ...? > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Q. Of what use to his family is a wise householder who is unmindful > > of his bodily comforts and of what use is his family to him? > > > > A.: Although he is entirely unmindful of his bodily comforts, if, > > owing to his past karma, his family have to subsist by his efforts, > > he may be regarded as doing service to others. If it is asked whether > > the wise man derives any benefit from the discharge of domestic > > duties, it may be answered that, as he has already attained the state > > of complete satisfaction which is the sum total of all benefits and > > the highest good of all, he does not stand to gain anything more by > > discharging family duties. > > > > ~ Ramana Maharshi > > > > http://www.terebess.hu/english/maharshi.html > > > > > > Now, the question is ... > > > > What is DUTY ...? > > >Good question. Isn't duties things that we find boring to do? Why > >would it otherwise be called duty? > > just live in the present with awareness of the mind and skilled > compassion... if your life circumstance are to baby-sit you do that. be > humble in front of life. dividing life between fun and duty is escaping. > > it is all fun, and all duty. all that matters is the attitude.... Yes, as Ramana said, to someone who has attained the state of complete satisfaction, all is satisfaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Spirituality talks > about ...'freedom', `liberation', `effortlessness', `end of > identification', `end of Doership' ... > > > Whereas, duty is often defined ...by " have to " , " should " , " must " ... > > Further, duty is almost always preceded with " my " , " your " as in ...my > duty, your duty and roles such as ... " soldier's duty " , " teacher's > duty " , " parent's duty " > > > I am wondering, if these two, ...liberation and `performing duty' > are in conflict or Not.! It seems to me they are the same. Talk of liberation, spirituality and enlightenment is always MY and MINE too! We're not worried about the other guy getting enlightened... it's about me! Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Spirituality talks > > about ...'freedom', `liberation', `effortlessness', `end of > > identification', `end of Doership' ... > > > > > > Whereas, duty is often defined ...by " have > to " , " should " , " must " ... > > > > Further, duty is almost always preceded with " my " , " your " as > in ...my > > duty, your duty and roles such as ... " soldier's duty " , " teacher's > > duty " , " parent's duty " > > > > > > I am wondering, if these two, ...liberation and `performing duty' > > are in conflict or Not.! > > It seems to me they are the same. Talk of liberation, spirituality > and enlightenment is always MY and MINE too! We're not worried about > the other guy getting enlightened... it's about me! " getting " it as well as the ... " path " to it is suppossed to be ... " end of me " ! > > Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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