Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality talks > > > about ...'freedom', `liberation', `effortlessness', `end of > > > identification', `end of Doership' ... > > > > > > > > > Whereas, duty is often defined ...by " have > > to " , " should " , " must " ... > > > > > > Further, duty is almost always preceded with " my " , " your " as > > in ...my > > > duty, your duty and roles such as ... " soldier's duty " , " teacher's > > > duty " , " parent's duty " > > > > > > > > > I am wondering, if these two, ...liberation and `performing > duty' > > > are in conflict or Not.! > > > > It seems to me they are the same. Talk of liberation, spirituality > > and enlightenment is always MY and MINE too! We're not worried > about > > the other guy getting enlightened... it's about me! > > > " getting " it as well as the ... " path " to it is suppossed to > be ... " end of me " ! There's no end of me. Another fairy tale. The me starts right now and ends right now. When the images of me are believed to refer to some " thing " there arises grasping and belief in this thing. But as thought arises now (it's only ever arising now) the me is created again and again. Personally, I am thankful for this. If you want to really be rid of the me I'd suggest strong drugs or a bullet to the head. This wanting to be rid of the me is crazy. From my perspective, the me is just an image w no concrete reality. It arises and falls w thought -- like all " me " s do. But this isn't the end of me. " End of me " implies time, a future and a past me. It's just not there. Me wanting to be rid of the me is... guess who?? ME!!!!!!!! Yaaayyyyyy. And on it on it goes. :-D Joe > > > > > > > Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality talks > > > > about ...'freedom', `liberation', `effortlessness', `end of > > > > identification', `end of Doership' ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas, duty is often defined ...by " have > > > to " , " should " , " must " ... > > > > > > > > Further, duty is almost always preceded with " my " , " your " as > > > in ...my > > > > duty, your duty and roles such as ... " soldier's > duty " , " teacher's > > > > duty " , " parent's duty " > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering, if these two, ...liberation and `performing > > duty' > > > > are in conflict or Not.! > > > > > > It seems to me they are the same. Talk of liberation, > spirituality > > > and enlightenment is always MY and MINE too! We're not worried > > about > > > the other guy getting enlightened... it's about me! > > > > > > " getting " it as well as the ... " path " to it is suppossed to > > be ... " end of me " ! > > There's no end of me. Another fairy tale. The me starts right now > and ends right now. ....if, that was the case, then, maybe enlightenment too starts and ends now. However, I think, we were discussing, ...whether enlightenemnt is said to be " end of me " or Not. Whether, " end of me " is possible or not, that is another qusetion. But, isn't that's how enlightenemnt is described at many places ... " end of personal me " . >When the images of me are believed to refer to > some " thing " there arises grasping and belief in this thing. But as > thought arises now (it's only ever arising now) the me is created > again and again. Personally, I am thankful for this. If you want to > really be rid of the me I'd suggest strong drugs or a bullet to the > head. This wanting to be rid of the me is crazy. > > From my perspective, the me is just an image w no concrete reality. > It arises and falls w thought -- like all " me " s do. But this isn't > the end of me. " End of me " implies time, a future and a past me. > It's just not there. > > Me wanting to be rid of the me is... guess who?? > > ME!!!!!!!! > > Yaaayyyyyy. And on it on it goes. :-D > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality talks > > > > > about ...'freedom', `liberation', `effortlessness', `end of > > > > > identification', `end of Doership' ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas, duty is often defined ...by " have > > > > to " , " should " , " must " ... > > > > > > > > > > Further, duty is almost always preceded with " my " , " your " as > > > > in ...my > > > > > duty, your duty and roles such as ... " soldier's > > duty " , " teacher's > > > > > duty " , " parent's duty " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering, if these two, ...liberation and `performing > > > duty' > > > > > are in conflict or Not.! > > > > > > > > It seems to me they are the same. Talk of liberation, > > spirituality > > > > and enlightenment is always MY and MINE too! We're not worried > > > about > > > > the other guy getting enlightened... it's about me! > > > > > > > > > " getting " it as well as the ... " path " to it is suppossed to > > > be ... " end of me " ! > > > > There's no end of me. Another fairy tale. The me starts right now > > and ends right now. > > ...if, that was the case, then, maybe enlightenment too starts and > ends now. > > However, I think, we were discussing, ...whether enlightenemnt is > said to be " end of me " or Not. > > Whether, " end of me " is possible or not, that is another qusetion. > > But, isn't that's how enlightenemnt is described at many > places ... " end of personal me " . From my reading, that's a very neo=advaita definition. There's many definitions. I don't think enlightenment is any thing. One has to define it before it becomes something. My preference is to drop the whole enlightenment thing. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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