Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > " You have to die from moment to moment " . > > > >But maybe I still was to young. The last time I have read K was over > >15 Years ago and at those days I was much more fascinated by women > >than considering dying. This dying moment to moment sounds like such a drama. Sometimes K was a bit full of himself. What dies moment to moment -- and was it ever living? (rhetorical question) It's just another game, this dying moment to moment. The images of self can be seen as images. But they don't live or die. It's an apparent self that's speaking of dying moment to moment. Ooops, I hate when that happens. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: >This dying moment to moment sounds like such a drama. Born moment to moment Myridas of births... myriad of deaths... this very moment such a drama... right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > >This dying moment to moment sounds like such a drama. > > Born moment to moment > > Myridas of births... myriad of deaths... this very moment > > such a drama... right now Yes, if thought names it as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > wrote: > > > > >This dying moment to moment sounds like such a drama. > > > > Born moment to moment > > > > Myridas of births... myriad of deaths... this very moment > > > > such a drama... right now > > > Yes, if thought names it as such. Names what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > > wrote: > > > > > > >This dying moment to moment sounds like such a drama. > > > > > > Born moment to moment > > > > > > Myridas of births... myriad of deaths... this very moment > > > > > > such a drama... right now > > > > > > Yes, if thought names it as such. > > Names what? > > > Born moment to moment > > > > > > Myridas of births... myriad of deaths... this very moment > > > > > > such a drama... right now What you wrote above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I: >Born moment to moment >Myridas of births... myriad of deaths... this very moment >such a drama... right now You: >Yes, if thought names it as such. Is not the mentioning of the process of " dying/be born " again just thought, naming something? Therefor I asked " names what? " . I was wondering if you can tell me *what it is* in your own words. Is there a way of saying it without naming it? Greetings S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > I: > >Born moment to moment > >Myridas of births... myriad of deaths... this very moment > >such a drama... right now > > You: > >Yes, if thought names it as such. > > Is not the mentioning of the process of " dying/be born " again just > thought, naming something? Therefor I asked " names what? " . I was > wondering if you can tell me *what it is* in your own words. Is there > a way of saying it without naming it? > > Greetings > S. Oh, I see, good question. Me chewing my sandwich with lettuce spilling out of it here is about as good as it gets! Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > wrote: >>Is >>there >>a way of saying it without naming it? >Oh, I see, good question. > >Me chewing my sandwich with lettuce spilling out of it here is about >as good as it gets! I am not sure if you are avoiding the question or if this is superior wisdom. In fact I was hoping to learn something about your way of thinking. Now I know at least something about your eating habits. But still mostly anything you write leaves me with questions. Like when you wrote: " It's just another game, this dying moment to moment. " I immediately was wondering who is playing that game. Because I dont have the feeling that dying is something that one can " do " (as in playing games). It is rather pointing to where everything inevitably ends up sooner or later. This reminds me to a story: While selling his wares at the bazaar, Nasrudin was robbed. As soon as he realized what had happened he asked one of his friends to watch the rest of his supplies and promptly marched off. As the time passed and Nasrudin did not return, his friend became worried and gathered group of people to search for him. Finally, they found him sitting all alone in the graveyard. " Hey Mulla, is that you? " one of them called out, " what in God's name are you doing HERE??? " " Waiting for the thief who robbed me of my goods! " grunted Nasrudin. " What? here??? " " Yes, " replied Nasrudin confidently, " his sort inevitably ends up here sooner or later! " Greetings Nasrudin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > > wrote: > >>Is > >>there > >>a way of saying it without naming it? > > >Oh, I see, good question. > > > >Me chewing my sandwich with lettuce spilling out of it here is about > >as good as it gets! > > I am not sure if you are avoiding the question or if this is superior > wisdom. In fact I was hoping to learn something about your way of > thinking. Now I know at least something about your eating habits. But > still mostly anything you write leaves me with questions. Like when > you wrote: > > " It's just another game, this dying moment to moment. " > > I immediately was wondering who is playing that game. Because I dont > have the feeling that dying is something that one can " do " (as in > playing games). It is rather pointing to where everything inevitably > ends up sooner or later. This reminds me to a story: > > While selling his wares at the bazaar, Nasrudin was robbed. As soon as > he realized what had happened he asked one of his friends to watch > the rest of his supplies and promptly marched off. As the time > passed and Nasrudin did not return, his friend became worried and > gathered group of people to search for him. Finally, they found him > sitting all alone in the graveyard. " Hey Mulla, is that you? " one of > them called out, " what in God's name are you doing HERE??? " " Waiting > for the thief who robbed me of my goods! " grunted Nasrudin. " What? > here??? " " Yes, " replied Nasrudin confidently, " his sort inevitably > ends up here sooner or later! " > > Greetings > Nasrudin Hey Stefan -- :-) Thanks for the story. I like the Nasruddin stories. It seems to me dying moment to moment is another story that's told. Not that, that is a problem. I was reacting to the original quote by Krishnamurti which struck me as melodramatic -- as he often was IMO. What I mean by story is that thought comes in and describes this process of dying moment to moment. In that instant, the me appears which allegedly dies every second. It makes a triumphant return in the moment and the death it describes is not there, nor ever was. When I talk like that " dying moment to moment " or saying some other such thing), I feel like I am full of shit. In that instant I say something, it's not true. I like to describe this dying thingy as images which arise moment to moment. As soon as thought enters the scene, the me appears to appear as well. The " me " dissolves when it's seen that thought in that instant created it... but then it keeps doing so, over and over again. This is my reading of " dying moment to moment " . Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: >I like to describe this dying thingy as images which arise moment to >moment. As soon as thought enters the scene, the me appears to >appear >as well. The " me " dissolves when it's seen that thought in that >instant created it... but then it keeps doing so, over and over >again. This is my reading of " dying moment to moment " . Yes, that is exactly how I understand it as well. I believe that this is also meant by K. - although thoughts tend to interprete such words differently because they usually have quite some resistance against dying. Greetings S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > >I like to describe this dying thingy as images which arise moment to > >moment. As soon as thought enters the scene, the me appears to > >appear > >as well. The " me " dissolves when it's seen that thought in that > >instant created it... but then it keeps doing so, over and over > >again. This is my reading of " dying moment to moment " . > > Yes, that is exactly how I understand it as well. I believe that this > is also meant by K. - although thoughts tend to interprete such words > differently because they usually have quite some resistance against > dying. > > Greetings > S Do you think thoughts can interpret? Do they resist dying? Or is this a story about what came before? Isn't it interesting how thoughts arise and appear to point to previous thoughts and then form a story about those thoughts. What is this resistance to dying? Is there really a resistance there? There would have to be some goal, some thought created construct in order to have resistance. Maybe it's just the nature of the brain to secrete thoughts, much like the lymph nodes secrete lymph fluids. Thoughts seem to die on their own every moment. What then keeps living? Maybe it's the apparently coherent story about a me experiencing the world. I think that's what is meant when there is talk of resistance to dying. But I still wonder if it's a resistance or not. It doesn't seem to be unless thought names it as such... What do you think? Cheers Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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