Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I am not claiming to have stepped out of time. I don't even know if it is possible, or if possible if such movement really is healthy. However, stepping out of time could be a great experiment. At any given moment we have ideas about what is important, what is not so important and what is not important at all. In the same moment other similar ideas goes around in the minds of other persons. For example, " what George W. Bush said about the war today was (1) an important statement, (2) a false statement, (3) a not so important statement, (4) a good description of the current situation, and so on... " What is one could step out of the whole game of time? How important is _any_ idea without the concept of time? How unimportant is _any_ idea without the concept of time? What if one could step into the timeless now and behold all ideas, all " what ifs " , as powerless concepts? /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > I am not claiming to have stepped out of time. I don't even know if it > is possible, or if possible if such movement really is healthy. > However, stepping out of time could be a great experiment. At any > given moment we have ideas about what is important, what is not so > important and what is not important at all. In the same moment other > similar ideas goes around in the minds of other persons. For example, > " what George W. Bush said about the war today was (1) an important > statement, (2) a false statement, (3) a not so important statement, > (4) a good description of the current situation, and so on... " > > What is one could step out of the whole game of time? How important is > _any_ idea without the concept of time? How unimportant is _any_ idea > without the concept of time? What if one could step into the timeless > now and behold all ideas, all " what ifs " , as powerless concepts? > > /AL Hey AL -- When you ask about stepping out of time: 1. What would step out of time? It cannot be the body... nor can thought... nor can feelings... Could it be " stepping out of time " is referring to an insight that perhaps " time " as well as " me " are thoughts and ideas that are arising and dissipating in awareness now? And that my whole life, the whole world and all it contains also arise as ideas now... 2. Can time be known as time without thinking about it? Or does time arise with thought... comparing a " past " with this present now? Do any of our thoughts or ideas " touch " THIS now? Do they effect it? Can they refer to anything outside of this-now? -- or can such ideas only give birth to more ideas, no of which reach anywhere or touch anything? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > I am not claiming to have stepped out of time. I don't even know if > it > > is possible, or if possible if such movement really is healthy. > > However, stepping out of time could be a great experiment. At any > > given moment we have ideas about what is important, what is not so > > important and what is not important at all. In the same moment other > > similar ideas goes around in the minds of other persons. For > example, > > " what George W. Bush said about the war today was (1) an important > > statement, (2) a false statement, (3) a not so important statement, > > (4) a good description of the current situation, and so on... " > > > > What is one could step out of the whole game of time? How important > is > > _any_ idea without the concept of time? How unimportant is _any_ > idea > > without the concept of time? What if one could step into the > timeless > > now and behold all ideas, all " what ifs " , as powerless concepts? > > > > /AL > > Hey AL -- > > When you ask about stepping out of time: > > 1. What would step out of time? It cannot be the body... nor can > thought... nor can feelings... > > Could it be " stepping out of time " is referring to an insight that > perhaps " time " as well as " me " are thoughts and ideas that are > arising and dissipating in awareness now? And that my whole life, the > whole world and all it contains also arise as ideas now... > > 2. Can time be known as time without thinking about it? Or does time > arise with thought... comparing a " past " with this present now? > > Do any of our thoughts or ideas " touch " THIS now? Do they effect it? > Can they refer to anything outside of this-now? -- or can such ideas > only give birth to more ideas, no of which reach anywhere or touch > anything? > > Joe Ideas about time can touch time, for time is ideas and thought can move around and mold ideas into new configurations. But what will happen if the mind says: I am bored with time, I will not use any energy on creating time anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > I am not claiming to have stepped out of time. I don't even know if > > it > > > is possible, or if possible if such movement really is healthy. > > > However, stepping out of time could be a great experiment. At any > > > given moment we have ideas about what is important, what is not so > > > important and what is not important at all. In the same moment other > > > similar ideas goes around in the minds of other persons. For > > example, > > > " what George W. Bush said about the war today was (1) an important > > > statement, (2) a false statement, (3) a not so important statement, > > > (4) a good description of the current situation, and so on... " > > > > > > What is one could step out of the whole game of time? How important > > is > > > _any_ idea without the concept of time? How unimportant is _any_ > > idea > > > without the concept of time? What if one could step into the > > timeless > > > now and behold all ideas, all " what ifs " , as powerless concepts? > > > > > > /AL > > > > Hey AL -- > > > > When you ask about stepping out of time: > > > > 1. What would step out of time? It cannot be the body... nor can > > thought... nor can feelings... > > > > Could it be " stepping out of time " is referring to an insight that > > perhaps " time " as well as " me " are thoughts and ideas that are > > arising and dissipating in awareness now? And that my whole life, the > > whole world and all it contains also arise as ideas now... > > > > 2. Can time be known as time without thinking about it? Or does time > > arise with thought... comparing a " past " with this present now? > > > > Do any of our thoughts or ideas " touch " THIS now? Do they effect it? > > Can they refer to anything outside of this-now? -- or can such ideas > > only give birth to more ideas, no of which reach anywhere or touch > > anything? > > > > Joe > > Ideas about time can touch time, for time is ideas and thought can > move around and mold ideas into new configurations. But what will > happen if the mind says: I am bored with time, I will not use any > energy on creating time anymore. You're assuming there is a thing called " time " separate from an idea about it. One way to understand stepping out of time is seeing the empty nature of time -- that it's just an idea and the idea doesn't make it a fact. If you're not identified as anything, if you don't take yourself to be anything, then how can you be in time? Time arises as a result of a belief of a unified 'thing' traveling from past into future. But what will > happen if the mind says: I am bored with time, I will not use any > energy on creating time anymore. My mind has said that many times but it never helped much! See ya Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am not claiming to have stepped out of time. I don't even > know if > > > it > > > > is possible, or if possible if such movement really is healthy. > > > > However, stepping out of time could be a great experiment. At > any > > > > given moment we have ideas about what is important, what is not > so > > > > important and what is not important at all. In the same moment > other > > > > similar ideas goes around in the minds of other persons. For > > > example, > > > > " what George W. Bush said about the war today was (1) an > important > > > > statement, (2) a false statement, (3) a not so important > statement, > > > > (4) a good description of the current situation, and so on... " > > > > > > > > What is one could step out of the whole game of time? How > important > > > is > > > > _any_ idea without the concept of time? How unimportant is > _any_ > > > idea > > > > without the concept of time? What if one could step into the > > > timeless > > > > now and behold all ideas, all " what ifs " , as powerless concepts? > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > Hey AL -- > > > > > > When you ask about stepping out of time: > > > > > > 1. What would step out of time? It cannot be the body... nor can > > > thought... nor can feelings... > > > > > > Could it be " stepping out of time " is referring to an insight > that > > > perhaps " time " as well as " me " are thoughts and ideas that are > > > arising and dissipating in awareness now? And that my whole life, > the > > > whole world and all it contains also arise as ideas now... > > > > > > 2. Can time be known as time without thinking about it? Or does > time > > > arise with thought... comparing a " past " with this present now? > > > > > > Do any of our thoughts or ideas " touch " THIS now? Do they effect > it? > > > Can they refer to anything outside of this-now? -- or can such > ideas > > > only give birth to more ideas, no of which reach anywhere or > touch > > > anything? > > > > > > Joe > > > > Ideas about time can touch time, for time is ideas and thought can > > move around and mold ideas into new configurations. But what will > > happen if the mind says: I am bored with time, I will not use any > > energy on creating time anymore. > > You're assuming there is a thing called " time " separate from an idea > about it. One way to understand stepping out of time is seeing the > empty nature of time -- that it's just an idea and the idea doesn't > make it a fact. > > If you're not identified as anything, if you don't take yourself to > be anything, then how can you be in time? > > Time arises as a result of a belief of a unified 'thing' traveling > from past into future. > > But what will > > happen if the mind says: I am bored with time, I will not use any > > energy on creating time anymore. > > > My mind has said that many times but it never helped much! > > See ya > Joe When the mind says to itself that it is bored with playing with time, I meant that it does so because the mind sees that what it calls time is just a play with its own ideas. And when it sees that as a fact - not as an idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > I am not claiming to have stepped out of time. I don't even know if > it > > is possible, or if possible if such movement really is healthy. > > However, stepping out of time could be a great experiment. At any > > given moment we have ideas about what is important, what is not so > > important and what is not important at all. In the same moment other > > similar ideas goes around in the minds of other persons. For > example, > > " what George W. Bush said about the war today was (1) an important > > statement, (2) a false statement, (3) a not so important statement, > > (4) a good description of the current situation, and so on... " > > > > What is one could step out of the whole game of time? How important > is > > _any_ idea without the concept of time? How unimportant is _any_ > idea > > without the concept of time? What if one could step into the > timeless > > now and behold all ideas, all " what ifs " , as powerless concepts? > > > > /AL > > Hey AL -- > > When you ask about stepping out of time: > > 1. What would step out of time? It cannot be the body... nor can > thought... nor can feelings... > > Could it be " stepping out of time " is referring to an insight that > perhaps " time " as well as " me " are thoughts and ideas that are > arising and dissipating in awareness now? And that my whole life, the > whole world and all it contains also arise as ideas now... > > 2. Can time be known as time without thinking about it? Or does time > arise with thought... comparing a " past " with this present now? > > Do any of our thoughts or ideas " touch " THIS now? Do they effect it? > Can they refer to anything outside of this-now? -- or can such ideas > only give birth to more ideas, no of which reach anywhere or touch > anything? > > Joe Indeed. It's like a self-enclosed loop that can never get out of itself or away from itself, but must endlessly try and assume it can and has. It can only endlessly attempt to replicate itself, moment to moment, in futility. And it can never allow the futility to be fully understood, or its effort would be undermined. It can never allow the knowing that it can't know anything, never has known anything. Its life is a constituted futility that requires ignore-ance for its continuity. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > I am not claiming to have stepped out of time. I don't even know if > > it > > > is possible, or if possible if such movement really is healthy. > > > However, stepping out of time could be a great experiment. At any > > > given moment we have ideas about what is important, what is not so > > > important and what is not important at all. In the same moment other > > > similar ideas goes around in the minds of other persons. For > > example, > > > " what George W. Bush said about the war today was (1) an important > > > statement, (2) a false statement, (3) a not so important statement, > > > (4) a good description of the current situation, and so on... " > > > > > > What is one could step out of the whole game of time? How important > > is > > > _any_ idea without the concept of time? How unimportant is _any_ > > idea > > > without the concept of time? What if one could step into the > > timeless > > > now and behold all ideas, all " what ifs " , as powerless concepts? > > > > > > /AL > > > > Hey AL -- > > > > When you ask about stepping out of time: > > > > 1. What would step out of time? It cannot be the body... nor can > > thought... nor can feelings... > > > > Could it be " stepping out of time " is referring to an insight that > > perhaps " time " as well as " me " are thoughts and ideas that are > > arising and dissipating in awareness now? And that my whole life, the > > whole world and all it contains also arise as ideas now... > > > > 2. Can time be known as time without thinking about it? Or does time > > arise with thought... comparing a " past " with this present now? > > > > Do any of our thoughts or ideas " touch " THIS now? Do they effect it? > > Can they refer to anything outside of this-now? -- or can such ideas > > only give birth to more ideas, no of which reach anywhere or touch > > anything? > > > > Joe > > Ideas about time can touch time, for time is ideas and thought can > move around and mold ideas into new configurations. But what will > happen if the mind says: I am bored with time, I will not use any > energy on creating time anymore. That mind is the boredom, and it's lying to itself to maintain its survival. It's constructing strategies and suppositions. All of which require time, and which keep its 'ignore-ance' of its own non-continuity apparently intact. And all of which keep its meaningless belief that it has a time in which to exist going. The mind which imagines it will stop creating time, as if it has any ability to affect anything. The mind that affects nothing, but has to believe it is endlessly being affected and affecting things, that its decisions about whether or not there is or isn't time are somehow all-important to the status of reality and truth! It's worth a laugh, at least! :-) -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > I am not claiming to have stepped out of time. I don't even know > if > > it > > > is possible, or if possible if such movement really is healthy. > > > However, stepping out of time could be a great experiment. At any > > > given moment we have ideas about what is important, what is not > so > > > important and what is not important at all. In the same moment > other > > > similar ideas goes around in the minds of other persons. For > > example, > > > " what George W. Bush said about the war today was (1) an > important > > > statement, (2) a false statement, (3) a not so important > statement, > > > (4) a good description of the current situation, and so on... " > > > > > > What is one could step out of the whole game of time? How > important > > is > > > _any_ idea without the concept of time? How unimportant is _any_ > > idea > > > without the concept of time? What if one could step into the > > timeless > > > now and behold all ideas, all " what ifs " , as powerless concepts? > > > > > > /AL > > > > Hey AL -- > > > > When you ask about stepping out of time: > > > > 1. What would step out of time? It cannot be the body... nor can > > thought... nor can feelings... > > > > Could it be " stepping out of time " is referring to an insight that > > perhaps " time " as well as " me " are thoughts and ideas that are > > arising and dissipating in awareness now? And that my whole life, > the > > whole world and all it contains also arise as ideas now... > > > > 2. Can time be known as time without thinking about it? Or does > time > > arise with thought... comparing a " past " with this present now? > > > > Do any of our thoughts or ideas " touch " THIS now? Do they effect > it? > > Can they refer to anything outside of this-now? -- or can such > ideas > > only give birth to more ideas, no of which reach anywhere or touch > > anything? > > > > Joe > > Indeed. > > It's like a self-enclosed loop that can never get out > of itself or away from itself, but must endlessly > try and assume it can and has. > > It can only endlessly attempt to replicate itself, > moment to moment, in futility. > > And it can never allow the futility to be fully understood, > or its effort would be undermined. > > It can never allow the knowing that it can't know anything, > never has known anything. > > Its life is a constituted futility that requires > ignore-ance for its continuity. > > -- Dan Yeah. This is part of my aversion to saying anything about this stuff. As soon as something is said, it strikes me as utter bullshit. " I " am exposed moment to moment as a fraud. But I guess as Dainin Katagiri once said: You have to say something! So, nonsense comes out. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > The mind which imagines it will stop creating time, > as if it has any ability to affect anything. > > The mind that affects nothing, but has to believe > it is endlessly being affected and affecting things, > that its decisions about whether or not there is > or isn't time are somehow all-important to the status > of reality and truth! > > It's worth a laugh, at least! > > :-) > > -- Dan Yes, poor thing. :-) Swimming in images in a lake with no water. The clouds drifting by fretting about all the problems they are creating on Earth. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am not claiming to have stepped out of time. I don't even > know > > if > > > it > > > > is possible, or if possible if such movement really is healthy. > > > > However, stepping out of time could be a great experiment. At > any > > > > given moment we have ideas about what is important, what is not > > so > > > > important and what is not important at all. In the same moment > > other > > > > similar ideas goes around in the minds of other persons. For > > > example, > > > > " what George W. Bush said about the war today was (1) an > > important > > > > statement, (2) a false statement, (3) a not so important > > statement, > > > > (4) a good description of the current situation, and so on... " > > > > > > > > What is one could step out of the whole game of time? How > > important > > > is > > > > _any_ idea without the concept of time? How unimportant is > _any_ > > > idea > > > > without the concept of time? What if one could step into the > > > timeless > > > > now and behold all ideas, all " what ifs " , as powerless concepts? > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > Hey AL -- > > > > > > When you ask about stepping out of time: > > > > > > 1. What would step out of time? It cannot be the body... nor can > > > thought... nor can feelings... > > > > > > Could it be " stepping out of time " is referring to an insight > that > > > perhaps " time " as well as " me " are thoughts and ideas that are > > > arising and dissipating in awareness now? And that my whole life, > > the > > > whole world and all it contains also arise as ideas now... > > > > > > 2. Can time be known as time without thinking about it? Or does > > time > > > arise with thought... comparing a " past " with this present now? > > > > > > Do any of our thoughts or ideas " touch " THIS now? Do they effect > > it? > > > Can they refer to anything outside of this-now? -- or can such > > ideas > > > only give birth to more ideas, no of which reach anywhere or > touch > > > anything? > > > > > > Joe > > > > Indeed. > > > > It's like a self-enclosed loop that can never get out > > of itself or away from itself, but must endlessly > > try and assume it can and has. > > > > It can only endlessly attempt to replicate itself, > > moment to moment, in futility. > > > > And it can never allow the futility to be fully understood, > > or its effort would be undermined. > > > > It can never allow the knowing that it can't know anything, > > never has known anything. > > > > Its life is a constituted futility that requires > > ignore-ance for its continuity. > > > > -- Dan > > Yeah. This is part of my aversion to saying anything about this > stuff. As soon as something is said, it strikes me as utter > bullshit. " I " am exposed moment to moment as a fraud. > > But I guess as Dainin Katagiri once said: You have to say something! > > So, nonsense comes out. > > Joe Well, it all depends on how you look at it. It can be an incredibly interesting play, as in " play of light on the water " -- but a human play, too -- in which there's a challenge to say whatever fits exactly the moment as it constitutes and moves on. And with this challenge, the recognition that there's no time to decide what to say or not to say, and no criteria for evaluation. And that the moving on has happened timelessly, before you even could grasp it at all. So, humor is a good thing. And participating this way happens whether one is talking to a homeless person about life on the street, watching T.V., spending time with one's partner, cutting one's toe nails. There's nothing special about " spiritual conversations " with people " interested in nonduality. " There's nothing special even about the human play, as if it were apart from any of the rest of the play. It's all one cloth, interwoven, nothing left out, no exceptions. :-) -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > The mind which imagines it will stop creating time, > > as if it has any ability to affect anything. > > > > The mind that affects nothing, but has to believe > > it is endlessly being affected and affecting things, > > that its decisions about whether or not there is > > or isn't time are somehow all-important to the status > > of reality and truth! > > > > It's worth a laugh, at least! > > > > :-) > > > > -- Dan > > Yes, poor thing. :-) Swimming in images in a lake with no water. The > clouds drifting by fretting about all the problems they are creating > on Earth. > > Joe Yup, there are plenty of fretting clouds. They help add that undertone of anxiety to the full cacophony of the human play! I mean symphony! Cacophony! Symphony! (trying to emulate final scene from " Chinatown " ) -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > I am not claiming to have stepped out of time. I don't even know if it > is possible, or if possible if such movement really is healthy. > However, stepping out of time could be a great experiment. At any > given moment we have ideas about what is important, what is not so > important and what is not important at all. In the same moment other > similar ideas goes around in the minds of other persons. For example, > " what George W. Bush said about the war today was (1) an important > statement, (2) a false statement, (3) a not so important statement, > (4) a good description of the current situation, and so on... " > > What is one could step out of the whole game of time? How important is > _any_ idea without the concept of time? How unimportant is _any_ idea > without the concept of time? What if one could step into the timeless > now and behold all ideas, all " what ifs " , as powerless concepts? > > /AL Time is a concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > There's nothing special about " spiritual conversations " > with people " interested in nonduality. " > > There's nothing special even about the human play, > as if it were apart from any of the rest of the play. > :-) > > -- Dan Yes, I agree. The words that talk about hammering a nail have the same weight as those about nonduality. But, there's so much seriousness invested in these spiritual topics. That's okay too I suppose -- part of the play. Just can't get away from it... The camera follows you off stage too! JOe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " donjuan043 " <nm156p@m...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > I am not claiming to have stepped out of time. I don't even know if > it > > is possible, or if possible if such movement really is healthy. > > However, stepping out of time could be a great experiment. At any > > given moment we have ideas about what is important, what is not so > > important and what is not important at all. In the same moment other > > similar ideas goes around in the minds of other persons. For > example, > > " what George W. Bush said about the war today was (1) an important > > statement, (2) a false statement, (3) a not so important statement, > > (4) a good description of the current situation, and so on... " > > > > What is one could step out of the whole game of time? How important > is > > _any_ idea without the concept of time? How unimportant is _any_ > idea > > without the concept of time? What if one could step into the > timeless > > now and behold all ideas, all " what ifs " , as powerless concepts? > > > > /AL > > > Time is a concept. Concept is a seconlp. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " donjuan043 " <nm156p@m...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > I am not claiming to have stepped out of time. I don't even know if > it > > is possible, or if possible if such movement really is healthy. > > However, stepping out of time could be a great experiment. At any > > given moment we have ideas about what is important, what is not so > > important and what is not important at all. In the same moment other > > similar ideas goes around in the minds of other persons. For > example, > > " what George W. Bush said about the war today was (1) an important > > statement, (2) a false statement, (3) a not so important statement, > > (4) a good description of the current situation, and so on... " > > > > What is one could step out of the whole game of time? How important > is > > _any_ idea without the concept of time? How unimportant is _any_ > idea > > without the concept of time? What if one could step into the > timeless > > now and behold all ideas, all " what ifs " , as powerless concepts? > > > > /AL > > > Time is a concept. If that is true, then is a concept powerful? Can a concept do anything? Can we do anything by personal will without time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The mind which imagines it will stop creating time, > > > as if it has any ability to affect anything. > > > > > > The mind that affects nothing, but has to believe > > > it is endlessly being affected and affecting things, > > > that its decisions about whether or not there is > > > or isn't time are somehow all-important to the status > > > of reality and truth! > > > > > > It's worth a laugh, at least! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Yes, poor thing. :-) Swimming in images in a lake with no water. > The > > clouds drifting by fretting about all the problems they are > creating > > on Earth. > > > > Joe > > Yup, there are plenty of fretting clouds. > > They help add that undertone of anxiety to the full cacophony > of the human play! I mean symphony! Cacophony! > Symphony! (trying to emulate final scene from " Chinatown " ) > > -- Dan this trance is monotonous and boring like German trance music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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