Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The > > > words > > > > > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of > > > what > > > > > the words are attempting to convey. > > > > > > > > > > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it > > > can be > > > > > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words > > > that > > > > > he can use to share that...... > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Hi Toom, > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an > > > > ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are > allowed > > > > to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are > > > > attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It > is not > > > > necessarily so. > > > > > > > > I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I > do not > > > > imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that > can be > > > > used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of > > > > years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is > > > below. > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and > grasses grow > > > > naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. " > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be > > > > instantly perceived by looking at any living plant. > > > > > > > > " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of > what he > > > > means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from > > > imagination. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > I agree that there can be words pointing to that silence, for example > > > consider Matthew 6: > > > > > > " Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat > > > or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more > > > important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at > > > the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, > > > and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more > > > valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to > > > his life? > > > > > > And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field > > > grow. They do not labor or spin. " > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > The last delusion of self...and the most difficlult to see....is the > belief that the supposed self can see beyond its own prison. > > > > For it........the ultimate horror.....is that beyond the imaginary > walls of its kingdom..........there is......nothing. > > > > > > It will recoil at this.......as well it should. > > > > > > toombaru > > Sometimes I get a hint of this nothingness beyond the me, and it is I > admit, scary as hell. I think: " If my relation to the world in the > form of thinking is removed, then what will there be left?! My pride > will run down the drain like a bucket of rain water with a big hole in > the bottom. Without the relation 'me' <-> 'world' can there be any me > at all? " > > /AL Right you are. And it's not just relating through thinking. It's relating through feeling and perceiving, too. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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