Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > ...It is the sink, where the sound disappears ... > > > # > > . > ... > ..... > > Silence does have to talk ...in words, > > ...Silence doesn't have to talk Period. I can see now that I have to explain better what I wanted to express in the first place. I read this sentence by Lewis, directed to someone else: >Do you experience this silence? And as a spontanious reaction I wrote: >THIS silence is not the absence of sound By THIS silence I meant the thoughtless state that I sometimes experience. There is silence that I can hear... maybe this sounds like sick blabla to most of you and I wrote this just in a hope that someone would understand, that it would ring a bell. BTW, this is one reason why I post here from time to time... (just to answer another question that recently came up). Sound and silence is of certain importance to me. Since someone mentioned silence is not a big issue in Buddhism, I would like to say that at least in the Vedics it is. Think of the syllable OM, it is said that everything finally dissolves into OM from where it is also born... a famous mantra goes OM TAT SAT (OM is the key element (TAT) in all existence (SAT)). Yes, thoughts, I know. But maybe a closest possible approach? So I will leave it there. Greetings S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Hi Josesiem and Stefan, As far as I remember that dying from moment to moment K saw as no longer storing any experienc as memory (grabbing, grasping, griping, seizing) and so " the brain stays astonishingly fresh " . He often spoke of living in the " new brain " which is not contaminated by memory in contrast to the " old brain " which is " the storehouse of the past " . Werner Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > ...It is the sink, where the sound disappears ... > > > > > > # > > > > . > > ... > > ..... > > > > Silence does have to talk ...in words, > > > > ...Silence doesn't have to talk Period. > > I can see now that I have to explain better what I wanted to express > in the first place. I read this sentence by Lewis, directed to someone > else: > > >Do you experience this silence? > > And as a spontanious reaction I wrote: > > >THIS silence is not the absence of sound > > By THIS silence I meant the thoughtless state that I sometimes > experience. There is silence that I can hear... maybe this sounds like > sick blabla to most of you and I wrote this just in a hope that > someone would understand, that it would ring a bell. BTW, this is one > reason why I post here from time to time... (just to answer another > question that recently came up). > > Sound and silence is of certain importance to me. Since someone > mentioned silence is not a big issue in Buddhism, I would like to say > that at least in the Vedics it is. Think of the syllable OM, it is > said that everything finally dissolves into OM from where it is also > born... a famous mantra goes OM TAT SAT (OM is the key element (TAT) > in all existence (SAT)). > > Yes, thoughts, I know. But maybe a closest possible approach? > > So I will leave it there. > > Greetings > S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Stefan wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > ...It is the sink, where the sound disappears ... > > > > > > # > > > > . > > ... > > ..... > > > > Silence does have to talk ...in words, > > > > ...Silence doesn't have to talk Period. > > I can see now that I have to explain better what I wanted to express > in the first place. I read this sentence by Lewis, directed to someone > else: > > >Do you experience this silence? > > And as a spontanious reaction I wrote: > > >THIS silence is not the absence of sound > > By THIS silence I meant the thoughtless state that I sometimes > experience. There is silence that I can hear... maybe this sounds like > sick blabla to most of you and I wrote this just in a hope that > someone would understand, that it would ring a bell. BTW, this is one > reason why I post here from time to time... (just to answer another > question that recently came up). > > Sound and silence is of certain importance to me. Since someone > mentioned silence is not a big issue in Buddhism, I would like to say > that at least in the Vedics it is. Think of the syllable OM, it is > said that everything finally dissolves into OM from where it is also > born... a famous mantra goes OM TAT SAT (OM is the key element (TAT) > in all existence (SAT)). > > Yes, thoughts, I know. But maybe a closest possible approach? > > So I will leave it there. > > Greetings > S. Thank you for that experience, Stefan. I too experience " hearing the silence " for me though it is not a hearing but a " sensing of darkeness, " something inpenetrable yet " tangible " in that it I can experience it. It seems that the " silence " is not simply being without thoughts, because whether there are thoughts or not the " silence " remains, that dark quiet " , as the thoughts emerge and go out and then cease. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Josesiem and Stefan, > > As far as I remember that dying from moment to moment K saw as no > longer storing any experienc as memory (grabbing, grasping, griping, > seizing) and so " the brain stays astonishingly fresh " . He often spoke > of living in the " new brain " which is not contaminated by memory in > contrast to the " old brain " which is " the storehouse of the past " . > > Werner Hi Werner -- I can see that in a way. There's no accumulation of experience, unless grasping or aversion occurs. I'm not a big fan of this talk of 'contamination of memory'. I'm thankful for my memory, personally. I'm sure K was too! I think he meant this in reference to the question: can we experience this now without grasping for some explanation -- without a strategy, without anything that we've known. In this approach, there is an innocence and freshness that he often talked about. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Josesiem and Stefan, > > > > As far as I remember that dying from moment to moment K saw as no > > longer storing any experienc as memory (grabbing, grasping, > griping, > > seizing) and so " the brain stays astonishingly fresh " . He often > spoke > > of living in the " new brain " which is not contaminated by memory in > > contrast to the " old brain " which is " the storehouse of the past " . > > > > Werner > > Hi Werner -- > > I can see that in a way. There's no accumulation of experience, > unless grasping or aversion occurs. > > I'm not a big fan of this talk of 'contamination of memory'. I'm > thankful for my memory, personally. I'm sure K was too! > > I think he meant this in reference to the question: can we experience > this now without grasping for some explanation -- without a strategy, > without anything that we've known. In this approach, there is an > innocence and freshness that he often talked about. > > Joe Tar-babies dream of a non-sticky place. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > >Do you experience this silence? > > And as a spontanious reaction I wrote: > > >THIS silence is not the absence of sound > > By THIS silence I meant the thoughtless state that I sometimes > experience. so why do you call it THIS silence, when it's actually THAT silence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > ...It is the sink, where the sound disappears ... > > > > > > # > > > > . > > ... > > ..... > > > > Silence does have to talk ...in words, > > > > ...Silence doesn't have to talk Period. > > I can see now that I have to explain better what I wanted to express > in the first place. I read this sentence by Lewis, directed to someone > else: > > >Do you experience this silence? > > And as a spontanious reaction I wrote: > > >THIS silence is not the absence of sound > > By THIS silence I meant the thoughtless state that I sometimes > experience. There is silence that I can hear... maybe this sounds like > sick blabla to most of you and I wrote this just in a hope that > someone would understand, that it would ring a bell. BTW, this is one > reason why I post here from time to time... (just to answer another > question that recently came up). > > Sound and silence is of certain importance to me. Since someone > mentioned silence is not a big issue in Buddhism, I would like to say > that at least in the Vedics it is. Think of the syllable OM, it is > said that everything finally dissolves into OM from where it is also > born... a famous mantra goes OM TAT SAT (OM is the key element (TAT) > in all existence (SAT)). > > Yes, thoughts, I know. But maybe a closest possible approach? > > So I will leave it there. > > Greetings > S. Thanks, Stefan ! ....I hear sound too. Many, many others hear that too. Doctors recognize it as a medical condition and even treat it. They call it tinnitus. http://www.ata.org/about_tinnitus/consumer/faq.html In some spiritual circles, it is considered a symptom of kundalini awakening. The sound seems like coming from everywhere, as if the entire universe was buzzing, ... But, the kundalini `experts' call it the sound of nadi and coming from ...inside. You can read more about it at : http://www.kundalini-teacher.com/symptoms/voices.html http://www.singingmountain.org/el-collie-signs.html is it similar to what you *HEAR* ? with warm regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Thanks, Stefan ! > > ...I hear sound too. > > Many, many others hear that too. > > Doctors recognize it as a medical condition and even treat it. They > call it tinnitus. Dear Friend, I am well aware of tinnitus and also that physically there is never complete silence. As long as the body functions there is always something being heard. One exception may be complete deafness. No, I am talking of a hearing which is not physical. Therefor I have called it " this " silence (just to answer another question that came up here). Physical hearing is tied to thought because it has to be recognized in order to exist. The sound of one hand clapping can not be recognized, but still it is an issue to some, haha! But I dont want to give the impression that I want to give to those things any special importance. Especially since I am affraid that this will provoke the usual discussions. It is just, that I hope it will sound familiar to some... Greetings S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > Thanks, Stefan ! > > > > ...I hear sound too. > > > > Many, many others hear that too. > > > > Doctors recognize it as a medical condition and even treat it. They > > call it tinnitus. > > Dear Friend, > > I am well aware of tinnitus and also that physically there is never > complete silence. As long as the body functions there is always > something being heard. One exception may be complete deafness. > > No, I am talking of a hearing which is not physical. Therefor I have > called it " this " silence (just to answer another question that came up > here). this doesn't answer my question. my question was: why do you call it " THIS silence " , if it's not something occuring right now, but something that you go into and out of? from time to time. nnb Physical hearing is tied to thought because it has to be > recognized in order to exist. The sound of one hand clapping can not > be recognized, but still it is an issue to some, haha! But I dont want > to give the impression that I want to give to those things any special > importance. Especially since I am affraid that this will provoke the > usual discussions. It is just, that I hope it will sound familiar to > some... > > Greetings > S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > this doesn't answer my question. > > my question was: > > why do you call it " THIS silence " , if it's not something occuring > right now, but something that you go into and out of? > > from time to time. > > > > nnb Yes. It does you. You don't get to have it. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: >this doesn't answer my question. I am sorry. >my question was: > >why do you call it " THIS silence " , if it's not something occuring >right now, but something that you go into and out of? > >from time to time. I dont go there, it just happens. Why I have called it like this? I could have called it " THAT fish " , you would have wondered as well. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > >this doesn't answer my question. > > I am sorry. > > >my question was: > > > >why do you call it " THIS silence " , if it's not something occuring > >right now, but something that you go into and out of? > > > >from time to time. > > I dont go there, it just happens. Why I have called it like this? > I could have called it " THAT fish " , you would have wondered as well. > > S. LOL. Indeed. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > >this doesn't answer my question. > > I am sorry. > > >my question was: > > > >why do you call it " THIS silence " , if it's not something occuring > >right now, but something that you go into and out of? > > > >from time to time. > > I dont go there, it just happens. yeah, and then it doesn't. Why I have called it like this? > I could have called it " THAT fish " , you would have wondered as well. > > S. yeah, and i'd be concerned about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: >>I could have called it " THAT fish " , you would have wondered as well. >yeah, and i'd be concerned about you. So, would you be more concerned than you are already now? Why? What difference does it make for you if I call it " THIS silence " or " THAT fish " ? .... that silent fish ... My impression until now is, that it does not make any difference to you. Now show me, how much you are concerned. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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