Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Hi Josesiem, I am pleased that in some way this topic is interesting for you. Well, it was me who has chosen that word " contamination " , it is not original K. But this idea to let the moment pass, no matter how strong its impression and impact is, without grasping or resistance (aversion) is interesting. But can we let go without a motivation, just letting go without profitting ? Maybe thats what we really could call dying: To let go without a reward or profit. Death also doesn't come to us and says: Hey, if you come with me you will get a chocolate in return. Werner Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Josesiem and Stefan, > > > > As far as I remember that dying from moment to moment K saw as no > > longer storing any experienc as memory (grabbing, grasping, > griping, > > seizing) and so " the brain stays astonishingly fresh " . He often > spoke > > of living in the " new brain " which is not contaminated by memory in > > contrast to the " old brain " which is " the storehouse of the past " . > > > > Werner > > Hi Werner -- > > I can see that in a way. There's no accumulation of experience, > unless grasping or aversion occurs. > > I'm not a big fan of this talk of 'contamination of memory'. I'm > thankful for my memory, personally. I'm sure K was too! > > I think he meant this in reference to the question: can we experience > this now without grasping for some explanation -- without a strategy, > without anything that we've known. In this approach, there is an > innocence and freshness that he often talked about. > > Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Josesiem, > > I am pleased that in some way this topic is interesting for you. > > Well, it was me who has chosen that word " contamination " , it is not > original K. > > But this idea to let the moment pass, no matter how strong its > impression and impact is, without grasping or resistance (aversion) > is interesting. > > But can we let go without a motivation, just letting go without > profitting ? Can a fist let go of itself? toombaru Maybe thats what we really could call dying: To let go > without a reward or profit. Death also doesn't come to us and says: > Hey, if you come with me you will get a chocolate in return. > > Werner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Josesiem, > > I am pleased that in some way this topic is interesting for you. > > Well, it was me who has chosen that word " contamination " , it is not > original K. > > But this idea to let the moment pass, no matter how strong its > impression and impact is, without grasping or resistance (aversion) > is interesting. > > But can we let go without a motivation, just letting go without > profitting ? Maybe thats what we really could call dying: To let go > without a reward or profit. Death also doesn't come to us and says: > Hey, if you come with me you will get a chocolate in return. > > Werner Hi Werner -- In my experience, letting go happens as a result of seeing the futility of grasping and wanting other than whats here. In effect, one has to be free of all strategies, etc. It's a true surrender in that moment. > But this idea to let the moment pass, no matter how strong its > impression and impact is, without grasping or resistance (aversion) > is interesting. It is interesting. Doesn't it strike you as another strategy... another conditioned way to react... I don't feel I can do this. I feel powerless to not grasp or to grasp. I find it happens on its own, and my involvement doesn't help things - the involvement itself feels like contraction. What's your experience in this? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Hi Josesiem, Yes, it was a question I have put to you. And I could follow your answer because I too saw the futility of any intervention or strategies. My experience is that there is nothing I can do, that I am helpless. Similar like you ... Werner Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Josesiem, > > > > I am pleased that in some way this topic is interesting for you. > > > > Well, it was me who has chosen that word " contamination " , it is not > > original K. > > > > But this idea to let the moment pass, no matter how strong its > > impression and impact is, without grasping or resistance (aversion) > > is interesting. > > > > But can we let go without a motivation, just letting go without > > profitting ? Maybe thats what we really could call dying: To let go > > without a reward or profit. Death also doesn't come to us and says: > > Hey, if you come with me you will get a chocolate in return. > > > > Werner > > Hi Werner -- > > In my experience, letting go happens as a result of seeing the > futility of grasping and wanting other than whats here. In effect, > one has to be free of all strategies, etc. It's a true surrender in > that moment. > > > But this idea to let the moment pass, no matter how strong its > > impression and impact is, without grasping or resistance (aversion) > > is interesting. > > It is interesting. Doesn't it strike you as another strategy... > another conditioned way to react... I don't feel I can do this. I > feel powerless to not grasp or to grasp. I find it happens on its > own, and my involvement doesn't help things - the involvement itself > feels like contraction. > > What's your experience in this? > > Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Josesiem, > > Yes, it was a question I have put to you. And I could follow your > answer because I too saw the futility of any intervention or > strategies. My experience is that there is nothing I can do, that I > am helpless. Similar like you ... > > Werner Werner, I'm afraid to tell you........ that is one of the more clever tricks that the self uses to avoid its immediate demise..... When it finds its self close to its own edge.......It pretends to understand its own dilemma.......while maintaining its essential structure........... sorry.............It's never going to " get " This. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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