Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything that you think you do above is no different then the > > actions of other religious zealots. > > > > > > > > Thank you, Toombaru ! > > > > There may not be great harm in being `any' zealot, > > > > It is being a ...BLIND `fanatic' that hurts, > > few very greatly crucial thing that vastly > > differentiate them form what I described above are: > > > > > > > ------------ neutralize a person, who is affecting people's view > > in a `negative' way, ...in my view or who is preventing a genuine, > > honest, open and sincere communicating from happening. > > > > They FAIL to say that it is `their' view. They try to `force' its as > > an ...UNIVERSAL TRUTH. > > > > > > > ------------ Challenge someone to reconsider and reexamine his > > belief and knowledge, if I find a sincere and reasonably intelligent > > person stuck with strong ....what I consider limiting and negative > > belief. > > > > They do NOT ask for re-consideration and re-examination! > > > > They try to force adoption of new belief ...without examination. > > They do NOT encourage `examination', they shun it and try to force > > adaptation. > > > > > > > > > ------------ Say, what you have found to be true of false rather > > than making Final Definitive statements. > > > > > > They do not say and qualify that ... " this is what, I have found > > true " . They Make Final Definitive statements about things. > > > > > > Next time, perhaps, ...you would consider reading and examining it > > before making a blanket comment. > > > > Perhaps, ... > > Perhaps, ... > > Perhaps, ... > > > > With warm regards, > > ac. > > > Do not mind Toom. He has read carefully what you said. But for Toom, in > this moment, there is no doer, no person so what you speak about what > you do is utter nonsense and his response is a lesson for you. Is he a > blind fanatic? I do not know. Ask him if he is a blind fanatic fixated > on something or other and see if it is so. Why assume it? Ask him why he > says these things to discover the many appearances displayed and yours. > > Drink Toom over time, it is a healthy drink. Can you help what you do > ac.? What you outlined above? Toom does as he is and we all drink him > differently but I have found no no harm in his appearance. Maybe you do? > Do you? > > Go to him, embrace him and you will learn much. If you take your goods > with you and you cherish them, they will soon all disappear. As a dead > person, this should not be difficult. Dead people can't hold on to > anything being what they are. > > Lewis Thanks, Lewis. I am not So Much, ...if at all, ...interested in " who " and " what " is volitional or not ! For me, the issue is Very Simple and quite immediate. It is hard, ...almost impossible to have any meaningful conversation unless someone tries to read and understand what is presented and just say any random thing. I am just requesting, ...if Toombaru can do that. It is something like, ...if you want to talk to me, then, please don't talk in Italian. I don't understand Italian. Many quite `common' people, ...easily follow these requests. But, then ... With warm regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything that you think you do above is no different then the > > > actions of other religious zealots. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Toombaru ! > > > > > > There may not be great harm in being `any' zealot, > > > > > > It is being a ...BLIND `fanatic' that hurts, > > > few very greatly crucial thing that vastly > > > differentiate them form what I described above are: > > > > > > > > > > ------------ neutralize a person, who is affecting people's > view > > > in a `negative' way, ...in my view or who is preventing a > genuine, > > > honest, open and sincere communicating from happening. > > > > > > They FAIL to say that it is `their' view. They try to `force' its > as > > > an ...UNIVERSAL TRUTH. > > > > > > > > > > ------------ Challenge someone to reconsider and reexamine his > > > belief and knowledge, if I find a sincere and reasonably > intelligent > > > person stuck with strong ....what I consider limiting and negative > > > belief. > > > > > > They do NOT ask for re-consideration and re-examination! > > > > > > They try to force adoption of new belief ...without examination. > > > They do NOT encourage `examination', they shun it and try to force > > > adaptation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ Say, what you have found to be true of false > rather > > > than making Final Definitive statements. > > > > > > > > > They do not say and qualify that ... " this is what, I have found > > > true " . They Make Final Definitive statements about things. > > > > > > > > > Next time, perhaps, ...you would consider reading and examining it > > > before making a blanket comment. > > > > > > Perhaps, ... > > > Perhaps, ... > > > Perhaps, ... > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > ac. > > > > > > Do not mind Toom. He has read carefully what you said. But for > Toom, in > > this moment, there is no doer, no person so what you speak about > what > > you do is utter nonsense and his response is a lesson for you. Is > he a > > blind fanatic? I do not know. Ask him if he is a blind fanatic > fixated > > on something or other and see if it is so. Why assume it? Ask him > why he > > says these things to discover the many appearances displayed and > yours. > > > > Drink Toom over time, it is a healthy drink. Can you help what you > do > > ac.? What you outlined above? Toom does as he is and we all drink > him > > differently but I have found no no harm in his appearance. Maybe > you do? > > Do you? > > > > Go to him, embrace him and you will learn much. If you take your > goods > > with you and you cherish them, they will soon all disappear. As a > dead > > person, this should not be difficult. Dead people can't hold on to > > anything being what they are. > > > > Lewis > > > Thanks, Lewis. > > I am not So Much, ...if at all, ...interested in " who " and " what " is > volitional or not ! > > For me, the issue is Very Simple and quite immediate. > > > It is hard, ...almost impossible to have any meaningful conversation > unless someone tries to read and understand what is presented and > just say any random thing. > > I am just requesting, ...if Toombaru can do that. > > > It is something like, ...if you want to talk to me, then, please > don't talk in Italian. I don't understand Italian. > > Many quite `common' people, ...easily follow these requests. > > But, then ... > > > > With warm regards, > ac. Hi ac. The simplest form of communication for gaining understanding of the appearances is using questions and answers. To understand something well we need to ask questions of it. The answers lead to more questions and we continue as is required. The answers at first may not fill the question so we ask more questions. There is no telling if the question will be filled or by how much. Toom's responses come to the list. What do his responses mean? His answers seem to ignore what is said, does it not? Every statement is disappeared, obviated, shut down. Now is it not curious that that happens? Does it make you experience something, a perplexity of some kind? For some it is exasperating. Learn his language by questioning. He knows your language as he knew mine, so question. Is there any reason why a dead person needs to be understood by another dead person? It is a matter of realizing that Toom does not budge, that is Toom as it is, at the moment. You must go to him, embrace him and learn what is being shared in that Toombaru way. Ask questions. It is the best way to learn in this conventional reality. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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