Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 ac: Please spend little time and energy in finding out, when, " who " , " how " , " where " is talking of beliefs before making arbitrary, random comments on ...things, people, posts, messages ... Toom: You assume that there is a volitional entity here.......there is not. ac: It will help everybody, dear Toombaru. Toom: I don't care if anyone is helped. .. .... ...... Dear Toom, Please remember and `re read', that all I am requesting is, to ...please read and pay attention to what is being talked in stead of just throwing out words ...at random. ....and, you seem to be saying that you have NO Power to do so. >>>>Only help, I am asking is to ...keep the communication, possibly ...on topic and meaningful. You seem to be saying, that ....you do NOT even care. Is that " really " true, Toom? is this what you want `me' and ...and possibly, others to *SEE* you as: ....somebody who has No ability to try to read and understand what is said. and, somebody who does NOT care if he is talking irrelevant, ...and if he is just harming any meaningful communication, just spamming or Not ? is this how you want `me' and possibly `others' to view and ...'treat' you as ? With warm regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > ac: Please spend little time and energy in finding out, > when, " who " , " how " , " where " is talking of beliefs before making > arbitrary, random comments on ...things, people, posts, messages ... > > Toom: You assume that there is a volitional entity here.......there > is not. > > > ac: It will help everybody, dear Toombaru. > > > Toom: I don't care if anyone is helped. > > . > ... > ..... > > Dear Toom, > > Please remember and `re read', that all I am requesting is, > to ...please read and pay attention to what is being talked in stead > of just throwing out words ...at random. > > ...and, you seem to be saying that you have NO Power to do so. > > >>>>Only help, I am asking is to ...keep the communication, > possibly ...on topic and meaningful. > > You seem to be saying, that ....you do NOT even care. > > > Is that " really " true, Toom? > > is this what you want `me' and ...and possibly, others to *SEE* you > as: > > ...somebody who has No ability to try to read and understand what is > said. > and, somebody who does NOT care if he is talking irrelevant, ...and > if he is just harming any meaningful communication, just spamming or > Not ? > > > is this how you want `me' and possibly `others' to view > and ...'treat' you as ? as an ------- UNCARING Spammer ------- Are, you really that ? ....and, you do NOT Care ! > > > With warm regards, > ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > ac: Please spend little time and energy in finding out, > when, " who " , " how " , " where " is talking of beliefs before making > arbitrary, random comments on ...things, people, posts, messages ... > > Toom: You assume that there is a volitional entity here.......there > is not. > > > ac: It will help everybody, dear Toombaru. > > > Toom: I don't care if anyone is helped. > > . > ... > ..... > > Dear Toom, > > Please remember and `re read', that all I am requesting is, > to ...please read and pay attention to what is being talked in stead > of just throwing out words ...at random. > > ...and, you seem to be saying that you have NO Power to do so. > > >>>>Only help, I am asking is to ...keep the communication, > possibly ...on topic and meaningful. > > You seem to be saying, that ....you do NOT even care. Some time ago....I fell in love with a guru......He left me nothing to hold on to........ One day....while falling....I asked him....jokingly.;...if he was trying to kill me...... He looked me right in the I.....and said....... " yes " . > > > Is that " really " true, Toom? > > is this what you want `me' and ...and possibly, others to *SEE* you > as: Do you really care what " others " think of you? > > ...somebody who has No ability to try to read and understand what is > said. Do you " understand " what is said? > and, somebody who does NOT care if he is talking irrelevant, ...and > if he is just harming any meaningful communication, just spamming or > Not ? Talking Is Spamming > > > is this how you want `me' and possibly `others' to view > and ...'treat' you as ? I don't care. To me.........you are squiggly little lines...that stir up the sediment....I like to play in the current......... You are thought of..... as merely an extension of my self....... In that context......I adore you.....:-) toombaru > > > With warm regards, > ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > ac: Please spend little time and energy in finding out, > > when, " who " , " how " , " where " is talking of beliefs before making > > arbitrary, random comments on ...things, people, posts, messages ... > > > > Toom: You assume that there is a volitional entity here.......there > > is not. > > > > > > ac: It will help everybody, dear Toombaru. > > > > > > Toom: I don't care if anyone is helped. > > > > . > > ... > > ..... > > > > Dear Toom, > > > > Please remember and `re read', that all I am requesting is, > > to ...please read and pay attention to what is being talked in stead > > of just throwing out words ...at random. > > > > ...and, you seem to be saying that you have NO Power to do so. > > > > >>>>Only help, I am asking is to ...keep the communication, > > possibly ...on topic and meaningful. > > > > You seem to be saying, that ....you do NOT even care. > > > > > > Some time ago....I fell in love with a guru......He left me nothing to hold on > to........ > > > One day....while falling....I asked him....jokingly.;...if he was trying to kill > me...... > > > > > > He looked me right in the I.....and said....... " yes " . > > > > > > > > > > Is that " really " true, Toom? > > > > is this what you want `me' and ...and possibly, others to *SEE* you > > as: > > > Do you really care what " others " think of you? > > > > > > > ...somebody who has No ability to try to read and understand what is > > said. > > > Do you " understand " what is said? > > > > > > and, somebody who does NOT care if he is talking irrelevant, ...and > > if he is just harming any meaningful communication, just spamming or > > Not ? > > > Talking Is Spamming > > > > > > > > > > is this how you want `me' and possibly `others' to view > > and ...'treat' you as ? > > > > > I don't care. To me.........you are squiggly little lines...that stir up the sediment....I like to > play in the current......... > > You are thought of..... as merely an extension of my self....... > > > > In that context......I adore you.....:-) > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > With warm regards, ac. You are.....even now ........looking over the edge...into the abyss........ You couldn't go back...even if you wanted to. This......is what you asked for. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 ------------------------------- Some time ago....I fell in love with a guru......He left me nothing to hold on to........ One day....while falling....I asked him....jokingly.;...if he was trying to kill me...... He looked me right in the I.....and said....... " yes " . Perhaps, Luckily, I don't care too much any guru other than: THIS , ....what is at ...This Moment. As in a list and message, ...What is being discussed. -------- Do you really care what " others " think of you? ------- Yes, if they ask me to read what they write before responding. If they ask me to communicate in way they can understand and relate to ... I try to do that. ----------- > ...somebody who has No ability to try to read and understand what is said. Do you " understand " what is said? ------------- I certainly try. ....and, many times, I do really understand as apparent by good `comprehension test' scores. ------------ Talking Is Spamming --------------- ....again, it might be a matter of using a `different' dictionary, something easily corrected .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 ------------- You are.....even now ........looking over the edge...into the abyss........ You couldn't go back...even if you wanted to. This......is what you asked for. ----------- ....I am fine just discussing mangoes and apples, ...when, I am discussing ...mangoes and apples. I do NOT have to ...just discuss and say something about `abyss' or something else, I find `interesting' no matter what the topic or subject of discussion is .... When, I discuss ...'abyss', ...I will discuss ...abyss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > ------------- > > You are.....even now ........looking over the edge...into the > abyss........ > > > You couldn't go back...even if you wanted to. > > > This......is what you asked for. > > > ----------- > > ...I am fine just discussing mangoes and apples, ...when, I am > discussing ...mangoes and apples. > > I do NOT have to ...just discuss and say something about `abyss' or > something else, I find `interesting' no matter what the topic or > subject of discussion is .... > > > When, I discuss ...'abyss', ...I will discuss ...abyss. Hey ... that's pretty good ... I see .... you are learning Toomerese ... there was a turtle that learned Toomerese ... it peered into the abyss ... and saw an eagle peering back ... You will find when the eagle comes for you ... It will have familiar talons ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > ------------- > > > > You are.....even now ........looking over the edge...into the > > abyss........ > > > > > > You couldn't go back...even if you wanted to. > > > > > > This......is what you asked for. > > > > > > ----------- > > > > ...I am fine just discussing mangoes and apples, ...when, I am > > discussing ...mangoes and apples. > > > > I do NOT have to ...just discuss and say something about `abyss' > or > > something else, I find `interesting' no matter what the topic or > > subject of discussion is .... > > > > > > When, I discuss ...'abyss', ...I will discuss ...abyss. > > Hey ... that's pretty good ... > > I see .... you are learning Toomerese ... > > there was a turtle that learned Toomerese ... > > it peered into the abyss ... and saw an eagle peering back ... > > You will find when the eagle comes for you ... > > It will have familiar talons ... Or you can alter your appearance (words) and come as an eagle chick and be fed what the eagle has to give. Or you can alter your appearance (words) and become an eagle so that there is a common species. Or your appearance (words) can remain as prey and will be captured, pecked, shredded, eaten digested and eliminated. Or your appearance (words) can fly or swim elsewhere. Since you are I am (not words), then like Krishna showing Arjuna in the chariot his infinite appearances, why limit to one appearance, limit to one? From the Bhagavadgita http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/ANCINDIA/GITA.HTM Krishna’s Totality Arjuna In consequence of the excellent and mysterious words concerning the relation of the supreme and individual soul, which you have spoken for my welfare, this delusion of mine is gone away. O you whose eyes are like lotus leaves, I have heard from you at large about the production and dissolution of things and also about your inexhaustible greatness. O highest lord, what you have said about yourself is true. I wish, O best of beings, to see your divine form. If, O lord, you think that it is possible for me to look upon it, then, O lord of the possessors of mystic power, show your inexhaustible form to me. Krishna See my forms in their hundreds and their thousands, O son of Pritha, various, divine, and of various colours and shapes. See the Adityas, Vasus, Rudras, the two Ashvins, and Maruts likewise. 1 And, O descendant of Bharata, see wonders in numbers unseen before. Within my body, Arjuna, see today the whole universe, including everything movable and immovable, all in one, and whatever else you wish to see. But you will not be able to see me with merely this eye of yours. I give you an eye divine. Now see my divine power. Sanjaya Having spoken thus, O king, Krishna, the great lord of the possessors of mystic power, then showed to the son of Pritha his supreme divine form, having many mouths and eyes, having within it many wonderful sights, having many celestial ornaments, having many celestial weapons held erect, wearing celestial flowers and vestments, anointed with celestial perfumes, full of every wonder, the infinite deity with faces in all directions. If in the heavens, the brightness of a thousand suns burst forth all at once, that would be like the brightness of that mighty one. There the son of Pandu then observed in the body of the god of gods the whole universe all in one, and divided into numerous divisions. Then Arjuna was filled with amazement, and with hair standing on end, bowed his head before the god, and spoke with joined hands. Arjuna O god! I see within your body the gods, as also all the groups of various beings; and the lord Brahman seated on his lotus seat, and all the sages and celestial snakes. I see you, who are of countless forms, possessed of many arms, stomachs, mouths, and eyes on all sides. And, O lord of the universe, O you of all forms, I do not see your end or middle or beginning. I see you bearing a crown and a mace and a battle-discus (chakra)—a mass of glory, brilliant on all sides, difficult to look at, having on all sides the brightness of a blazing fire or sun, and indefinable. You are indestructible, the supreme one to be known. You are the highest support of this universe. You are the inexhaustible protector of everlasting devotion. I believe you to be the eternal being. I see you without of beginning, middle, end—of infinite power, of unnumbered arms, having the sun and moon for eyes, having a mouth like a blazing fire, and heating the universe with your radiance. For this space between heaven and earth and ail the quarters are pervaded by you alone. Looking at this wonderful and terrible form of yours, O high-souled one, the three worlds are filled with fear. For here these groups of gods are entering into you. Some being afraid are praying with joined hands, and the groups of great sages and Siddhas are saying 'Mercy!' and praising you with abundant hymns of praise. The Rudras, and Adityas, the Vasus, the Sadhyas, the Vishvas, the two Ashvins, the Maruts, and the Ushmapas, and the groups of Gandharvas, Yakshas, demons, and Siddhas are all looking at you amazed. 6 Seeing your mighty form, with many mouths and eyes, with many arms, thighs, and feet, with many stomachs, and fearful with many jaws, all people, and I likewise, are much alarmed, O you of mighty arms! Seeing you, O Vishnu, touching the skies, radiant, possessed of many hues, with a gaping mouth, and with large blazing eyes, I am much alarmed in my inmost self, and feel no courage, no tranquillity. And seeing your mouths terrible by the jaws, and resembling the fire of destruction, I cannot recognize the various directions, I feel no comfort. Be gracious, O lord of gods, who pervades the universe. All these sons of Dhritarashtra, together with all the bands of kings, and Bhlshma and Drona, and this charioteer's son likewise, together with our principal warriors also, are rapidly entering your mouths, fearful and horrific because of your jaws. And some with their heads smashed are seen to be stuck in the spaces between the teeth. As the many rapid currents of a river's waters run towards the sea alone, so do these heroes of the human world enter your mouths blazing all round. As butterflies, with increased speed, enter a blazing fire to their destruction, so, too, do these people enter your mouths with increased speed only to their destruction. Swallowing all these people, you are licking them over and over again from all sides, with your blazing mouths. Your fierce splendous, O Vishnu, filling the whole universe with their brightness, are heating it. Tell me who you are in this fierce form. Greetings to you, O chief of the gods! Be gracious. I wish to know you, the primeval one, for I do not understand your actions. Krishna I am death, the destroyer of the worlds. I am now active about the overthrow of the worlds. Even without you, the warriors standing in the adverse hosts shall all cease to be. Therefore, rise up, obtain glory, and vanquishing your foes, enjoy a prosperous kingdom. All these have been already killed by me. Be only the instrument of their deaths, Arjuna! Drona, and Bhishma, and Gayadratha, and Karna, and likewise other valiant warriors also, whom I have already killed, now you must kill. Be not alarmed. Do right. And in the battle you will conquer your foes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > ------------- > > > > You are.....even now ........looking over the edge...into the > > abyss........ > > > > > > You couldn't go back...even if you wanted to. > > > > > > This......is what you asked for. > > > > > > ----------- > > > > ...I am fine just discussing mangoes and apples, ...when, I am > > discussing ...mangoes and apples. > > > > I do NOT have to ...just discuss and say something about `abyss' > or > > something else, I find `interesting' no matter what the topic or > > subject of discussion is .... > > > > > > When, I discuss ...'abyss', ...I will discuss ...abyss. > > Hey ... that's pretty good ... > > I see .... you are learning Toomerese ... > > there was a turtle that learned Toomerese ... > > it peered into the abyss ... and saw an eagle peering back ... > > You will find when the eagle comes for you ... > > It will have familiar talons ... this is bullshit, Dan. not what you said, but the tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > You are.....even now ........looking over the edge...into the > > > abyss........ > > > > > > > > > You couldn't go back...even if you wanted to. > > > > > > > > > This......is what you asked for. > > > > > > > > > ----------- > > > > > > ...I am fine just discussing mangoes and apples, ...when, I am > > > discussing ...mangoes and apples. > > > > > > I do NOT have to ...just discuss and say something about `abyss' > > or > > > something else, I find `interesting' no matter what the topic or > > > subject of discussion is .... > > > > > > > > > When, I discuss ...'abyss', ...I will discuss ...abyss. > > > > Hey ... that's pretty good ... > > > > I see .... you are learning Toomerese ... > > > > there was a turtle that learned Toomerese ... > > > > it peered into the abyss ... and saw an eagle peering back ... > > > > You will find when the eagle comes for you ... > > > > It will have familiar talons ... > > > this is bullshit, Dan. > > not what you said, but the tone. You may have taken this a bit too seriously, Dabo. It's an attempt at Toomerese. I haven't perfected it yet. But thanks for the constructive criticism. All opinions welcome! Although with the caveat that opinions are generally for the holder of the opinion. :-) -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > You are.....even now ........looking over the edge...into the > > > > abyss........ > > > > > > > > > > > > You couldn't go back...even if you wanted to. > > > > > > > > > > > > This......is what you asked for. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > ...I am fine just discussing mangoes and apples, ...when, I am > > > > discussing ...mangoes and apples. > > > > > > > > I do NOT have to ...just discuss and say something about > `abyss' > > > or > > > > something else, I find `interesting' no matter what the topic > or > > > > subject of discussion is .... > > > > > > > > > > > > When, I discuss ...'abyss', ...I will discuss ...abyss. > > > > > > Hey ... that's pretty good ... > > > > > > I see .... you are learning Toomerese ... > > > > > > there was a turtle that learned Toomerese ... > > > > > > it peered into the abyss ... and saw an eagle peering back ... > > > > > > You will find when the eagle comes for you ... > > > > > > It will have familiar talons ... > > > > > > this is bullshit, Dan. > > > > not what you said, but the tone. > > You may have taken this a bit too seriously, Dabo. > > It's an attempt at Toomerese. > > I haven't perfected it yet. yeah, you suck at it. and btw, Arvind knows the fine art of deep..... silence.... pauses..... long before he met Toom. > But thanks for the constructive criticism. > > All opinions welcome! > > Although with the caveat that opinions > are generally for the holder of the opinion. > > :-) > > -- Dan well, i thought it had an " eat your heart out! " feel to it. i guess you've been hanging out with Judi too much lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > You may have taken this a bit too seriously, Dabo. > > It's an attempt at Toomerese. > > I haven't perfected it yet. > > But thanks for the constructive criticism. > > All opinions welcome! > > Although with the caveat that opinions > are generally for the holder of the opinion. > > :-) > > -- Dan Toomerese is pretty easy to learn. He mastered it from Sandeep. The key to toomerese is lots of ....... and then all lowercase typing too. Then, of course, one must take a fuck it all attitude toward everything. The advaita shuffle is also a common motif. One can study the video of Cohen vs. Gangaji for a good introduction. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > You may have taken this a bit too seriously, Dabo. > > > > It's an attempt at Toomerese. > > > > I haven't perfected it yet. > > > > But thanks for the constructive criticism. > > > > All opinions welcome! > > > > Although with the caveat that opinions > > are generally for the holder of the opinion. > > > > :-) > > > > -- Dan > > Toomerese is pretty easy to learn. He mastered it from Sandeep. The > key to toomerese is lots of ....... and then all lowercase typing too. > > Then, of course, one must take a fuck it all attitude toward > everything. The advaita shuffle is also a common motif. One can study > the video of Cohen vs. Gangaji for a good introduction. > > Joe if you think Sandeep has a " fuck it all " attitude, i think you're mistaken, Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You may have taken this a bit too seriously, Dabo. > > > > > > It's an attempt at Toomerese. > > > > > > I haven't perfected it yet. > > > > > > But thanks for the constructive criticism. > > > > > > All opinions welcome! > > > > > > Although with the caveat that opinions > > > are generally for the holder of the opinion. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Toomerese is pretty easy to learn. He mastered it from Sandeep. The > > key to toomerese is lots of ....... and then all lowercase typing > too. > > > > Then, of course, one must take a fuck it all attitude toward > > everything. The advaita shuffle is also a common motif. One can > study > > the video of Cohen vs. Gangaji for a good introduction. > > > > Joe > > > if you think Sandeep has a " fuck it all " attitude, i think you're > mistaken, Joe. I'd say the fuck it all attitude is a Toomer addition. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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