Digest Number 1660

February 2, 2005

Our vocal language has a Dualistic nature, it's

still fun to point out the limitations, confirming what is True. This very

moment,without a story,Pure Awareness. " I AM " Emanuel

Nisargadatta wrote:

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Another thing,

" josesiem "

2. Re: Sound and Silence

" josesiem "

3. Re: FIRST question. / Dabo?

" adithya_comming "

4. Re: Another thing,

" adithya_comming "

5. Re: FIRST question. / who is ....Toom?

" dabo_now "

6. Re: What is ...Sin?

" anders_lindman "

7. Re: What is ...Sin?

" Werner Woehr "

8. Re: What is ...Sin?

" anders_lindman "

9. Re: Why anger, fear, ...feel BAD in the Body ?

" anders_lindman "

10. Re: Another thing,

" josesiem "

11. Hello Group

" Keith Johnson "

12. Re: FIRST question. / who is ....Toom?

" josesiem "

13. Re: Sound and Silence

" dabo_now "

14. Re: What is ...Sin?

" Werner Woehr "

15. Re: What is ...Sin?

" josesiem "

16. No separation

" anders_lindman "

17. Re: Hello Group

" josesiem "

18. Re: No separation / thanks al

" josesiem "

19. Re: Hello Group

" anders_lindman "

20. Re: What is ...Sin?

" anders_lindman "

21. Re: What is ...Sin?

" anders_lindman "

22. Re: What is ...Sin?

" josesiem "

23. Re: No separation / thanks al

" anders_lindman "

24. Re: What is ...Sin?

" anders_lindman "

25. Re: Sound and Silence

" Stefan "

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Message: 1

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:18:55 -0000

" josesiem "

Re: Another thing,

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > wrote:

> >

> > > I AM

> > >

> > > ...is that a belief, dear Toom?

> >

> > Yes, it is.

>

> NO.

>

> It is Not.

>

> >

> > And a misunderstanding as well.

>

> NO.

>

> >

> > Discover where it has nothing to say

> > to itself about itself, where it is

> > not an it, and no am nor where is involved.

>

> I AM

>

> .....is THAT.

What is this nonsense, AC?

Joe

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Message: 2

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:15:53 -0000

" josesiem "

Re: Sound and Silence

Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dabo_now "

wrote:

>

> >this doesn't answer my question.

>

> I am sorry.

>

> >my question was:

> >

> >why do you call it " THIS silence " , if it's not something occuring

> >right now, but something that you go into and out of?

> >

> >from time to time.

>

> I dont go there, it just happens. Why I have called it like this?

> I could have called it " THAT fish " , you would have wondered as well.

>

> S.

LOL. Indeed.

Joe

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Message: 3

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:27:25 -0000

" adithya_comming "

Re: FIRST question. / Dabo?

[.....]

>

> this is bullshit, .....

>

> not what you said, but the tone.

Did you watch I, Robot, movie, Dabo ?

In that, Will Smith says:

I must be a malfunctioning human being.

because, your machines tend to suddenly `malfunction' around me !!!!

..

....

.....

Do I need say More ?

....but, aren't You Smart !!!

With warm regards,

ac.

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Message: 4

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:28:29 -0000

" adithya_comming "

Re: Another thing,

Nisargadatta , " josesiem " wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > I AM

> > > >

> > > > ...is that a belief, dear Toom?

> > >

> > > Yes, it is.

> >

> > NO.

> >

> > It is Not.

> >

> > >

> > > And a misunderstanding as well.

> >

> > NO.

> >

> > >

> > > Discover where it has nothing to say

> > > to itself about itself, where it is

> > > not an it, and no am nor where is involved.

> >

> > I AM

> >

> > .....is THAT.

>

> What is this nonsense, AC?

>

> Joe

Exactly " what " is Nonsense, Here, Joe.

What it should have been?

With warm regards,

ac.

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Message: 5

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:29:20 -0000

" dabo_now "

Re: FIRST question. / who is ....Toom?

Nisargadatta , " josesiem " wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> wrote:

>

> >

> > You may have taken this a bit too seriously, Dabo.

> >

> > It's an attempt at Toomerese.

> >

> > I haven't perfected it yet.

> >

> > But thanks for the constructive criticism.

> >

> > All opinions welcome!

> >

> > Although with the caveat that opinions

> > are generally for the holder of the opinion.

> >

> > :-)

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> Toomerese is pretty easy to learn. He mastered it from Sandeep. The

> key to toomerese is lots of ....... and then all lowercase typing

too.

>

> Then, of course, one must take a fuck it all attitude toward

> everything. The advaita shuffle is also a common motif. One can

study

> the video of Cohen vs. Gangaji for a good introduction.

>

> Joe

if you think Sandeep has a " fuck it all " attitude, i think you're

mistaken, Joe.

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Message: 6

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:31:28 -0000

" anders_lindman "

Re: What is ...Sin?

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

wrote:

>

> What is ...Sin?

I am glad you asked since I can explain what sin is. Humanity is born

in sin; that much the Bible has it correct. But what sin is, only the

rare mystic Christian knows. Sin is the idea of separation from God,

and God is everything. The devil is the idea of separation. Jesus was

tempted by the deving while walking in the desert; the devil told

Jesus: " Follow my advice and you will be powerful " . To follow the

advice to act as a separate entity is sin.

/AL

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Message: 7

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:35:22 -0000

" Werner Woehr "

Re: What is ...Sin?

Hi Adithya,

The origin of the word sin means " separation, that which separates " .

In Swedish the word " sund " means a valley filled with water between

hills or mountains. In German that word sin is similar: " Suende " .

The religious meaning originally was " that what separates from God "

but later became a moral catalog which mainly was used to oppress and

exploit the followers. And so the word sin more and more became

synonymous with neurosis.

Werner

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

wrote:

>

> What is ...Sin?

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Message: 8

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:40:16 -0000

" anders_lindman "

Re: What is ...Sin?

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " wrote:

>

> Hi Adithya,

>

> The origin of the word sin means " separation, that which separates " .

>

> In Swedish the word " sund " means a valley filled with water between

> hills or mountains. In German that word sin is similar: " Suende " .

>

> The religious meaning originally was " that what separates from God "

> but later became a moral catalog which mainly was used to oppress and

> exploit the followers. And so the word sin more and more became

> synonymous with neurosis.

>

> Werner

Wow! Then my explanation was correct, even from a historical

perspective. I am almost enlightened!

/AL

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> wrote:

> >

> > What is ...Sin?

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Message: 9

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:45:03 -0000

" anders_lindman "

Re: Why anger, fear, ...feel BAD in the Body ?

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

wrote:

>

> Why anger, fear, ...feel BAD in the Body ?

Good question. Let me answer it swiftly thusly: fear is born out of

sin, and as we all know - fear leads to anger - anger leads to hate -

hate leads to suffering...

/AL

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Message: 10

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:49:15 -0000

" josesiem "

Re: Another thing,

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

wrote:

>

> > >

> > > I AM

> > >

> > > .....is THAT.

> >

> > What is this nonsense, AC?

> >

> > Joe

>

> Exactly " what " is Nonsense, Here, Joe.

Oh, nothing, I'm just in a mood to stir shit up. :-)

>

> What it should have been?

" I love eggs. "

>

> With warm regards,

> ac.

Warmth back at you,

Uncle Huevo (an actual nickname for me)

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Message: 11

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:49:20 -0000

" Keith Johnson "

Hello Group

Dear Devotees: I just joined this group today. Namaste. I believe,

after many years of study, prayer and meditation, that the goal of

life is self-realization. This is per the writings of Yogananada,

Yukteswar, Krishnanada, and HH Swami Sivananda, among others. The

greatest discovery I have made along the way is the OM syllable, as

a direct path the self-knowledge and realization. However, as a

Westerner, this has created a divide in my mind, since I come from

Christian roots. Utilizing I AM seems facinating, as this was both

the declaration of God to Moses in the Bible Old Testament, and also

Jesus in the New Testament, so I AM provides me a way to unify

Vedanta and my Christian roots in quest for Self-Realization.

Comments welcome. Best Wishes to all devotees, Charity, Keith

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Message: 12

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:50:04 -0000

" josesiem "

Re: FIRST question. / who is ....Toom?

Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " josesiem "

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > You may have taken this a bit too seriously, Dabo.

> > >

> > > It's an attempt at Toomerese.

> > >

> > > I haven't perfected it yet.

> > >

> > > But thanks for the constructive criticism.

> > >

> > > All opinions welcome!

> > >

> > > Although with the caveat that opinions

> > > are generally for the holder of the opinion.

> > >

> > > :-)

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> > Toomerese is pretty easy to learn. He mastered it from Sandeep.

The

> > key to toomerese is lots of ....... and then all lowercase typing

> too.

> >

> > Then, of course, one must take a fuck it all attitude toward

> > everything. The advaita shuffle is also a common motif. One can

> study

> > the video of Cohen vs. Gangaji for a good introduction.

> >

> > Joe

>

> if you think Sandeep has a " fuck it all " attitude, i think you're

> mistaken, Joe.

I'd say the fuck it all attitude is a Toomer addition.

Joe

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Message: 13

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:49:03 -0000

" dabo_now "

Re: Sound and Silence

Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dabo_now "

wrote:

>

> >this doesn't answer my question.

>

> I am sorry.

>

> >my question was:

> >

> >why do you call it " THIS silence " , if it's not something occuring

> >right now, but something that you go into and out of?

> >

> >from time to time.

>

> I dont go there, it just happens.

yeah, and then it doesn't.

Why I have called it like this?

> I could have called it " THAT fish " , you would have wondered as well.

>

> S.

yeah, and i'd be concerned about you.

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Message: 14

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:51:59 -0000

" Werner Woehr "

Re: What is ...Sin?

Hi Anders,

I knew that you steadily are checking yourself for the first signs of

enligthtenment

Werner

Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

wrote:

> >

> > Hi Adithya,

> >

> > The origin of the word sin means " separation, that which

separates " .

> >

> > In Swedish the word " sund " means a valley filled with water

between

> > hills or mountains. In German that word sin is similar: " Suende " .

> >

> > The religious meaning originally was " that what separates from

God "

> > but later became a moral catalog which mainly was used to oppress

and

> > exploit the followers. And so the word sin more and more became

> > synonymous with neurosis.

> >

> > Werner

>

> Wow! Then my explanation was correct, even from a historical

> perspective. I am almost enlightened!

>

> /AL

>

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > What is ...Sin?

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Message: 15

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:52:03 -0000

" josesiem "

Re: What is ...Sin?

Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> wrote:

> >

> > What is ...Sin?

>

> I am glad you asked since I can explain what sin is.

LOL! Uh oh...

AL has mounted the podium.

:-)

Joe

Humanity is born

> in sin; that much the Bible has it correct. But what sin is, only

the

> rare mystic Christian knows. Sin is the idea of separation from God,

> and God is everything. The devil is the idea of separation. Jesus

was

> tempted by the deving while walking in the desert; the devil told

> Jesus: " Follow my advice and you will be powerful " . To follow the

> advice to act as a separate entity is sin.

>

> /AL

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Message: 16

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:55:25 -0000

" anders_lindman "

No separation

Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a state of no

separation while living in the phenomenal world of separation. So if

you think you are a sage and still live as a separate person in

thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a sage yet.

Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as someone who

understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he or she knows

that there is no such thing as a sage.

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Message: 17

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:56:51 -0000

" josesiem "

Re: Hello Group

Nisargadatta , " Keith Johnson "

wrote:

>

> Dear Devotees: I just joined this group today. Namaste. I believe,

> after many years of study, prayer and meditation, that the goal of

> life is self-realization. This is per the writings of Yogananada,

> Yukteswar, Krishnanada, and HH Swami Sivananda, among others. The

> greatest discovery I have made along the way is the OM syllable, as

> a direct path the self-knowledge and realization. However, as a

> Westerner, this has created a divide in my mind, since I come from

> Christian roots. Utilizing I AM seems facinating, as this was both

> the declaration of God to Moses in the Bible Old Testament, and

also

> Jesus in the New Testament, so I AM provides me a way to unify

> Vedanta and my Christian roots in quest for Self-Realization.

> Comments welcome. Best Wishes to all devotees, Charity, Keith

Welcome, Pardner.

Unload all them (heavy) saddle bags and stay awhile.

The Welcoming Committee

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Message: 18

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:59:18 -0000

" josesiem "

Re: No separation / thanks al

Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

wrote:

>

> Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a state of no

> separation while living in the phenomenal world of separation. So if

> you think you are a sage and still live as a separate person in

> thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a sage yet.

> Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as someone who

> understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he or she

knows

> that there is no such thing as a sage.

Thank you for that public service announcement, AL.

Many sages were also adamant about not washing their hair and bodies

for years and living in caves eating nettles and beetles.

Joe

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Message: 19

Wed, 02 Feb 2005 18:05:02 -0000