Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has > experienced his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated > mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world > of memories....... > > > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that into > a reasonalbe package) > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > those replies. > Oh Diana... You better sit down.............I guess it's time to tell you... I'm afraid that you have all signed a lifetime...irrevocable contract with the devil.........(which I assume that you have figured out by now....is your self), You have placed all of your baggage and worldly possessions on the bullet train..... Next stop.......................Chernobyl. Does that sound nhilistic? How about calling it............... " Realistic Meallistic Nihilism " ? Is that easier to swallow? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 This is a barren land Pete...nothing lives here.......no train leaves this station.......It is the horror of delusional separation..the realistic fear of impending doom......There is no way to sweeten it......You will never reach a place that never was........... Only palliative care is offered here......... I'm sorry.......your dreams of autonomy.........are only dreams...... Hey....but isn't that a hoot? toombaru ------------------------- reply to: >It is the horror of delusional separation..the realistic fear of impending doom...... help!!!!! putting delusion and reality in the same sentence is an oxymoron in this case isn't it? To suggest that *it's* a hoot would indicate that you are being entertained....by a game perhaps???? Oh, I forgot, you don't adhere to games. and yet you continue to play. I'm just waiting for my prozac to kick in and maybe that will make some sense of these statements a little better. lol. ~G. --------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > Hi Diana and Pete! > > <S> > > But consider he is actually right: > There is no one there. > Only an answering machine > programmed to search > every received message > for a positive statement, > negating it, and send it back. > Or every now and then, automatically > returning a nondual statement > from a pre prepared list > and add it to the recieved mail, like: > " There is a bird in a bottle " > " show me the bird " > " mind is mind " etc > > That make sense? ;-) > > Tom > If you consider that he is actually right, then there would be no such thing as an " advaita shuffle " , nor a person who could be taken to task for doing this shuffle. freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > > > > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > > > <cptc@w...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you bring the egg and goose to me..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will show you what to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > > > > > It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then > > attemps > > > > to solve it. > > > > > > > > > > It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > > > > > There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > > > > > The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ > > eggs > > > > and bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > > > and yet......... > > > > > > > > you continue................. > > > > > > > > to play................ > > > > > > > > and yet........... > > > > > > > > you continue............. > > > > > > > > to deny that you are............ > > > > > > > > I guess only you know why. > > > > > > > > ~G. > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you assume that this self knows why it does anything? > > > > > > No " self " does......or can. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ----------------------------- > > > > Why do you believe that no " self " does........or can. > > > > That's part of your game construct too yes? > > > > Oh, I'm beginning to get why you play this game. > > > > It brings some fun. It is a bit fun to play. > > > > I guess everybody plays their games. > > > > Playing those mind games......forever...... > > > > beating those mind guerillas. > > > > > > ~G. > > -------- > > > > > > Mind can never figure itself out....let alone...trying to figure out " another's " mind........ > > > > toombaru -------------------------- is that another of your game rule constructs? like the game rules for the goose egg in a bottle? The game that doesn't exist? So now what do I do with this information that you claim does not/cannot exist because according to your rules it can't be done? Prozac has kicked in now.... beginning to figure out your mind....even though you adhere to the rules that this cannot be done. One thing however; I will use your reference to the zombee jamboree in the future. That's tickles my funny bone because it really hits the mark, I think... ***I think***. ~G. ------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has > > experienced his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated > > mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world > > of memories....... > > > > > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > > > > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > > > > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that into > > a reasonalbe package) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > > those replies. > > > > > > Oh Diana... > > You better sit down.............I guess it's time to tell you... > > > I'm afraid that you have all signed a lifetime...irrevocable contract with the > devil.........(which I assume that you have figured out by now....is your self), > > > > > You have placed all of your baggage and worldly possessions on the bullet train..... > > Next stop.......................Chernobyl. > > > > Does that sound nhilistic? > > > How about calling it............... " Realistic Meallistic Nihilism " ? > > > Is that easier to swallow? > > > toombaru ------------------------------ Question please..... So, where does the " me " / " self " ***doesn't**** exist fit in the above statement? If me/self doesn't exist how can it be killed? Can something that doesn't exist really be killed? Or does the experience just develop into an ahaaaa moment where one moves on to something different. Some other form of entertainment with which to play at. Or does one simply realize this all along and plays along with it anyways. Otherwise it sounds like your just chewing at the bone from both ends, saying " sel/me " doesn't exist yet it's on the train to mealistic nihilism. If it didn't exist how can it be nihlated? I wake up and know my dreams don't exist and yet they serve purpose in people's psyche. I don't care that they are real or not. Likewise, probably the biggest difference between me and you is that I know I'm playing a game involved with " self " and you keep denying that there's a game at all, yet still employ ranks in the game called the non-dualist religion. ~G. ------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " > > > <diana_53231> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " > > > > <diana_53231> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > > <cptc@w...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > > > > > > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > > > > > > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > > > > > > those replies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance > > > > > > is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. > > > > > > > > > > > > You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness > > > > > > lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that Ramana was wrong? > > > > > > > > > > Was everything that came from his mouth true? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > What comes from anyone's mouth is what comes > > > > from someone's mouth. Do with it what you > > > > will. > > > > > > > > What are wrong/right, true/untrue, save > > > > measurements made by intellect? > > > > > > > > What in essence are all the pointings, > > > > but an invitation to see if there's anything > > > > beyond that measuring mind? > > > > > > > > > ** Nowadays, they're cash cows. > > > Unlike Lakshmi... > > > > > > God designed cows to eat grass.....we can't eat grass.....so we > eat cows...... > > > > > > Cows are not designed to transcend themselves.... > > > > > > > > They eats grass....and we eats them. > > > > > > You don't see a lot of wild cows running around these > days.......If we didn't eat them....they > > wouldn't even be here........ > > > > > > > > I'm sure that Lakshmi was a very nice cow.....She really was > pretty ...for a cow........ > > > > > > but > > > > > > she was a cow...for christ's sake..........just a cow. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > ** Not really. I can understand why someone might prefer > a cow (or a dog, etc.)...as company. > > Btw, Ramana supposedly said (about enlightenment) " I can > give it, but can you take it? " > > What's your 'take' on that, Toom? You want my take...on his take....so that you can compare it with your take? A lot of words came through his mouth over his life-time........many were written down..........they mean.....nothing.......they are drivel....useless.......they don't even point to the moon. ...........nothing special there......... Put no head higher then your own. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Diana and Pete! > > > > <S> > > > > But consider he is actually right: > > There is no one there. > > Only an answering machine > > programmed to search > > every received message > > for a positive statement, > > negating it, and send it back. > > Or every now and then, automatically > > returning a nondual statement > > from a pre prepared list > > and add it to the recieved mail, like: > > " There is a bird in a bottle " > > " show me the bird " > > " mind is mind " etc > > > > That make sense? ;-) > > > > Tom > > > > > If you consider that he is > actually right, then there > would be no such thing as an > " advaita shuffle " , nor a > person who could be taken to > task for doing this shuffle. > > freyja bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Diana and Pete! > > > > > > <S> > > > > > > But consider he is actually right: > > > There is no one there. > > > Only an answering machine > > > programmed to search > > > every received message > > > for a positive statement, > > > negating it, and send it back. > > > Or every now and then, automatically > > > returning a nondual statement > > > from a pre prepared list > > > and add it to the recieved mail, like: > > > " There is a bird in a bottle " > > > " show me the bird " > > > " mind is mind " etc > > > > > > That make sense? ;-) > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > If you consider that he is > > actually right, then there > > would be no such thing as an > > " advaita shuffle " , nor a > > person who could be taken to > > task for doing this shuffle. > > > > freyja > > > > > bingo (toombaru) --- then toombaru, why do you take people to task? Why do you suggest there is *no* this or that indicating and elluding that there is a *better* this than that. Alluding that people cling together to something that gives reference that it is *un* or not quite *right*. I swear it's Judi Rhodes in reverse. Each just chewing from a different end of the bone. ~G. ---- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 > > > So now what do I do with this information that you claim > does not/cannot exist because according to your rules it can't be > done? > At the end of most satsangs...........after the mandatory quiet time........someone in the back row holds up their hand and says........ sheepishly, " I understand what you are saying.....but what do you suggest that I do? " The teacher smiles.....and heads toward the table where the books are being sold. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > So now what do I do with this information that you claim > > does not/cannot exist because according to your rules it can't be > > done? > > > > > > > At the end of most satsangs...........after the mandatory quiet time........someone in the > back row holds up their hand and says........ sheepishly, > > " I understand what you are saying.....but what do you suggest that I do? " > > > > The teacher smiles.....and heads toward the table where the books are being sold. > > > toombaru ------------------ oooooh, I get it now, you do/come on a computer forum/board and play a different kind of a game with little typing fingers. are you having fun yet? you have mental gymnastics 101 almost down pat. twisting words back and forth upon each other until they make no sense at all. but then again, but then again, I forgot, there is no such thing as common sense. Again, toombaru you have not so cleverly side-tracked the issue by diverting the issue. The question was: You've made up different rules to your game and decide that's how it shall be played. You are still playing a game, but now you feel very high and mighty and consider yourself to be going to the almighty table where *your* books are being sold. These books are very special because in them hold *your* rules to *your* game. Alas, if I don't play it I'm considered the stupid student who doesn't get it. lol ~G. --------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Hi Freyja Yes, I see my joke was clumsily expressed. The meaning was: He could be right in his recurring statement: " There is no one here " et al (His denial of a residing entity.) IF.... his answers were produced by some machine. Tom > > Hi Diana and Pete! > > > > <S> > > > > But consider he is actually right: > > There is no one there. > > Only an answering machine > > programmed to search > > every received message > > for a positive statement, > > negating it, and send it back. > > Or every now and then, automatically > > returning a nondual statement > > from a pre prepared list > > and add it to the recieved mail, like: > > " There is a bird in a bottle " > > " show me the bird " > > " mind is mind " etc > > > > That make sense? ;-) > > > > Tom > > > > > If you consider that he is > actually right, then there > would be no such thing as an > " advaita shuffle " , nor a > person who could be taken to > task for doing this shuffle. > > freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 ---------------------------- > > Question please..... > > So, where does the " me " / " self " ***doesn't**** exist fit in the above > statement? > > > If me/self doesn't exist how can it be killed? A wave or a ripple can be " killed " with a rock. A self can be " killed " merely by looking up its own dress, > > Can something that doesn't exist really be killed? No. > > Or does the experience just develop into an ahaaaa moment where one > moves on to something different. No. > Some other form of entertainment with which to play at. > > Or does one simply realize this all along and plays along with it > anyways. No. > > Otherwise it sounds like your just chewing at the bone from both > ends, The identified entity can never see its own vacuity, saying " sel/me " doesn't exist yet it's on the train to > mealistic nihilism. If it didn't exist how can it be nihlated? > I wake up No..... " you " don't. and know my dreams don't exist and yet they serve purpose > in people's psyche. I don't care that they are real or not. > > Likewise, probably the biggest difference between me and you is that > I know I'm playing a game involved with " self " You believe that....and that IS the game. and you keep denying > that there's a game at all, yet still employ ranks in the game > called the non-dualist religion. How is that different then Ramana...Nisargadatta...Jesus...The Buddha.....they were confined to using words........to explain the unexplainable........ That's the hoot.....LOL toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now what do I do with this information that you claim > > > does not/cannot exist because according to your rules it can't > be > > > done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end of most satsangs...........after the mandatory quiet > time........someone in the > > back row holds up their hand and says........ sheepishly, > > > > " I understand what you are saying.....but what do you suggest that > I do? " > > > > > > > > The teacher smiles.....and heads toward the table where the books > are being sold. > > > > > > toombaru > ------------------ > > oooooh, I get it now, you do/come on a computer forum/board and > play a different kind of a game with little typing fingers. > > are you having fun yet? > > you have mental gymnastics 101 almost down pat. twisting words back > and forth upon each other until they make no sense at all. but then > again, but then again, I forgot, there is no such thing as common > sense. > > Again, toombaru you have not so cleverly side-tracked the issue by > diverting the issue. The question was: You've made up different > rules to your game and decide that's how it shall be played. > > You are still playing a game, but now you feel very high and mighty > and consider yourself to be going to the almighty table where *your* > books are being sold. These books are very special because in them > hold *your* rules to *your* game. > > Alas, if I don't play it I'm considered the stupid student who > doesn't get it. > > lol > > ~G. > --------------- I'll tell you what I can do with your information..... you guessed it..... a big ole belly laugh. hahahahhahahahahahahhahaa It's a fun game yes? No, I really don't understand your rules but I guess the thing is I really don't need to. They are your rules and you sing your part in the zombie jamboree and everyone else plays their part as well. Let the singing commence.!!!! lol. ~G. ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now what do I do with this information that you claim > > > does not/cannot exist because according to your rules it can't > be > > > done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end of most satsangs...........after the mandatory quiet > time........someone in the > > back row holds up their hand and says........ sheepishly, > > > > " I understand what you are saying.....but what do you suggest that > I do? " > > > > > > > > The teacher smiles.....and heads toward the table where the books > are being sold. > > > > > > toombaru > ------------------ > > oooooh, I get it now, you do/come on a computer forum/board and > play a different kind of a game with little typing fingers. > > are you having fun yet? > > you have mental gymnastics 101 almost down pat. twisting words back > and forth upon each other until they make no sense at all. but then > again, but then again, I forgot, there is no such thing as common > sense. > > Again, toombaru you have not so cleverly side-tracked the issue by > diverting the issue. The question was: You've made up different > rules to your game and decide that's how it shall be played. > > You are still playing a game, but now you feel very high and mighty > and consider yourself to be going to the almighty table where *your* > books are being sold. These books are very special because in them > hold *your* rules to *your* game. > > Alas, if I don't play it I'm considered the stupid student who > doesn't get it. > > lol > > ~G. > --------------- Not at all. You are considered among the bravest of the brave. This bloody ground terrifies all but the few....the most courageous...... I am humbled by you....and honored to be in your company. That is true of every one here. I mean this. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > ---------------------------- > > > > Question please..... > > > > So, where does the " me " / " self " ***doesn't**** exist fit in the above > > statement? > > > > > > If me/self doesn't exist how can it be killed? > > > T: A wave or a ripple can be " killed " with a rock. > > A self can be " killed " merely by looking up its own dress, > > G: How can you kill a self if it didn't exist in the first place? > > > > Can something that doesn't exist really be killed? > > > > > No. > > > > > > > Or does the experience just develop into an ahaaaa moment where one > > moves on to something different. > > > No. > G: Again, Your game rule. it has become thee rule for you. > > Some other form of entertainment with which to play at. > > > > Or does one simply realize this all along and plays along with it > > anyways. > > > No. > G: again, your game rule. Why are you playing along with it if you say above that *no* one does not or have you simply not realized it? > > > > > Otherwise it sounds like your just chewing at the bone from both > > ends, > > > The identified entity can never see its own vacuity, > G: And you got this information from Where exactly? Again, your rules are very rigid, not fluid at all. That's fine if you like that kind of game. > saying " self/me " doesn't exist yet it's on the train to > > mealistic nihilism. If it didn't exist how can it be nihlated? > > I wake up > > > No..... " you " don't. G: oh, I forgot to say, We, Me, Everybody. My bad. > > > > and know my dreams don't exist and yet they serve purpose > > in people's psyche. I don't care that they are real or not. > > > > Likewise, probably the biggest difference between me and you is that > > I know I'm playing a game involved with " self " > > > You believe that....and that IS the game. > > G: Look around you at the marvelous game we have created out of nothing. > and you keep denying > > that there's a game at all, yet still employ ranks in the game > > called the non-dualist religion. > > > How is that different then Ramana...Nisargadatta...Jesus...The Buddha.....they were > confined to using words........to explain the unexplainable........ > > > That's the hoot.....LOL > > > toombaru G: It is a hoot. That's why your playing. When it stops being a hoot you'll likely stop singing in the zombie jamboree. That's a matter of common sense deduction though based on past experience of such cases. You know that common sense that doesn't really exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > The identified entity can never see its own vacuity, Excuse me, am getting a bit confused by game rules. The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has experienced his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world of memories.......19214 The identified entity can never see its own vacuity 19307 O, which is ****right****? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now what do I do with this information that you claim > > > > does not/cannot exist because according to your rules it can't > > be > > > > done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end of most satsangs...........after the mandatory quiet > > time........someone in the > > > back row holds up their hand and says........ sheepishly, > > > > > > " I understand what you are saying.....but what do you suggest that > > I do? " > > > > > > > > > > > > The teacher smiles.....and heads toward the table where the books > > are being sold. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > ------------------ > > > > oooooh, I get it now, you do/come on a computer forum/board and > > play a different kind of a game with little typing fingers. > > > > are you having fun yet? > > > > you have mental gymnastics 101 almost down pat. twisting words back > > and forth upon each other until they make no sense at all. but then > > again, but then again, I forgot, there is no such thing as common > > sense. > > > > Again, toombaru you have not so cleverly side-tracked the issue by > > diverting the issue. The question was: You've made up different > > rules to your game and decide that's how it shall be played. > > > > You are still playing a game, but now you feel very high and mighty > > and consider yourself to be going to the almighty table where *your* > > books are being sold. These books are very special because in them > > hold *your* rules to *your* game. > > > > Alas, if I don't play it I'm considered the stupid student who > > doesn't get it. > > > > lol > > > > ~G. > > --------------- > > > > Not at all. > > > You are considered among the bravest of the brave. > > > This bloody ground terrifies all but the few....the most courageous...... > > > I am humbled by you....and honored to be in your company. > > > That is true of every one here. > > > I mean this. > > > toombaru ---------------------------- same reason I'm here typing my little *non* fingers off. we are the same you and I. We, me everybody....geez, I gotta be so politically correct in my word phrazing on this *un* board or else the wrath of the *non* police will come down upon me in the form of a little slap on my fingers....saying, " no, there is no such thing as you. " Ken Wilbur had/has a whole non-duality thing going on which seems to approach the western pallette more so. Anybody up on Ken and his goings ons? ~G. ------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > Hi Freyja > > Yes, I see my joke was clumsily expressed. > > The meaning was: > He could be right in his recurring statement: > " There is no one here " et al > (His denial of a residing entity.) > > IF.... his answers > were produced by some machine. > > Tom > OK, Tom, I get it now :-) Question: Do you know what IT is that makes human units different than machines, other than being capable of perceiving through the senses (sentient), and the ability to reflect, reason, and experience? We label one animate, (imbued with life) the other inanimate (no visible signs of life) but all made of the same stuff. And we, the animate human units 'appear' to control the inanimate objects. But it is not so very simple to see, even in a grammar school geography class, that it takes a huge cooperative effort to manifest just one little thing? And how far back does this cooperative symbiotic effort go? Can you know? Can you 'know' original cause (unknown) or are you a manifestation of that original cause? whatever it is. This is the unknown variable that is always present, and which contains all of our drives, beliefs, and everything, and it un-balances all equations. freyja > > > Hi Diana and Pete! > > > > > > <S> > > > > > > But consider he is actually right: > > > There is no one there. > > > Only an answering machine > > > programmed to search > > > every received message > > > for a positive statement, > > > negating it, and send it back. > > > Or every now and then, automatically > > > returning a nondual statement > > > from a pre prepared list > > > and add it to the recieved mail, like: > > > " There is a bird in a bottle " > > > " show me the bird " > > > " mind is mind " etc > > > > > > That make sense? ;-) > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > If you consider that he is > > actually right, then there > > would be no such thing as an > > " advaita shuffle " , nor a > > person who could be taken to > > task for doing this shuffle. > > > > freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " <diana_53231> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > The identified entity can never see its own vacuity, > > > Excuse me, am getting a bit confused by game rules. Were you ever not confused? > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has experienced > his own > vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated mentation....and then > interpreted > from an entirely different world of memories.......19214 > Knitting the past with the present......creates a comfortable but somewhat constraining garment... I can see no inconsistency in the above statements. When the unspeakable occurs...there is no one there to receive it......only ashes of old photos...... > > The identified entity can never see its own vacuity 19307 > > > O, which is ****right****? both......in their moment...... neither........now. t. Have I told you lately that I love you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " <diana_53231> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > The identified entity can never see its own vacuity, > > > > > > Excuse me, am getting a bit confused by game rules. > > > > > > Were you ever not confused? As you know, you and i agree, toomy, on the limitation of the human intellect, that vanishingly small portion of the activity of billions of neurones and trillions of synapses that make it to what is laughingly termed 'conscious awareness'. That tiny sliver that makes it to the prefrontal lobes has given the human species an amazing technological ability, and an equally amazingly rich 'secondary' life. The essence of the hominid brain is to discriminate, to scan for movement, and for pattern. It is true, or at least i agree, that the assumed self is merely the product of mnemonic traces, 'knit' together to construct a continuity that does not, in fact, exist. Ultimately, it is enough to realize the world is dreamed. I keep wanting anyone to reference Nisargadatta, so i will. Is there birth or death, or has an idea, I Am, arisen in consciousness? > > > > > > > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has experienced > > his own > > vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated mentation....and then > > interpreted > > from an entirely different world of memories.......19214 > > Chopra, that great popularizer, has said: " We have walked in different gardens, and knelt at different graves. " Does the intimation of transcendence continually express itself through all the instruments? > > > Knitting the past with the present......creates a comfortable but somewhat constraining > garment... > > > I can see no inconsistency in the above statements. > > When the unspeakable occurs...there is no one there to receive it......only ashes of old > photos...... > Yes, I Am is downstream. > > > > > > > The identified entity can never see its own vacuity 19307 > > > > > > O, which is ****right****? > > > both......in their moment...... > > neither........now. > > > t. > > > > Have I told you lately that I love you? You use a sweeping disclaimer produced by intellect, to deny every statement made here, which,perforce, must engage intellect to type. Who is there to care that you invoke 'love' when challenged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " <diana_53231> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " > <diana_53231> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The identified entity can never see its own vacuity, > > > > > > > > > Excuse me, am getting a bit confused by game rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > Were you ever not confused? > > As you know, you and i agree, toomy, > on the limitation of the human intellect, > that vanishingly small portion of the > activity of billions of neurones and trillions > of synapses that make it to what is laughingly > termed 'conscious awareness'. > > That tiny sliver that makes it to the prefrontal > lobes has given the human species an amazing > technological ability, and an equally amazingly > rich 'secondary' life. > > The essence of the hominid brain is to discriminate, > to scan for movement, and for pattern. It is true, > or at least i agree, that the assumed self is merely > the product of mnemonic traces, 'knit' together to > construct a continuity that does not, in fact, exist. > > Ultimately, it is enough to realize the world is > dreamed. > > I keep wanting anyone to reference Nisargadatta, > so i will. Is there birth or death, or has an > idea, I Am, arisen in consciousness? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has > experienced > > > his own > > > vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated mentation....and > then > > > interpreted > > > from an entirely different world of memories.......19214 > > > > > Chopra, that great popularizer, has said: > " We have walked in different gardens, > and knelt at different graves. " > > Does the intimation of transcendence > continually express itself through > all the instruments? > > > > > > > Knitting the past with the present......creates a comfortable but > somewhat constraining > > garment... > > > > > > I can see no inconsistency in the above statements. > > > > When the unspeakable occurs...there is no one there to receive > it......only ashes of old > > photos...... > > > > Yes, I Am is downstream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The identified entity can never see its own vacuity 19307 > > > > > > > > > O, which is ****right****? > > > > > > both......in their moment...... > > > > neither........now. > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Have I told you lately that I love you? > > You use a sweeping disclaimer produced > by intellect, to deny every statement > made here, which,perforce, > must engage intellect to type. yes > > Who is there to care that you invoke > 'love' when challenged? That would be consciousness itself. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe Ramana simply was joking when he told his followers > about > > > his > > > > > > enlightened cow. :-] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's what I mean......It doesn't occur to them that Ramana > was > > > > flat out wrong. > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Or maybe he was pointing out that everything is enlightened, > > > inluding > > > > the cow, and the only thing that is not enlightened is an > illusion. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > AL, are you saying that illusions have qualities, > > > such as, un-enlightened? > > > > > > what is an illusion? > > > something that is not there? > > > how do you know what is there > > > and what is not there? > > > > > > f. > > > > Everything is. The illusion is the belief that not everything is. > > > > /AL > > ------------------------------- > > So, Al, my dear, if the illusion is the belief that not everything > is then why are you busily attempting to *not* accept some aspects > which you pointed out in a previous thread? I am still caught in the illusion, and frankly I don't know if there is a way out of the for-us-ordinary-person's stressful concept called time. /AL > > Is it because you think some things are *right* and some are *wrong*? > This then leads to choice-- which is exactly where humanity is in > their evolution... beginning the process of understanding choice so > they can make *different* choices -- you know, choose to think and > discuss rather than pick up a gun and blow the neighbors brains out > because they aren't living the way we want them too. > > Your questioning is quite productive because your coming from a more > practical place whereas the beloved Toombaru sets a game rule that > says cows can't be enlightened (paraphrasing) and yet then goes on > to say that there are no such things as cows or thoughts which > create the cow. Wow that takes some mental gymnastics just to > figure out where our lead singer of the zombee jamboree is coming > from. > > Anyone want to enroll in a course called " mental gymnastics 101 " ? > > It's all just fine...it's all working itself out...even though some > will say, " what? There is " No " thing in which to work out. > > I say, obviously there is or you wouldn't be here. > > ~G. > -------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 > > > > It's all just fine...it's all working itself out...even though some > > will say, " what? There is " No " thing in which to work out. > > > > I say, obviously there is or you wouldn't be here. > > > > ~G. The people in your dream last night were there....Where are they now? t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > It's all just fine...it's all working itself out...even though some > > > will say, " what? There is " No " thing in which to work out. > > > > > > I say, obviously there is or you wouldn't be here. > > > > > > ~G. > > > The people in your dream last night were there....Where are they now? > > > t. -------------------------- aaaaah, but your still here. you can debate whether you're here or not til the non-cows come home. Why bother? If there's nothing to produce why bother attempting to produce nothing? Why bother attempting to debate whether nothing is producable? yowza! ~G. -------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > It's all just fine...it's all working itself out...even though some > > > will say, " what? There is " No " thing in which to work out. > > > > > > I say, obviously there is or you wouldn't be here. > > > > > > ~G. > > > The people in your dream last night were there....Where are they now? > > > t. You don't get it, do you? Everything is, every bloody thing. The memory of the dream _is_. There is nothing that is not. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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