Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Integral healing can perhaps happen by a fusion between science and religion, between logic and feeling. Logic can be used to find the limitations of rational thinking and feeling can reveal an opening to a higher intelligence, which in some religious traditions is related to God. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Integral healing can perhaps happen by a fusion between science and > religion, between logic and feeling. Logic can be used to find the > limitations of rational thinking and feeling can reveal an opening to > a higher intelligence, which in some religious traditions is related > to God. > > /AL ------------------------------- o.k., now you're actually getting somewhere. But your past posts on killing thought sound like they conflict with this statement so in and of itself one sits in amazement at the confusion trying to make some sense of it all. I'm telling you these kinds of contradicting statements are a recipe for the brain (that one that doesn't exist you know?) to split apart at the sheer magnitude of trying to wrap itself around these statements that twist back and forth upon each other. Re-read your " killing thought " post. Did I miss read it or something? I was going to say on your " killing thought " thread this: Our early anscestors had what is now referred to as the reptillian brain. More instinctive than thought processing. That obviously was a part of evolution. In the last 20,000 years or so humans have been moving out of the reptillian brain feeling center to explore the more consious and reasoning aspects of the brain. It's still very much in it's infancy stage as societies lack of thinking skills can attest to. (matching up cause and affect has propelled humans into war for centuries for lack of using the reasoning/logic aspect of the brain through which to learn and change behavior that induces the same old results.) My point? One doesn't exclude the other. They work together. It's an experiment. Eventually over more and more time humans will be able to fuse these two components and then the feeling aspect generally melts away like ice. however; in order to get there you really have to get at peace with this whole *non* and *un* thing your non-dual religion is setting up for you as a huge distraction. You, toombaru and many others focus on the idea that there is no self rather then getting on with the business of realizing this experience is here for some purpose. This is a very difficult stage as you all prove quite nicely. ~G. ------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Integral healing can perhaps happen by a fusion between science and > > religion, between logic and feeling. Logic can be used to find the > > limitations of rational thinking and feeling can reveal an opening > to > > a higher intelligence, which in some religious traditions is > related > > to God. > > > > /AL > > ------------------------------- > > o.k., now you're actually getting somewhere. But your past posts on > killing thought sound like they conflict with this statement so in > and of itself one sits in amazement at the confusion trying to make > some sense of it all. I'm telling you these kinds of contradicting > statements are a recipe for the brain (that one that doesn't exist > you know?) to split apart at the sheer magnitude of trying to wrap > itself around these statements that twist back and forth upon each > other. Re-read your " killing thought " post. Did I miss read it or > something? > > I was going to say on your " killing thought " thread this: > > Our early anscestors had what is now referred to as the reptillian > brain. More instinctive than thought processing. That obviously > was a part of evolution. > > In the last 20,000 years or so humans have been moving out of the > reptillian brain feeling center to explore the more consious and > reasoning aspects of the brain. It's still very much in it's > infancy stage as societies lack of thinking skills can attest to. > (matching up cause and affect has propelled humans into war for > centuries for lack of using the reasoning/logic aspect of the brain > through which to learn and change behavior that induces the same old > results.) > > My point? One doesn't exclude the other. They work together. It's > an experiment. Eventually over more and more time humans will be > able to fuse these two components and then the feeling aspect > generally melts away like ice. > > however; in order to get there you really have to get at peace with > this whole *non* and *un* thing your non-dual religion is > setting up for you as a huge distraction. > > You, toombaru and many others focus on the idea that there is no > self rather then getting on with the business of realizing this > experience is here for some purpose. This is a very difficult stage > as you all prove quite nicely. > > ~G. > ------- I agree that my use of the phrase " killing thought " was not so smart. It is not about removing thought, but rather making thinking more fluid, less harsh, quicker, slower, lighter - and thoughts that work in harmony with feeling. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Integral healing can perhaps happen by a fusion between science and > > > religion, between logic and feeling. Logic can be used to find the > > > limitations of rational thinking and feeling can reveal an opening > > to > > > a higher intelligence, which in some religious traditions is > > related > > > to God. > > > > > > /AL > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > o.k., now you're actually getting somewhere. But your past posts on > > killing thought sound like they conflict with this statement so in > > and of itself one sits in amazement at the confusion trying to make > > some sense of it all. I'm telling you these kinds of contradicting > > statements are a recipe for the brain (that one that doesn't exist > > you know?) to split apart at the sheer magnitude of trying to wrap > > itself around these statements that twist back and forth upon each > > other. Re-read your " killing thought " post. Did I miss read it or > > something? > > > > I was going to say on your " killing thought " thread this: > > > > Our early anscestors had what is now referred to as the reptillian > > brain. More instinctive than thought processing. That obviously > > was a part of evolution. > > > > In the last 20,000 years or so humans have been moving out of the > > reptillian brain feeling center to explore the more consious and > > reasoning aspects of the brain. It's still very much in it's > > infancy stage as societies lack of thinking skills can attest to. > > (matching up cause and affect has propelled humans into war for > > centuries for lack of using the reasoning/logic aspect of the brain > > through which to learn and change behavior that induces the same old > > results.) > > > > My point? One doesn't exclude the other. They work together. It's > > an experiment. Eventually over more and more time humans will be > > able to fuse these two components and then the feeling aspect > > generally melts away like ice. > > > > however; in order to get there you really have to get at peace with > > this whole *non* and *un* thing your non-dual religion is > > setting up for you as a huge distraction. > > > > You, toombaru and many others focus on the idea that there is no > > self rather then getting on with the business of realizing this > > experience is here for some purpose. This is a very difficult stage > > as you all prove quite nicely. > > > > ~G. > > ------- > > I agree that my use of the phrase " killing thought " was not so smart. > It is not about removing thought, but rather making thinking more > fluid, less harsh, quicker, slower, lighter - and thoughts that work > in harmony with feeling. > > /AL -------- Now for a question if you'll indulge me? How do you rationalize this (above) with the " no thought " concept that others of the non-dual religion adhere to, such as toombaru, odysseus/alberto or whatever the heck he's calling himself these days. When you say there is no self, (and some say there is no creation) that none of it is real and yet you continue to explore the thought process. Do you believe that thought is " real " and yet the self that is thinking it isn not real? If the self that is thinking it is *not* real then how can the thought be real. I'm waiting with the zoloft as the little synapses start to short circuit. So much focus and attention on this religion call *un* and *non* dualism is really getting in the way determining the crux of it all, which is evolving in the experiment which is humanity. But those are just my thoughts. (yes I said **my** gasp and yes I said *thoughts* louder gasp.) lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Integral healing can perhaps happen by a fusion between > science and > > > > religion, between logic and feeling. Logic can be used to find > the > > > > limitations of rational thinking and feeling can reveal an > opening > > > to > > > > a higher intelligence, which in some religious traditions is > > > related > > > > to God. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > o.k., now you're actually getting somewhere. But your past posts > on > > > killing thought sound like they conflict with this statement so > in > > > and of itself one sits in amazement at the confusion trying to > make > > > some sense of it all. I'm telling you these kinds of > contradicting > > > statements are a recipe for the brain (that one that doesn't > exist > > > you know?) to split apart at the sheer magnitude of trying to > wrap > > > itself around these statements that twist back and forth upon > each > > > other. Re-read your " killing thought " post. Did I miss read it or > > > something? > > > > > > I was going to say on your " killing thought " thread this: > > > > > > Our early anscestors had what is now referred to as the > reptillian > > > brain. More instinctive than thought processing. That obviously > > > was a part of evolution. > > > > > > In the last 20,000 years or so humans have been moving out of the > > > reptillian brain feeling center to explore the more consious and > > > reasoning aspects of the brain. It's still very much in it's > > > infancy stage as societies lack of thinking skills can attest to. > > > (matching up cause and affect has propelled humans into war for > > > centuries for lack of using the reasoning/logic aspect of the > brain > > > through which to learn and change behavior that induces the same > old > > > results.) > > > > > > My point? One doesn't exclude the other. They work together. It's > > > an experiment. Eventually over more and more time humans will be > > > able to fuse these two components and then the feeling aspect > > > generally melts away like ice. > > > > > > however; in order to get there you really have to get at peace > with > > > this whole *non* and *un* thing your non-dual religion is > > > setting up for you as a huge distraction. > > > > > > You, toombaru and many others focus on the idea that there is no > > > self rather then getting on with the business of realizing this > > > experience is here for some purpose. This is a very difficult > stage > > > as you all prove quite nicely. > > > > > > ~G. > > > ------- > > > > I agree that my use of the phrase " killing thought " was not so > smart. > > It is not about removing thought, but rather making thinking more > > fluid, less harsh, quicker, slower, lighter - and thoughts that > work > > in harmony with feeling. > > > > /AL > -------- > > Now for a question if you'll indulge me? > > How do you rationalize this (above) with the " no thought " concept > that others of the non-dual religion adhere to, such as toombaru, > odysseus/alberto or whatever the heck he's calling himself these > days. > > When you say there is no self, (and some say there is no creation) > that none of it is real and yet you continue to explore the thought > process. Do you believe that thought is " real " and yet the self > that is thinking it isn not real? If the self that is thinking it > is *not* real then how can the thought be real. > > I'm waiting with the zoloft as the little synapses start to short > circuit. > > So much focus and attention on this religion call *un* and *non* > dualism is really getting in the way determining the crux of it all, > which is evolving in the experiment which is humanity. But those > are just my thoughts. (yes I said **my** gasp and yes I said > *thoughts* louder gasp.) lol. You mustn't talk about the T-word! As I see it, the problem is not the thought process itself, but the conflict between the rational intellectual thinking and emotions/feelings. It is so utterly obvious to me that the ordinary human thinking process is limited. This limitation is what creates conflict in body and mind. Maybe we are doomed to live with this limitation all our lifes, however, some people say that there is another state of being which is not burdened by compulsive thinking. This makes me very curious, because I *know* my own inner conflict and if there is a way out of that mess, then I will gladly take it. A simple way of moving in another direction is to begin to notice feelings more instead of living in the intellect all the time. If we remain solely in the intellect, then we will remain there. I am not saying that there is a higher form of intelligence than the human intellect, but seeing the " intelligence " of the universe makes me suspect that there is more power to tap into waiting for us. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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