Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 dan330033 wrote: >>>>>Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " >>>>><adithya_comming> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>People might use to talk about it, to present in a >> >>conversation. >> >>>>>>--- I AM --- is one way of calling it. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>They can't present `IT' in conversation, >>>> >>>>You can not really present `anything' in conversation, Dan ! >>>> >>>>Word `water' is NOT really ...water. >>>> >>>>Neither is word love ...LOVE. >>>> >>>>...Nor is the word `Dan', ...Dan or word `ac' ...ac. >>>> >>>>Same goes for many other words. >>> >>>So, why try to use words to beat a dead horse, when >>> instead, you could get over your self? >> >> >>What a concept, Dan ! >> >>How can myself get over myself ? > > > You can't, that's the point. > > You can't transcend yourself. > > You can only die, give way, dissolve. > > And talk about being the great " I AM " only > continues the futile attempt. > > So, thanks for asking that question. > > It's right on. > > The constructor is the contruction. > > They are not separate. > > Including the construction of the great I AM. > > I is a center. > > Am is an attempt to exist. > > I AM gives way, dies, opens, dissolves. > > So, the constructor and construction dissolve > together, a mere transitory event that can't > maintain localization. Including the great > I AM. > > >>BTW, what and `why' are you still `debating', Dan ? >> >>regards, >>ac. > > > It's not a debate Arvind. > > It's a dialogue in which I am providing > the NO to your AFFIRMATION, > the NOT-I and NONBEING to your > great I AM. > > It's poetry more than debate, at least > in my eyes. > > And, by the way, there is no territory that the > words indicate, but which aren't the words. > Words only indicate other words. > Just like self can only indicate self. > > That is why the NO to the YES works so well. > > Thanks for the dialogue! > > -- Dan > > (nothing new below) > > > >>>>It is NOT possible to really present LOVE, HATE, water, moon, >>> >>>earths >>> >>>>among many, many other things. >>>> >>>>Word are just symbols, pointers that point to ...them. >>>> >>>> >>>>People who engage in conversation understand that the word >> >>`water' >> >>>>is ...NOT really water and they can drink the ...word `water'. >>>> >>>> >>>>Same goes for many other words ... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>--- I AM --- >>> >>>Get over yourself, Mr. the great I AM. >>> >>>:-) >>> >>>== Dan ????????????????????????????????????????? Prasangikas (zeroisnis persistisis) Identifiable Coverings: A robe and cloak made of the fabric emptiness, dependent origination, and tetralemma, and a mantle made of the interweaving of the two truths and skill means. View of Others: delusional, bewildered, confused, trapped, ignorant. Common Behaviors: makes constant effort to dissipate or otherwise eliminate concepts, identities, selves, minds and so on in conceptual appearances; constant focus on assisting conceptual entities to enter emptiness using words and concepts in a persuasive manner. Habitat: swamps, briar patches, brambles, tar pits, quicksand, jungles, etc. Mutant behavior: Unwilling to experience and/or admit subjectness and I AM. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Advaita Vedantists (oneinesis incorrigibleisis) Identifiable Coverings: a loin cloth and/or breast covering made from fabric of indubitable experience of an indescribable subject - I AM (ATMAN) View of Others: unrealized I AM's. Common Behaviors: makes constant effort to encourage self-inquiry and realization of I AM; constant focus on assisting others to realization of I AM or I AM THAT using words and concepts in a persuasive manner. Habitat: swamps, briar patches, brambles, tar pits, quicksand, jungles, etc. Mutant behavior: Unwilling not to say I AM and to experience and/or admit emptiness and no I AM. ????????????????????????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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