Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 In a message dated 2/6/05 7:30:12 AM, lbb10 writes: P: Very nice story! > A teetotaler comes into the bar, stands grandly in front of all the > intoxicated crowd and announces in a serious, booming, clear voice that > drunkenness is incorrect, that it is wrong, that it is dangerous and can > lead to delusions and delirium tremors and all sorts of illnesses and > continuing calls for everyone to put down their drinks and to be free, > to abstain completely, to be free from their detrimental habit. > > With this entrance, the bar hushes to great quiet as eyes dart back and > forth from one to another and as the eyes do there is a welling of > enormous emotion in the place, faces expand, eyes light up and an > oceanic outburst of laughter breaks out. Side are held, there is rolling > on the floor, quiet chuckles in darkly lit corner tables, there are > hearty jeers, there are lusty cries of agreement as they drink their > draught boldly in response to the call and all is a pandemonium of mirth > and good feeling. > > As the teetotaler stands there astonished at this response, he does not > experience what the drunks in the bar do, and finds no humor in what he > has proclaimed for their benefit, for their sake. The teetotaler does > not hear his slurred speech, nor does experience his weaving to and fro > barely able to stand, staggering left and forward and then back while > his blurry, bloodshot eyes, cloudy and stupefied, cannot see in his hand > a nearly empty quart bottle of teetotalism that he has been drinking > blindly from. > > Drunk on his drink, reeling and intoxicated as the others are on theirs, > the teetotaler quiets and stands their numb, swaying gently, looking > over the crowd, cross-eyed. The drunks give him a seat and tell him to > tell it all and they all listen inebriated in their way on their > favorite drinks and they continue in drunkenness as they cannot help > themselves. They encourage their new friend and make merry, laugh and > have a good time. > > Eventually, the teetotaler begins to chuckle and laugh heartily at his > own intoxication and unsteadily and surely rises proposing a toast, " Let > us drink to our hearts content and to every one their drink in their way > and may we be drunk all the day long as it is. All the drunks rise, > raise their, steins, shot glasses, bottles, flasks and what have you and > say in unison, " Yes, Yes let us drink heartily and long life! " and they > drain their drinks. Hearty songs and conversation follow, the rounds of > buying drinks continues, all of them drunk in their way, being what they > are. The music plays in the background. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Let us investigate the idea of a new kind of logic that is not based on true vs false, nor on fuzzy sets which although not limited to discrete polar opposites nevertheless are based on rules building on the concept of true vs false. The first axiom in this new kind of logic, which we can call Nondual Logic is: AXIOM 1: Everything is The purpose of this first axiom is to go beyond the limitation of traditional dualistic logic. AXIOM 2: Any statement including negations, such as " something is not " is a part of what is. The purpose of the second axiom is to embrace the dualistic notion of " is " vs " is not " and envelop them as a part of axiom 1. AXIOM 3: Statements about " true " vs " false " are parts of what is. The purpose of this third axiom is to inlude traditional dualistic logic and envelop it as a part of axiom 1. ------------- In practical terms, this nondual logic states that everything is, and that there is nothing that not is. A statement like " Santa Claus does not exist " is a part of what is, and therefore exists. The statement " Planet Earth has two moons " exists as a part of what is. Saying that " Britney Spears is a man " is a statement, and that statement exists. So we see here that nondual logic has nothing to do with true vs false other than embracing such notion as a part of what is. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 anders_lindman wrote: > > Let us investigate the idea of a new kind of logic that is not based > on true vs false, nor on fuzzy sets which although not limited to > discrete polar opposites nevertheless are based on rules building on > the concept of true vs false. > > The first axiom in this new kind of logic, which we can call Nondual > Logic is: > > AXIOM 1: Everything is > > The purpose of this first axiom is to go beyond the limitation of > traditional dualistic logic. > > AXIOM 2: Any statement including negations, such as " something is not " > is a part of what is. > > The purpose of the second axiom is to embrace the dualistic notion of > " is " vs " is not " and envelop them as a part of axiom 1. > > AXIOM 3: Statements about " true " vs " false " are parts of what is. > > The purpose of this third axiom is to inlude traditional dualistic > logic and envelop it as a part of axiom 1. > > ------------- > > In practical terms, this nondual logic states that everything is, and > that there is nothing that not is. A statement like " Santa Claus does > not exist " is a part of what is, and therefore exists. The statement > " Planet Earth has two moons " exists as a part of what is. Saying that > " Britney Spears is a man " is a statement, and that statement exists. > So we see here that nondual logic has nothing to do with true vs false > other than embracing such notion as a part of what is. > > /AL A teetotaler comes into the bar, stands grandly in front of all the intoxicated crowd and announces in a serious, booming, clear voice that drunkenness is incorrect, that it is wrong, that it is dangerous and can lead to delusions and delirium tremors and all sorts of illnesses and continuing calls for everyone to put down their drinks and to be free, to abstain completely, to be free from their detrimental habit. With this entrance, the bar hushes to great quiet as eyes dart back and forth from one to another and as the eyes do there is a welling of enormous emotion in the place, faces expand, eyes light up and an oceanic outburst of laughter breaks out. Side are held, there is rolling on the floor, quiet chuckles in darkly lit corner tables, there are hearty jeers, there are lusty cries of agreement as they drink their draught boldly in response to the call and all is a pandemonium of mirth and good feeling. As the teetotaler stands there astonished at this response, he does not experience what the drunks in the bar do, and finds no humor in what he has proclaimed for their benefit, for their sake. The teetotaler does not hear his slurred speech, nor does experience his weaving to and fro barely able to stand, staggering left and forward and then back while his blurry, bloodshot eyes, cloudy and stupefied, cannot see in his hand a nearly empty quart bottle of teetotalism that he has been drinking blindly from. Drunk on his drink, reeling and intoxicated as the others are on theirs, the teetotaler quiets and stands their numb, swaying gently, looking over the crowd, cross-eyed. The drunks give him a seat and tell him to tell it all and they all listen inebriated in their way on their favorite drinks and they continue in drunkenness as they cannot help themselves. They encourage their new friend and make merry, laugh and have a good time. Eventually, the teetotaler begins to chuckle and laugh heartily at his own intoxication and unsteadily and surely rises proposing a toast, " Let us drink to our hearts content and to every one their drink in their way and may we be drunk all the day long as it is. All the drunks rise, raise their, steins, shot glasses, bottles, flasks and what have you and say in unison, " Yes, Yes let us drink heartily and long life! " and they drain their drinks. Hearty songs and conversation follow, the rounds of buying drinks continues, all of them drunk in their way, being what they are. The music plays in the background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > anders_lindman wrote: > > > > > Let us investigate the idea of a new kind of logic that is not based > > on true vs false, nor on fuzzy sets which although not limited to > > discrete polar opposites nevertheless are based on rules building on > > the concept of true vs false. > > > > The first axiom in this new kind of logic, which we can call Nondual > > Logic is: > > > > AXIOM 1: Everything is > > > > The purpose of this first axiom is to go beyond the limitation of > > traditional dualistic logic. > > > > AXIOM 2: Any statement including negations, such as " something is not " > > is a part of what is. > > > > The purpose of the second axiom is to embrace the dualistic notion of > > " is " vs " is not " and envelop them as a part of axiom 1. > > > > AXIOM 3: Statements about " true " vs " false " are parts of what is. > > > > The purpose of this third axiom is to inlude traditional dualistic > > logic and envelop it as a part of axiom 1. > > > > ------------- > > > > In practical terms, this nondual logic states that everything is, and > > that there is nothing that not is. A statement like " Santa Claus does > > not exist " is a part of what is, and therefore exists. The statement > > " Planet Earth has two moons " exists as a part of what is. Saying that > > " Britney Spears is a man " is a statement, and that statement exists. > > So we see here that nondual logic has nothing to do with true vs false > > other than embracing such notion as a part of what is. > > > > /AL > > A teetotaler comes into the bar, stands grandly in front of all the > intoxicated crowd and announces in a serious, booming, clear voice that > drunkenness is incorrect, that it is wrong, that it is dangerous and can > lead to delusions and delirium tremors and all sorts of illnesses and > continuing calls for everyone to put down their drinks and to be free, > to abstain completely, to be free from their detrimental habit. > > With this entrance, the bar hushes to great quiet as eyes dart back and > forth from one to another and as the eyes do there is a welling of > enormous emotion in the place, faces expand, eyes light up and an > oceanic outburst of laughter breaks out. Side are held, there is rolling > on the floor, quiet chuckles in darkly lit corner tables, there are > hearty jeers, there are lusty cries of agreement as they drink their > draught boldly in response to the call and all is a pandemonium of mirth > and good feeling. > > As the teetotaler stands there astonished at this response, he does not > experience what the drunks in the bar do, and finds no humor in what he > has proclaimed for their benefit, for their sake. The teetotaler does > not hear his slurred speech, nor does experience his weaving to and fro > barely able to stand, staggering left and forward and then back while > his blurry, bloodshot eyes, cloudy and stupefied, cannot see in his hand > a nearly empty quart bottle of teetotalism that he has been drinking > blindly from. > > Drunk on his drink, reeling and intoxicated as the others are on theirs, > the teetotaler quiets and stands their numb, swaying gently, looking > over the crowd, cross-eyed. The drunks give him a seat and tell him to > tell it all and they all listen inebriated in their way on their > favorite drinks and they continue in drunkenness as they cannot help > themselves. They encourage their new friend and make merry, laugh and > have a good time. > > Eventually, the teetotaler begins to chuckle and laugh heartily at his > own intoxication and unsteadily and surely rises proposing a toast, " Let > us drink to our hearts content and to every one their drink in their way > and may we be drunk all the day long as it is. All the drunks rise, > raise their, steins, shot glasses, bottles, flasks and what have you and > say in unison, " Yes, Yes let us drink heartily and long life! " and they > drain their drinks. Hearty songs and conversation follow, the rounds of > buying drinks continues, all of them drunk in their way, being what they > are. The music plays in the background. Drinking can gradually take us below the thinking mind, and there is a kind of relief in that because momentarily, a person is a bit relieved of his or her tormenting thinking self. Unless the person and is unlucky and the pain body wakes up. (I have more or less stolen these words from Eckhart Tolle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Let us investigate the idea of a new kind of logic that is not based > on true vs false, nor on fuzzy sets which although not limited to > discrete polar opposites nevertheless are based on rules building on > the concept of true vs false. > > The first axiom in this new kind of logic, which we can call Nondual > Logic is: > > AXIOM 1: Everything is > > The purpose of this first axiom is to go beyond the limitation of > traditional dualistic logic. > > AXIOM 2: Any statement including negations, such as " something is not " > is a part of what is. > > The purpose of the second axiom is to embrace the dualistic notion of > " is " vs " is not " and envelop them as a part of axiom 1. > > AXIOM 3: Statements about " true " vs " false " are parts of what is. > > The purpose of this third axiom is to inlude traditional dualistic > logic and envelop it as a part of axiom 1. > > ------------- > > In practical terms, this nondual logic states that everything is, and > that there is nothing that not is. A statement like " Santa Claus does > not exist " is a part of what is, and therefore exists. The statement > " Planet Earth has two moons " exists as a part of what is. Saying that > " Britney Spears is a man " is a statement, and that statement exists. > So we see here that nondual logic has nothing to do with true vs false > other than embracing such notion as a part of what is. > > /AL ** the offspring...of.......a.....barren....woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Let us investigate the idea of a new kind of logic that is not > based > > on true vs false, nor on fuzzy sets which although not limited to > > discrete polar opposites nevertheless are based on rules building > on > > the concept of true vs false. > > > > The first axiom in this new kind of logic, which we can call > Nondual > > Logic is: > > > > AXIOM 1: Everything is > > > > The purpose of this first axiom is to go beyond the limitation of > > traditional dualistic logic. > > > > AXIOM 2: Any statement including negations, such as " something is > not " > > is a part of what is. > > > > The purpose of the second axiom is to embrace the dualistic notion > of > > " is " vs " is not " and envelop them as a part of axiom 1. > > > > AXIOM 3: Statements about " true " vs " false " are parts of what is. > > > > The purpose of this third axiom is to inlude traditional dualistic > > logic and envelop it as a part of axiom 1. > > > > ------------- > > > > In practical terms, this nondual logic states that everything is, > and > > that there is nothing that not is. A statement like " Santa Claus > does > > not exist " is a part of what is, and therefore exists. The > statement > > " Planet Earth has two moons " exists as a part of what is. Saying > that > > " Britney Spears is a man " is a statement, and that statement > exists. > > So we see here that nondual logic has nothing to do with true vs > false > > other than embracing such notion as a part of what is. > > > > /AL > > ** the offspring...of.......a.....barren....woman. > > Yes, totality is her own offspring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Let us investigate the idea of a new kind of logic that is not > > based > > > on true vs false, nor on fuzzy sets which although not limited to > > > discrete polar opposites nevertheless are based on rules building > > on > > > the concept of true vs false. > > > > > > The first axiom in this new kind of logic, which we can call > > Nondual > > > Logic is: > > > > > > AXIOM 1: Everything is > > > > > > The purpose of this first axiom is to go beyond the limitation of > > > traditional dualistic logic. > > > > > > AXIOM 2: Any statement including negations, such as " something is > > not " > > > is a part of what is. > > > > > > The purpose of the second axiom is to embrace the dualistic notion > > of > > > " is " vs " is not " and envelop them as a part of axiom 1. > > > > > > AXIOM 3: Statements about " true " vs " false " are parts of what is. > > > > > > The purpose of this third axiom is to inlude traditional dualistic > > > logic and envelop it as a part of axiom 1. > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > In practical terms, this nondual logic states that everything is, > > and > > > that there is nothing that not is. A statement like " Santa Claus > > does > > > not exist " is a part of what is, and therefore exists. The > > statement > > > " Planet Earth has two moons " exists as a part of what is. Saying > > that > > > " Britney Spears is a man " is a statement, and that statement > > exists. > > > So we see here that nondual logic has nothing to do with true vs > > false > > > other than embracing such notion as a part of what is. > > > > > > /AL > > > > ** the offspring...of.......a.....barren....woman. > > > > > > Yes, totality is her own offspring. ** the logic of negation/deconstruction is...perhaps not....obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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