Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you bring the egg and goose to me..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will show you what to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then > attemps > > to solve it. > > > > > > It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ eggs > > and bottles. > > > > > > > > Hey Toom, > > What about this that you've just written > above, as well as most of the other > pages and pages of posts here attempting to > define 'dying to oneself' and its offshoots, > is not the continuing quest to provide > comfort to oneself about " how things are " > how it is, way to be, dude? -- > something to provide some resting place > or sense of having something figured out. Nice, Freyja. I get that impression too. I see myself doing it. As the words come out there is implied position, but then it's recognized what's happening -- the attempt at a position - and then that falls on its face. It's very amusing actually. These thoughts like scattered leaves -- speaking as much truth, no more, no less, than a leaf scurrying across the pavement on a breezy autumn day. Then there's just freedom to express whatever comes out -- stances, positions, pretenses, all coming out moment to moment and dissolving, unless they're recalled by memory and fretted over. > > I think that the best any of the top guns > like Niz or JC were doing, or could do, > at most, was to point a 'way'.... > speak poetically and in koans, > and saying, in effect, > don't try to have philosophies, instead, > <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href= " http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24 & k=make%20up " onmouseover= " window.status='make up'; return true; " onmouseout= " window.status=''; return true; " >make up</a> your own damn mind each second > and then finally, goodbye and Good Luck!, > you are on your own. > > ~freyja On our own -- and no top guns to be found! Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Toom, > > > > What about this that you've just written > > above, as well as most of the other > > pages and pages of posts here attempting to > > define 'dying to oneself' and its offshoots, > > is not the continuing quest to provide > > comfort to oneself about " how things are " > > how it is, way to be, dude? -- > > something to provide some resting place > > or sense of having something figured out. > > Nice, Freyja. > > I get that impression too. I see myself doing it. As the words come > out there is implied position, but then it's recognized what's > happening -- the attempt at a position - and then that falls on its > face. It's very amusing actually. These thoughts like scattered > leaves -- speaking as much truth, no more, no less, than a leaf > scurrying across the pavement on a breezy autumn day. > > Then there's just freedom to express whatever comes out -- stances, > positions, pretenses, all coming out moment to moment and > dissolving, unless they're recalled by memory and fretted over. > > > > > > > I think that the best any of the top guns > > like Niz or JC were doing, or could do, > > at most, was to point a 'way'.... > > speak poetically and in koans, > > and saying, in effect, > > don't try to have philosophies, instead, > > <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' > href= " http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24 & k=make%20up " > onmouseover= " window.status='make up'; return true; " > onmouseout= " window.status=''; return true; " >make up</a> your own > damn mind each second > > and then finally, goodbye and Good Luck!, > > you are on your own. > > > > ~freyja > > On our own -- and no top guns to be found! > > Joe Joe, I do hope you will be able to keep in touch with us when you are in Korea, if not i will miss you and your posts and you will be in my thoughts. Good luck! ~freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > > > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > > <cptc@w...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you bring the egg and goose to me..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will show you what to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > > > It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then > > attemps > > > to solve it. > > > > > > > > It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > > > There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > > > The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ > eggs > > > and bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Toom, > > > > What about this that you've just written > > above, as well as most of the other > > pages and pages of posts here attempting to > > define 'dying to oneself' and its offshoots, > > is not the continuing quest to provide > > comfort to oneself about " how things are " > > how it is, way to be, dude? -- > > something to provide some resting place > > or sense of having something figured out. > > Nice, Freyja. > > I get that impression too. I see myself doing it. As the words come > out there is implied position, but then it's recognized what's > happening -- the attempt at a position - and then that falls on its > face. It's very amusing actually. These thoughts like scattered > leaves -- speaking as much truth, no more, no less, than a leaf > scurrying across the pavement on a breezy autumn day. > > Then there's just freedom to express whatever comes out -- stances, > positions, pretenses, all coming out moment to moment and > dissolving, unless they're recalled by memory and fretted over. ** Is it not freely expressing--all of it--even the wrong views? Not 'freedom to...freedom for'--for something/someone imagined 'apart' from doings, expressings... > > > > > > > I think that the best any of the top guns > > like Niz or JC were doing, or could do, > > at most, was to point a 'way'.... > > speak poetically and in koans, > > and saying, in effect, > > don't try to have philosophies, instead, > > <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' > href= " http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24 & k=make%20up " > onmouseover= " window.status='make up'; return true; " > onmouseout= " window.status=''; return true; " >make up</a> your own > damn mind each second > > and then finally, goodbye and Good Luck!, > > you are on your own. > > > > ~freyja > > On our own -- and no top guns to be found! > > Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > > > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > > > > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > > > <cptc@w...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you bring the egg and goose to me..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will show you what to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > > > > > It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then > > > attemps > > > > to solve it. > > > > > > > > > > It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > > > > > There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > > > > > The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ > > eggs > > > > and bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Toom, > > > > > > What about this that you've just written > > > above, as well as most of the other > > > pages and pages of posts here attempting to > > > define 'dying to oneself' and its offshoots, > > > is not the continuing quest to provide > > > comfort to oneself about " how things are " > > > how it is, way to be, dude? -- > > > something to provide some resting place > > > or sense of having something figured out. > > > > Nice, Freyja. > > > > I get that impression too. I see myself doing it. As the words > come > > out there is implied position, but then it's recognized what's > > happening -- the attempt at a position - and then that falls on > its > > face. It's very amusing actually. These thoughts like scattered > > leaves -- speaking as much truth, no more, no less, than a leaf > > scurrying across the pavement on a breezy autumn day. > > > > Then there's just freedom to express whatever comes out -- > stances, > > positions, pretenses, all coming out moment to moment and > > dissolving, unless they're recalled by memory and fretted over. > > > ** Is it not freely expressing--all of it--even the wrong views? > Not 'freedom to...freedom for'--for something/someone > imagined 'apart' from doings, expressings... > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that the best any of the top guns > > > like Niz or JC were doing, or could do, > > > at most, was to point a 'way'.... > > > speak poetically and in koans, > > > and saying, in effect, > > > don't try to have philosophies, instead, > > > <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' > > href= " http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24 & k=make%20up " > > onmouseover= " window.status='make up'; return true; " > > onmouseout= " window.status=''; return true; " >make up</a> your own > > damn mind each second > > > and then finally, goodbye and Good Luck!, > > > you are on your own. > > > > > > ~freyja > > > > On our own -- and no top guns to be found! > > > > Joe - Specific Reply to: > ** Is it not freely expressing--all of it--even the wrong views? > Not 'freedom to...freedom for'--for something/someone > imagined 'apart' from doings, expressings... > > This is just my point. Thanks for bringing it back up. What are the ****wrong**** views? Why is this non-dual religion so pre-occupied with *wrong*, *un*, *non*? In a non-dual mentality where there is *no* wrong you have just reduced it all to dualism of *wrong* vs. *right*. In this way it seems no different than Catholicism and the right and wrong bashers. Your right and go to heaven or your wrong and go to hell. Well, maybe the difference here is that in non-dual religion understand that the hell is not *reality* but only illusion of one's making - figurative rather than literalists. And yet, it only appears to be a regurgatated concept of western christianity but given a different name so that dear toombaru doesn't actually *think* he's in another one of those hackneyed religions??? wow!!! This is a great board/forum though to help bash these ideas around!!! I guess it's all about that fun game nobodies playing. In any case, if you can play it and still keep your sanity in tact then I guess you won???? [i sit here laughing robustly] ~G. ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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