Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Recognizing that word structures are limited is the beginning of nonduality. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Recognizing that word structures are limited is the beginning of > nonduality. > > /AL the beginning of non-duality is realizing that you are not separated from God...not two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Recognizing that word structures are limited is the beginning of > > nonduality. > > > > /AL > > the beginning of non-duality is realizing that you are not separated > from God...not two! Yeah, maybe that's a better description. To say that words are limited sound so miserable. Lao Tsu said that the Tao that can be spoken of is not the true Tao, and then he went on talking about Tao page after page in the Tao Te Ching. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 > > the beginning of non-duality is realizing that you are not separated > > from God...not two! > > Yeah, maybe that's a better description. To say that words are limited > sound so miserable. Lao Tsu said that the Tao that can be spoken of is > not the true Tao, and then he went on talking about Tao page after > page in the Tao Te Ching. > > /AL yes, with that, those words were actually True....and he could speak like that becuause he was absorbed in a place where they could come from....not just the intellect,.. a higher way of knowing. certainly there was nothing uttered that was a lye. that seems to be the downfall of many spiritual people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Recognizing that word structures are limited is the beginning of > nonduality. > > /AL " beginning " cannot apply to nonduality, Anders. so, you're fucked again. thinking is pretty fucked up, don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Recognizing that word structures are limited is the beginning of > > nonduality. > > > > /AL > > the beginning of non-duality is realizing that you are not separated > from God...not two! yeah, sure... I AM GOD. is there more megalomaniacal bullshit than that? nonduality has to be the knowing that you are not separate from ANYTHING. and my guess is, it's more actual and unmistakable than we in our fuzziness and wishful thinking can imagine. i suppose that's why they call it clarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Recognizing that word structures are limited is the beginning of > > nonduality. > > > > /AL > > > " beginning " cannot apply to nonduality, Anders. > > > so, you're fucked again. > > thinking is pretty fucked up, don't you think? Very few sages, if any, were born with a view of nonduality. Even Jesus Christ struggled with his ego in the desert. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Recognizing that word structures are limited is the beginning of > > > nonduality. > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > " beginning " cannot apply to nonduality, Anders. > > > > > > so, you're fucked again. > > > > thinking is pretty fucked up, don't you think? > > Very few sages, if any, were born with a view of nonduality. Even > Jesus Christ struggled with his ego in the desert. > > /AL sure, man. but you know what - in the desert, Jesus was alone with himself. and i bet he wasn't spinning endless theories of nonduality to amuse himself with. you say that thinking is not enough. ask yourself - when you say it, do you really see it, or are you just quoting somebody? " Vicarious existence is a fucking waste of time. " Axl Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Recognizing that word structures are limited is the beginning of > > > nonduality. > > > > > > /AL > > > > the beginning of non-duality is realizing that you are not separated > > from God...not two! > > Yeah, maybe that's a better description. To say that words are limited > sound so miserable. Lao Tsu said that the Tao that can be spoken of is > not the true Tao, and then he went on talking about Tao page after > page in the Tao Te Ching. > > /AL maybe that's precisely why it begins with that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Recognizing that word structures are limited is the beginning of > > > > nonduality. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > " beginning " cannot apply to nonduality, Anders. > > > > > > > > > so, you're fucked again. > > > > > > thinking is pretty fucked up, don't you think? > > > > Very few sages, if any, were born with a view of nonduality. Even > > Jesus Christ struggled with his ego in the desert. > > > > /AL > > > sure, man. > > but you know what - in the desert, Jesus was alone with himself. > > and i bet he wasn't spinning endless theories of nonduality to amuse > himself with. > > > you say that thinking is not enough. > > ask yourself - when you say it, do you really see it, or are you just > quoting somebody? > > > " Vicarious existence is a fucking waste of time. " > > Axl Rose Jesus was alone in the destert _with_ his ego, in the Bible pictured as Satan. Wasting time is IMO only possible if you are trapped in the cage called the future. Let's look at the idea of wasting time. When is this waste of time supposed to occur? Is watching TV more a waste of time than working out in a gym? Is making money less wasting time than spending money? Is sleep more wasting time than being awake? Is time precious? If so, when? When is time precious? In the future? People anxiously spend their time avoiding wasting time, but they seldom ask themselves if what they condider to be wasting time really is a problem, or if it only is social conditioning playing itself out and being perpetuated by the peers around them and by the media with is constant blind fashination and occupation with time. Kill time. There is an idea of " killing time " as a way of avoiding a boring situation. But a situation is boring only because of inherited and learned desires. The " next " moment is then more important than what is now. To really kill time is to kill the next moment. There is no next moment. The next moment is an illusion. Kill it. Kill that illusion. People believe they are in control of their lives, while in reality it is the " next moment " that is controlling them. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Recognizing that word structures are limited is the beginning of > > > > nonduality. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > the beginning of non-duality is realizing that you are not > separated > > > from God...not two! > > > > Yeah, maybe that's a better description. To say that words are > limited > > sound so miserable. Lao Tsu said that the Tao that can be spoken of > is > > not the true Tao, and then he went on talking about Tao page after > > page in the Tao Te Ching. > > > > /AL > > > maybe that's precisely why it begins with that statement. Yes, it is pointing out that the text that follows is only pointers to Tao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Recognizing that word structures are limited is the beginning of > > > > > nonduality. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > " beginning " cannot apply to nonduality, Anders. > > > > > > > > > > > > so, you're fucked again. > > > > > > > > thinking is pretty fucked up, don't you think? > > > > > > Very few sages, if any, were born with a view of nonduality. Even > > > Jesus Christ struggled with his ego in the desert. > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > sure, man. > > > > but you know what - in the desert, Jesus was alone with himself. > > > > and i bet he wasn't spinning endless theories of nonduality to amuse > > himself with. > > > > > > you say that thinking is not enough. > > > > ask yourself - when you say it, do you really see it, or are you just > > quoting somebody? > > > > > > " Vicarious existence is a fucking waste of time. " > > > > Axl Rose > > Jesus was alone in the destert _with_ his ego, in the Bible pictured > as Satan. where do you think Jesus kept his ego - in a bag or in a pocket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Recognizing that word structures are limited is the > beginning of > > > > > > nonduality. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " beginning " cannot apply to nonduality, Anders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, you're fucked again. > > > > > > > > > > thinking is pretty fucked up, don't you think? > > > > > > > > Very few sages, if any, were born with a view of nonduality. > Even > > > > Jesus Christ struggled with his ego in the desert. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > sure, man. > > > > > > but you know what - in the desert, Jesus was alone with himself. > > > > > > and i bet he wasn't spinning endless theories of nonduality to > amuse > > > himself with. > > > > > > > > > you say that thinking is not enough. > > > > > > ask yourself - when you say it, do you really see it, or are you > just > > > quoting somebody? > > > > > > > > > " Vicarious existence is a fucking waste of time. " > > > > > > Axl Rose > > > > Jesus was alone in the destert _with_ his ego, in the Bible pictured > > as Satan. > > > where do you think Jesus kept his ego - in a bag or in a pocket? The ego is conneted to the chakras, where it sits sucking the life-force out of human beings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recognizing that word structures are limited is the > > beginning of > > > > > > > nonduality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " beginning " cannot apply to nonduality, Anders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, you're fucked again. > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking is pretty fucked up, don't you think? > > > > > > > > > > Very few sages, if any, were born with a view of nonduality. > > Even > > > > > Jesus Christ struggled with his ego in the desert. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > sure, man. > > > > > > > > but you know what - in the desert, Jesus was alone with himself. > > > > > > > > and i bet he wasn't spinning endless theories of nonduality to > > amuse > > > > himself with. > > > > > > > > > > > > you say that thinking is not enough. > > > > > > > > ask yourself - when you say it, do you really see it, or are you > > just > > > > quoting somebody? > > > > > > > > > > > > " Vicarious existence is a fucking waste of time. " > > > > > > > > Axl Rose > > > > > > Jesus was alone in the destert _with_ his ego, in the Bible pictured > > > as Satan. > > > > > > where do you think Jesus kept his ego - in a bag or in a pocket? > > The ego is conneted to the chakras, where it sits sucking the > life-force out of human beings. oh shit, the chakras are here! i'm outa here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 devi: the beginning of non-duality is realizing that you are not > separated > > from God...not two! > > dabo: yeah, sure... > > I AM GOD. > > is there more megalomaniacal bullshit than that? devi: a megalomanic is quiet different from a self-realzied being.. devi: you have no idea, when i use the word God, how i mean it. right away you jump to some childish conclusion...find out what reality is....and you'll see the difference between megalomania and the realization of the Supreme....*which by the way is what nizargadatta called God.... > > nonduality has to be the knowing that you are not separate from > ANYTHING. devi: now your a bit closer to what God really is > > and my guess is, it's more actual and unmistakable than we in our > fuzziness and wishful thinking can imagine. > > i suppose that's why they call it clarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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