Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Arvind -- I AM has been clear to me from the very beginning. There is *this* beyond I AM, the dissolution of the permanent, that you seem unready to be clear on. As you are exactly where and as you are to be, as I am exactly where and as I am to be, there need not be any synchronizing of the minds. Particularly not as each mind reaches its own dissolution now, and even its supposed support in I AM dissolves here, now. As this which the I AM can't touch or subsume, and which is the dissolution of any permanence, even of any I AMness -- That I merely testify to, without having any means to confer or present to you. And so it is, this unspeakable nonqualified unnamed that breathes us, this co-arising interdependency that breathes the being and dissolution of I am, that requires no quality of being, nor being aware, nor can be undone, nor can be unaware -- -- Dan (nothing new below) Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Dan talks: > > =========== > > I'm not debating Arvind. > > I'm simply inviting you to look at the one who > holds the belief and why, rather than repeating > the belief over and over. > > Why the need to believe there is something you have > that is always present, some IS that never changes? > > What do you get out of that? > > Obviously, you get security, you get permanence. > > So, you could, instead of repeatedly saying, " I AM " - > look into the insecurity that wants to hold onto > something permanent and absolute as a means to > have something to count on. > > And then, you might surprise yourself. > > -- Dan > > ========== > > > > > Dear Dan, > > Please let me clarify Again. > > There is a VAST difference between ... I am Arvind, I am Dan, I am > enlightened, I am Jnani, I am deluded and > > ---- I AM --- > > .... > ... > . > > I am this, I am that is ...the identification. Sometimes called ego. > > It requires maintenance. It requires thinking. It dies as soon > as ...think stops. > > But, > > --- I AM --- is known in its pure form for the first time, ONLY after > the thoughts have completely died. > > After that, even if the image, memory and identification of ....I am > this, I am that gets created again for any purpose it is not confused > for anything other than ...a role, a function, an utility, a > temporary arrangement. > > > . > ... > ..... > > --- I AM --- requires No maintenance, ...NO Repeating, No thinking. > > As I have mentioned a earlier, it is a `word`, a `symbol', > a `pointer' used to point to the one that EXISTS ...whether ...NOT > thinking or ...Thinking. > > > .... > ... > . > > I have explained it many time already in this thread but perhaps, it > is Not yet clear to you. To help you out with it, let me do an > Internet search and see if I can find something that might help you > understand it little better. > > > With warm regards and ...love, > ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Arvind -- > > > > I AM has been clear to me from the very beginning. > > subsume, > > and which is the dissolution of any permanence, > > even of any I AMness -- > > > > That I merely testify to, without having any means > > to confer or present to you. > > > > And so it is, this unspeakable nonqualified unnamed > > that breathes us, this co-arising interdependency > > that breathes the being and dissolution of I am, that requires > > no quality of being, nor being aware, nor can be undone, > > nor can be unaware -- > > > > -- Dan > > > The lone.........space traveler........watches the earth turn into a small............blue and white ball....and then disappear from view..........delighting in the vast....emptiness...the pristine silence..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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