Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > > As you might remember, you and me already had this discussion that > the object is the subject ? If you just see the me or the ego as the > subject then you are right that it is impossible that the subject is > the object. > > But the subject is not just a part like the ego it is a totality of > seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling, sensing, etc. > > Let me use an example: > As far as I know you are a musician and you already had to learn when > you are playing music you are hearing it totally different than the > others listening to it. They even can feel bored or even in secret > are praying that you might stop soon. > > What you seemingly are hearing in your music is your subjectivity and > imagine a person being deaf won't hear it at all or a person > suffering from tooth ache will hear it totally different another day > when being free of that ache. You cannot separate the subject from > the object which in my example was music. > > Werner Indeed, Werner, neither subject nor object are capable of arising independently. So, this includes thoughts about an independent subject or object -- such a thought didn't arise independently. A thought arising that subject exists independently from object doesn't make that so, anymore than a thought about a green elephant with wings manufactures a green elephant with wings walking around my living room. " Who by thinking adds one inch to his or her height? " J. of N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > As you might remember, you and me already had this discussion that > > the object is the subject ? If you just see the me or the ego as > the > > subject then you are right that it is impossible that the subject > is > > the object. > > > > But the subject is not just a part like the ego it is a totality > of > > seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling, sensing, etc. > > > > Let me use an example: > > As far as I know you are a musician and you already had to learn > when > > you are playing music you are hearing it totally different than > the > > others listening to it. They even can feel bored or even in secret > > are praying that you might stop soon. > > > > What you seemingly are hearing in your music is your subjectivity > and > > imagine a person being deaf won't hear it at all or a person > > suffering from tooth ache will hear it totally different another > day > > when being free of that ache. You cannot separate the subject from > > the object which in my example was music. > > > > Werner > > Indeed, Werner, neither subject nor object are capable of arising > independently. > > So, this includes thoughts about an independent subject or > object -- such a thought didn't arise independently. > > A thought arising that subject exists independently from > object doesn't make that so, anymore than a thought > about a green elephant with wings manufactures a green > elephant with wings walking around my living room. > > " Who by thinking adds one inch to his or her height? " > J. of N. I heard about a sumo wrestler who had a plastic surgery that made his head a bit taller by a silicon implant. The reason for this was to be able to take part in wrestling competitions, because they had a rule for minimum height of participating wrestlers. Surely he must have been thinking and making a decision to have this implant. So to answer Jesus' question: this sumo wrestler could add a few inches to his height by thinking. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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