Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Disciple: How is one to realize the Self? Maharshi: Whose Self? Find out. D. I don't know how. M. Just think over the question. WHO is it that says " I Don't Know? " WHO is the 'I' in your statement? What Is NOT Known? ..... D: However much I may try, I do not seem to catch the 'I'. It is not even clearly discernible. M: WHO is it that say that the 'I' is not discernible? Are there TWO 'I's in you that one is not discernible by the other? .... Q: I meditate Neti-Neti [ not this-not this ]. A: No - that is not meditation. Find the source. You must reach the source without fail. The false 'I' will disappear and the real 'I' will be realised. The Former CANNOT exist apart from the Latter. There is now wrong identification of the Self with the body, senses, etc. You proceed to discard these,and this is neti. This can be done ONLY by holding to the one which cannot be discarded. That is 'iti' [that which is]. ..... Q: It is difficult to follow. I understand the theory. But what is the practice? A: The other methods are meant for those who cannot take to the investigation of the Self. Even to repeat Aham Brahmasmi or think of it, a doer is necessary. Who Is It? It Is 'I'. BE THAT 'I'. It is the direct method. The other methods also will ultimately lead everyone to this method of the investigation of the Self. Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Disciple: How is one to realize the Self? > Maharshi: Whose Self? Find out. > > > D. I don't know how. > M. Just think over the question. WHO is it that says " I Don't Know? " WHO is the 'I' in your statement? What Is NOT Known? > > > > .... > > > D: However much I may try, I do not seem to catch the 'I'. It is not even clearly discernible. > > M: WHO is it that say that the 'I' is not discernible? > > Are there TWO 'I's in you that one is not discernible by the other? > > > > ... > > > > Q: I meditate Neti-Neti [ not this-not this ]. > > A: No - that is not meditation. Find the source. You must reach the source without fail. > > The false 'I' will disappear and the real 'I' will be realised. > The Former CANNOT exist apart from the Latter. > > There is now wrong identification of the Self with the body, senses, etc. You proceed to discard these,and this is neti. > > This can be done ONLY by holding to the one which cannot be > discarded. That is 'iti' [that which is]. > > > > .... > > > > Q: It is difficult to follow. I understand the theory. But what is the practice? > > A: The other methods are meant for those who cannot take to the investigation of the Self. > > Even to repeat Aham Brahmasmi or think of it, a doer is necessary. > > > Who Is It? It Is 'I'. > > > > BE THAT 'I'. > > > > It is the direct method. The other methods > also will ultimately lead everyone to this method of the investigation of the Self. > > Ramana's question: What is NOT Known? I find interesting. For example, what is the value of Microsoft stocks 2:02 PM western U.S. time tomorrow? Maybe no one really knows. But the future value of Microsoft is just a hypothetical question. That question itself is Known. The mind sees uncertainty where there is none. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> > wrote: > > > > Disciple: How is one to realize the Self? > > Maharshi: Whose Self? Find out. > > > > > > D. I don't know how. > > M. Just think over the question. WHO is it that says " I Don't Know? " > WHO is the 'I' in your statement? What Is NOT Known? > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > D: However much I may try, I do not seem to catch the 'I'. It is not > even clearly discernible. > > > > M: WHO is it that say that the 'I' is not discernible? > > > > Are there TWO 'I's in you that one is not discernible by the other? > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Q: I meditate Neti-Neti [ not this-not this ]. > > > > A: No - that is not meditation. Find the source. You must reach the > source without fail. > > > > The false 'I' will disappear and the real 'I' will be realised. > > The Former CANNOT exist apart from the Latter. > > > > There is now wrong identification of the Self with the body, senses, > etc. You proceed to discard these,and this is neti. > > > > This can be done ONLY by holding to the one which cannot be > > discarded. That is 'iti' [that which is]. > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > Q: It is difficult to follow. I understand the theory. But what is > the practice? > > > > A: The other methods are meant for those who cannot take to the > investigation of the Self. > > > > Even to repeat Aham Brahmasmi or think of it, a doer is necessary. > > > > > > Who Is It? It Is 'I'. > > > > > > > > BE THAT 'I'. > > > > > > > > It is the direct method. The other methods > > also will ultimately lead everyone to this method of the > investigation of the Self. > > > > > > Ramana's question: What is NOT Known? I find interesting. For example, > what is the value of Microsoft stocks 2:02 PM western U.S. time > tomorrow? Maybe no one really knows. But the future value of Microsoft > is just a hypothetical question. That question itself is Known. The > mind sees uncertainty where there is none. > > /AL Yes, What is....is never the " problem " . The problem exists only within the hypothetical future. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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