Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: >You're making the duality, the split, so it seems real to you. true. >There is no actual division between " material " and " spiritual " and >no need to maintain such a division to function in day >to day life quite adequately. true. >>But such theories are useless, they lead nowhere, in reasoning. >Ah, you want to get somewhere. >From the dual to the nondual perhaps? no, no. I just meant " lead nowhere " , in a conversation. >It may be a loooooong journey, since it's imaginary. haha, yes... >>And I wonder why >>you want to discuss them on a Nisargadatta board? >Ah, so you are going to moderate the board now? No, it really was just a question out of curiosity. >You must be qualified, since you know which theories >will get me somewhere. Oh, no, I am not :-) >Do you enjoy wonderment? To me, it's close to openness. Yes, well said. I just cant help but wondering. >The fruits of laziness are to repeat what is known. Ha! Yes. Or the fruit falls into the mouth of the lazy man, by itself. >Directly being aware of/as truth has nothing at all to do with >applying words someone else said. You are right. I just thought those words were nicely put. >So, I hope you can let go of that notion, along with everything >else, including your letting go, and your notion that you >have no free will. You lack nothing. >Free will and determinacy simply have >nothing to act on here, so neither apply, either to be >asserted or negated! I will think about it. I just thought, " letting go " could be seen as a state, instead of as an act of a subject towards objects. >Good talkin' with ya, Stefan. you are welcome S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > >Duality is merely conventions of thought, speech, memory, > >and emotional reaction. > > No, duality is the basics of the material world, as perceived by > material senses. Those who are not able to function accordingly mostly > end up in the madhouse. You're making the duality, the split, so it seems real to you. There is no actual division between " material " and " spiritual " and no need to maintain such a division to function in day to day life quite adequately. > This does not mean that duality is real, of course it is a concept. > > But such theories are useless, they lead nowhere. Ah, you want to get somewhere. From the dual to the nondual perhaps? It may be a loooooong journey, since it's imaginary. And I wonder why > you want to discuss them on a Nisargadatta board? Ah, so you are going to moderate the board now? You must be qualified, since you know which theories will get me somewhere. > Not that I am > offended, just wondering. Do you enjoy wonderment? To me, it's close to openness. Moreover, I am not sure what you want to > discuss at all. Or do you merely want to challange me? Dont try it, I > am a lazy man... The fruits of laziness are to repeat what is known. > >With regards to what can't be said in language -- well, that > >has never been, and never will be said in language. > >It is understood without reliance on language, memory, > >predetermined emotional reactions, or social conventionalities. > > Nisargadatta in " I am that " §20 > " Whatever you may say will be both true and false. Words do not reach > beyond the mind. " > > and later > > " On the verbal level everything is relative. Absolutes should be > experienced, not discussed. " > > Experienced, do you get what he means? Experienced, not discussed... > > S (letting go) Directly being aware of/as truth has nothing at all to do with applying words someone else said. So, I hope you can let go of that notion, along with everything else, including your letting go, and your notion that you have no free will. You lack nothing. Free will and determinacy simply have nothing to act on here, so neither apply, either to be asserted or negated! Good talkin' with ya, Stefan. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: >You're making the duality, the split, so it seems real to you. true. >There is no actual division between " material " and " spiritual " and >no need to maintain such a division to function in day >to day life quite adequately. true. >>But such theories are useless, they lead nowhere, in reasoning. >Ah, you want to get somewhere. >From the dual to the nondual perhaps? no, no. I just meant " lead nowhere " , in a conversation. >It may be a loooooong journey, since it's imaginary. haha, yes... >>And I wonder why >>you want to discuss them on a Nisargadatta board? >Ah, so you are going to moderate the board now? No, it really was just a question out of curiosity. >You must be qualified, since you know which theories >will get me somewhere. Oh, no, I am not :-) >Do you enjoy wonderment? To me, it's close to openness. Yes, well said. I just cant help but wondering. >The fruits of laziness are to repeat what is known. Ha! Yes. Or the fruit falls into the mouth of the lazy man, by itself. >Directly being aware of/as truth has nothing at all to do with >applying words someone else said. You are right. I just thought those words were nicely put. >So, I hope you can let go of that notion, along with everything >else, including your letting go, and your notion that you >have no free will. You lack nothing. >Free will and determinacy simply have >nothing to act on here, so neither apply, either to be >asserted or negated! I will think about it. I just thought, " letting go " could be seen as a state, instead of as an act of a subject towards objects. >Good talkin' with ya, Stefan. you are welcome S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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